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Today, I have with me Jessica Tapia and she is a public school teacher. For six years, she's been a public school teacher. She has her master's degree in education. She has experienced a challenging upbringing to say the least, she is a woman that I would think people would wanna emulate and get behind in support because she's a success story. She has taken what we would say in biblical terms ashes and has turned them into beauty. Her life matters. Her faith matters. She's a woman of faith, and she has taken a stand. And she's done that in the public school system, but that has become unacceptable. And so she has recently lost her job as a public school teacher for her faith in California. But her story is not limited to California. This is happening in school districts all across the United States. So you need to tune in, you need to give extra attention because I do believe that you're going to derive courage from her testimony. And you might even get some direction as to what you should do mom and dad or what you should do principal or teacher regarding the dynamics of what's happening with this assault on our public school system.
So, Jessica, welcome. Thank you. It's an honor to have you here and So just tell us about yourself. I mean, I I I mentioned a few things, but let us know who you are and we'll talk about what's happening And then really, frankly, what you're gonna be doing about it? Yes. Well, first of all, thank you for having me. I told my husband immediately after I was fired. And I I put a little post out on my Instagram to start sharing with the world. And then I started receiving the media requests and I looked at him and I was like, the first thing I wanna do is talk to my pastor. Oh. So I've done a few other interviews, but I'm so happy to finally be sitting with you.
So who I am? I'm obviously a follower of Christ. I'm a wife and a mother of three. I went to California Baptist University, got a couple degrees there, my teaching credential, which is so interesting to me looking back now that I I went to a private Christian college to receive my teaching credential, and then now I'm in this position where as a Christian public school teacher, I've been removed from my position for standing in in the truth of of the Lord and of the Bible. So that's interesting to me, but everything for a reason, I'm I I truly have peace even though this is like a lot of people look at this and they're so sorry for me. And I I wanna tell people don't be. I really believe that like God is doing something with this. And I'm not sorry. I don't want you to be sorry. I want you to just come alongside me and so many have and just you know, stand up and together, like, let's make change because we all see and know that it needs to happen. We truly are the majority. We just can't be silent anymore. That's so true. So so true.
So again, how long have you been a teacher? So six years and this whole thing went down at the very end of my six year teaching literally two days before summer vacation. So tell us about Tell us about what in what I guess what I'm asking, what's the day in the life of a public school teacher? Walk us through that. For those of us who don't know, What will I encounter as a public school teacher for the year? What am I gonna be facing? In in the system?
So I this this past year, I had just moved to the high school level. Actually, I'd moved to the high school that I attended and that I met my husband at in the high school where I was very, very influenced by my coaches. One of my coaches actually invited me to her bible study she is now my mother-in-law. Oh my god. So a lot of history there -- Yeah. -- it was incredible to go back. And hopefully, you know, have that same influence on on my students that my coaches and teachers had on me. And but it's different. It was different going back just dark and heavy.
It's one of those things where you just walk on campus and you feel the culture. As a Christian, you could feel. We as believers, we know that he's walking into a a store or a city -- Mhmm. -- or wherever you can sense that there's something up. Right. And so that's the the sense, but to be more I guess, descriptive just you you compare to what you know and what you've been through. So when I was there as, you know, a student For example, you know, dress code. You know, a girl wouldn't dare to wear a spaghetti strap. BUT NOW I'M WALKING AROUND AND THERE'S STUDENTS IN WHAT LOOK TO BE BRAS. Andrew: ACTUALLY Yes. We've seen that. Mhmm. And you are correct. And And it's and it seems that no one's saying anything. So then you don't feel that you can say anything and we're all just going along with it and it's just getting worse. So it was definitely not what I things have gotten to a point, I think, culturally and morally, at least speaking, for the school that I was at, to where I didn't feel like I could even teach anymore. I didn't feel like the students were even wanting me to teach or open to me teaching they were just like in their own world. So they would so look, I mean, I'm old enough to be your your dad.
When I was in school, Attention was demanded. If you didn't pay attention, you paid the price. You learned or you repeated a a class until you got it right. You weren't gonna advance to the next grad and to you until you got it down. There was no just go with the flow thing. My goodness, back in my day, we actually got spanked in school.
And so what I'm saying is this, people, oh, how could that happen? That's terrible. I'm not gonna get into that part of it. I'm not sure at the time I agreed with it. But the point was we were producing people who were way smarter and disciplined. Disciplined. In all areas, by the way. It's not just It's not just can you read the book? It's do you have over the school year did you develop character? So It's my understanding that in the public school system, there's a a great level of of disrespect. I don't have to. I don't need to do this. What's this for you're you you know, who are you to tell me? And, yeah, the the immorality The attack that has been levied against you, walk us through that, why Why did they have an issue? And what have they said to you? How did they communicate that to you? Yeah.
So it all started, like I said, literally a couple days before summer break of last year. So at the end of May of last year, I noticed that students had found me on social media because I was getting some really awful comments and It didn't normally get comments like that. From students or from who, you don't know. I didn't know at first when I read the comments. I And this is your private page. It's my Instagram page. I had recently made it public to share about a business that I had started and to share with it's not the school. No. It it doesn't even say that I'm a teacher on there. It doesn't say where I teach. It's my private personal where I share my beliefs, my opinions. And my Christian religion. Uh-huh.
Students decided to look me up for whatever reason. I don't know. Maybe they were looking me up to see my kids that I talk about to see my horse that I talk about. I don't know, but they found something they didn't like. Specifically, it was a video I was out shopping one day and just seeing all of the the pride clothing and -- True. -- this time I was very shocked to find that they're now making the stuff for toddlers and babies. Yes. Like, twelve month -- Yep. -- and So I was sharing that, you know, bringing awareness of that to to other moms. And specifically, like, in my option said, I I think this is wrong. A three year old cannot wrap their mind around what pride is. Why are we making -- Yep. Completely normal comments because this is America, and you have your first amendment rights. To sharing my opinion in order to sharing my opinion and Well, the right students found that and they airdrop that video across campus and, of course, made it into phobic thing and made it into a hate thing.
And I was just blocking and deleting as I was receiving comments from students because I don't you know, I'm a teacher. I I don't want them on my page and they shouldn't be there. And I didn't want any trouble. Well, after I had deleted one of the comments, they came back and said too late, we've sent this into the district. So this is intimidation and bullying now.
So the the woke world that says bullying is terrible. Their masters at bullying and the woke world that says, don't criticize me, you have to accept me. They can't they can't accept anybody that's outside of their lane. And their lane is very, very petite or very narrow. And I'll just throw this in there. It's because they're extremely fragile. They bent they break when they bend. They they have no ability to cope. And eventually, they're gonna have to go into the real world, which they will not make it. They they will fail. Because they haven't learned how to debate. They haven't learned how to cope. They they are the same equivalency to what you used to see at ToysRUs when they were in business of a of a three year old or a five year old screaming and slapping their mother in the toy aisle because they wanted that toy and mommy said no.
And so The remarkable thing is that you're exercising your first amendment constitutional rights and everything about what you're doing is private, but they went and made it a public thing in the sense that you can't do this. How dare you? Right. As a as a teacher, I should not have stated my opinions. Isn't that amazing? So as a t on your private page, you are a mom, you are a an equestrian gal with the horse, and you live in your life, and they they insert. What they're imposing upon you then is these are the rules of the school or the administration. And we're imposing that upon your your private social media platform. Twenty four seven. Not just when you're at work. We are holding you to this at all times if you're gonna be at school. So do other teachers know this is going on? Yes. Yes. They are they're coming aware of it because of my story getting out. Good. So after those videos and also several posts, this is what This is what really confirmed that this is spiritual warfare for me. Totally facing spiritual warfare like I've never faced it.
Before at least to my recognition was when I was brought into the school district for the first meeting and they presented me with what students had found on the various things on social media they sent into the district. At the back of this packet of papers, which had several allegations so essentially students found things they didn't like on my social media and then use those to craft allegations against me as a teacher. A couple of them being that I broadcast sermons to my classes. And I've just looked at the district personnel and I was like, I'm gonna be so honest with you. This is the only thing I can think of that this allegation would be made upon.
I'm a PE teacher on Mondays. We go to the track and they have a mile to do and that's the one day I let them listen to a podcast or music of their choosing and I do the same, but I don't put in headphones like they do because I need to be vigilant. That's right. But I put on Oh, no. Or worship music or, you know, something of my choosing. You don't wanna hear what they put on. The students. Oh, exactly. And it's just loud enough in my pocket. It's not blaring. It's not being broadcast. It's just loud enough so I can hear it as I walk walk around and walk to my students. And so interesting too, because I've had several students as they walk by comment, like, oh, I love that song or what church do you go to? And it's, you know, kind of been great to strike up conversation with some of my students.
But then all of a sudden, the students found my social media and found my other opinions and beliefs and went to work crafting allegations against me. Yeah. And, anyways, what I was starting to get out at the back of that packet was printouts of screenshots the students sent into the district. Several of them were bible verses I posted on my Instagram, and I'm just thinking, It's a Are you using a Bible verses to back like these allegations against me? Yeah. Because the bible is so dangerous and evil, you know. Yes. Yes. And how could we have such a thing? You know it's amazing to me what you're describing? And it's sad because when I'm gonna say it, the young the young people are not gonna understand what I'm gonna say because they've never been taught.
Is you are literally describing these kids as being brown shirts. These are the brown shirts of ADELF Hitler'S Nazi REGIME, BROWN SHURCH FOR CHILDREN WHO WERE TOT BY THE SYSTEM TO TURN PEOPLE IN. WELL, they're called brown shirts. So I'm just gonna call them brown shirts. Normally, these kids would normally be more concerned about their acne or their acne? That was me. Or are they going to pass? Are they are they I'm not gonna make the team. Mhmm.
What is really bizarre to what you're saying is, these are kids who are little police officers. Which makes them brown shirts, that I I can't imagine that happening unless What happened to the brown shirts of the forties, nineteen forties? They were groomed by adults. They were told so to speak, I'm exaggerating right now, but we'll give you a doughnut or we'll give you a candy or a piece of chocolate. If you tell us, if you hear people saying these things, and they turn people in. And so It's amazing because we're living in this this moment. Mhmm.
So the only way to stop this, you've probably seen this on on the on the PE filled or in the classrooms, but the only way to stop what we're talking about is for good people to punch back. And you say, I can't believe a pastor just said that. Well, you need to get used to it because in first Corinthians ten six I'm sorry. Second Corinthians ten six, the bible tells us that by our obedience to Christ, we punish disobedience. Right. Which means we're to do the right thing. Mhmm. And if that right thing causes evil to be exposed, that's the whole point. Yeah.
So what what I'm what I wanna say about Jessica is that she's courageous, she's strong, she knows not only her biblical calling, She's exposing evil, but she's also exercising her first amendment rights. In America, she has that right to do exactly what she's doing. Technically, technically, those brown shirt little punks do not have the right to do what they're doing. They've been groomed by a social structure that is a form of communism, communism. And that's what's happening. And so teachers, you need to stand up. You need to do what Jessica's doing. In fact, Jessica, what are you doing? Yes.
So after that first meeting that I kind of described with the allegations and the Bible verse pronounced and and all of that. I responded to all of those vocally, and then they took some time to process what I voiced based on the allegations and then essentially decided what they were gonna do with me, called me in for a second meeting, and basically told me, I'm lucky to still have a job. What I had done was so serious and wrong. Oh, because that's intimidation. They keep going. And it was it felt really awful to hear that from these district personnel because before all this, they respected me. They adored me. I've done so much for the district. I I was a student there, straight a student there, athlete, lifeguard, sub coach, all the things.
But because of this one finding, it's it was like I saw their whole vision of me just flip and it's like a mask switched on there. Yeah. And it was instantly, like, even if you are calling me back, I don't I wouldn't even feel comfortable coming back. You clearly, like, don't like me anymore. Yeah. It's not so well, I'm sorry to put words in your mouth, but if I were your attorney, for example, I would say something to the effect of if they invited you back, they they previously already made it clear that your views are not welcome.
Mhmm. And what we are as human beings is our views. Mhmm. And so the environment is not a free environment. Hi, Jessica. Welcome back, but you're not free. Right. Hi. Welcome back.
But you cannot express your personal views -- Yeah. -- and you cannot be an American. You cannot exercise the constitution. And you've gotta be woke -- Mhmm. -- if you wanna keep your job. So all of these things are actually illegal -- Mhmm. -- for that to be imposed upon you.
But Yes. And that's exactly what happened in the second meeting. They said I was lucky to have my job back. I was barely allowed to come back. Here are the directives you need to follow, and we're gonna be watching you closely for forty five days for change of behavior. And not right away, change of behavior. I've behaved the same way for six years of teaching. I have nothing to change, so you're not gonna find any change of behavior there. And then the directives were affirmation for me of what I was already feeling in my soul about the whole situation. So first, a directive that I knew, well, I can't and won't do that is I need to refer to students by their preferred pronoun and gender. And in the meeting, I wasn't voicing to them. Nope. Not doing that. Nope. I was just internalizing all of it -- Yeah. -- as they spoke their directives over me for returning that Monday.
The second allegation was I was to refrain from speaking to students about God or the Bible. That's illegal? Not really hurt my soul. So I'm sorry. Keep interrupting you, but it's because I find your this is incredibly fascinating. So you are to hold to the social construct that we are inventing. You will do as we say. And you should be so lucky that we're gonna be so nice to you -- Mhmm. -- to allow you to come back. Mhmm. But we are gonna dictate your life. And we are going to scrub this god thing out of your life when Most people don't even realize that the public school system was founded by three guys One of them happened to be a guy by the name of Thomas Jefferson.
Benjamin Rush was was another one. And I think John Adams is in there, but whoever the guys is a real big hitter, and their founding of the public school system was based on this. There are people homeschooling their kids in Colonial America, and some of them are not teaching them the bible. So we're gonna create the public school system. And the bible will be the preeminent textbook. Mhmm. As well as the McGuffy reader, these will be the foundations of the public school system because some kids are not getting a biblical worldview. That's Thomas Jefferson, friends, go look that up. And now our system has divorced itself from god. And you are in this machine that is godless.
And what's interesting about what they're telling you to do they're actually doing what they claim nobody's allowed to do. And that is, you gotta stay out of politics. You gotta stay out of politics. What they're doing is pure politics. Okay? And their political agenda is you will submit, which is actually tyrannical. And so you were fired? Yes.
So after receiving those directives, so those were the the two that I previously voiced. Those were the two instantly, like, inside I knew. I'm I'm not complying with those. And they also vocally in that second meeting with the presentation of directives, vocally told me that I had to lie to parents if a student came to me with a preferred gender or pronoun, that info had to be withheld from parents. For the sake of the students privacy. And I was so taken back by that that I I looked at the assistant superintendent in the eyes. And I said, are you asking me to lie to parents? And they said, yes. It's the law. It's for the students of privacy. So it's a subversion of parental authority. They told you to And I said, we are talking about the well-being information starting the well-being of a child.
And they said, yeah, exactly. You don't you don't understand there's some students where when their parents find out, they kick them out of the house? It's none of first of all, that may or may not be true. I have no input on that. I have no knowledge of that. But That's not their concern. Their concern is math. Right? Mhmm. Exactly. Geography. Let's leave home at home. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So I'm assuming now our system and by the way, those of you, listen, you think this is a California issue, it's a national issue. Somebody just told me last night, oh, we're moving to we're moving to Tennessee. We're we're moving to Nashville. We're we don't have these we're getting out of California. We're moving Nashville. And it was so bizarre because I told the guy I said, well, that's funny about four days ago. I just talked to somebody who moved to Nashville, and they were talking about how insanely woke their school system is. And it was worse than California. So the point is this, it's a national. This is a national battle. And by the way, we wanna make this a national battle. We want Jessica to be in curtishment to you.
The bible tells us in in Joshua chapter one, God tells Joshua over and over again. In just one chapter Be strong in a good courage. Do not be afraid for I'm with you wherever you go. He keeps telling Joshua that. Joshua the great First, general of the Israeli forces. God has to keep telling them. Be strong and have good courage. They'll be afraid. Why? Because Joshua was prone to be discouraged and to be afraid? God doesn't waste his breath.
And so all of you who are in the public school system, we've got to figure out unless there's maybe there's something out there right now forming, but there's gotta be some form of an alliance. That maybe Jessica can invent and and take it national. Right? Take it nationally to have it be like, you know, almost the the the National School Teachers Reporting Center, where you bring your Jessica story And let's get these incredible agencies that will represent you in court for free. There's there's the Pacific Justice Institute. There's advocates for faith and freedom. There's the alliance for for defending Alliance defending Freedom Fund. There's there's Liberty Council. There's so many that are waiting to hear.
But listen, we're gonna lose our system to what I was alluding to early, and I didn't finish this, I guess, is You're gonna be bullied until you stand up to the bully. This is human psychology. A bully will push a kid around all school year long until that kid. We've all watched movies like this. Emily, Sanlot, movies like this where the kid finally gets fed up and punches the bully in the nose. And then from that time on, the bully leaves the guy alone. Every boy knows this by the way. Every every first grade boy knows that you punch the bully in the nose, and then the rest of the school year is fine. Well, there's a lot of people now who are school teachers and or administrators that are just nothing but overgrown bullies. And they're intimidating. You know you have a bully on your hands when they threaten and intimidate you.
In our nation right now, you can punch them back by legal means. If you're a Christian, get friends praying, read your bible, read the book of Joshua, read the book of proverbs, at the same time, get on the phone and get a very very strong attorney. And what you do is you do what Paul the Apostle did. You exercise your Roman rights. Paul exercised his Roman rights when he as a Roman citizen was attacked, he said, I appeal to Caesar. Only a Roman citizen could do that. And listen, the authorities inaccessorya, they were bound to then file documents sending Paul to Rome. They had to. That was the law. Paul used the law of the Roman Empire to advance his cause and Paul went to Rome.
And you need to do the same thing. You need to know, hey, wait a minute. I'm a school teacher. This is my life. This is my love. I'm being told that I cannot have a Bible on my desk. Oh, yeah, you can. It's your constitutional right. They're threatening to sue me or they just fired me or they're telling me this or they're telling me that there needs to be some form of place for you to go to. Yeah. So this is so vitally important. We need to I'm so sorry. We need to wrap this up. But tell us where you're at. What are you doing now? Tell us about going forward and what you hope to see happen. Yeah. So just really quick before that.
The third meeting was after I took three months of stress leave. To figure out what I was gonna do next regarding the directives, new in my heart and soul, I wasn't gonna comply with several of them. Do I resign or do I as you stated, you know, stand up to the beast. Yep. And I actually, for most of the months, was planning to resign, had how of a resignation letter written and for some reason could never get around to finishing it. And it was I was so stressed out one day and I was telling my mother-in-law I just I need to finish this letter. Like, I have three little ones, so I was never able to sit down and type. And she just was like, just there's probably a reason that you haven't been able to finish it just trust. And then maybe I I just started praying and then maybe a day or two after that had divine appointment of a phone call with a couple in Washington that I had only connected with through Instagram, got very close to the wife because of her faith.
And they spoke over me. I really wanna say prophesied over me. And they they gave me the answer that I was praying for asking God, do I resign or do I vocalize to the district that I won't comply with these things? I'm ready to come back to work, but here's what I won't do. And they said, don't resign. You keep standing up.
To resign would have been to quit. And sad to say there's been a lot of really good people that I know that they didn't come and ask, they didn't come and get prayer, they came and told me, I quit. And I just kind of cringe when I hear that because I love what Winston Churchill said. He said it's always too soon to quit. You know? And so, we're so proud of you.
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Is there a do you have a how do people reach out to you? Is is it know it's all happening so fast. Are you ready for that? Do you have that? On my Instagram is where I keep everyone up to date. Yeah. It's my Instagram name is just underscore sayin. Can you spell it? So it's j e s s underscore s a y and and and just saying. Okay. We'll make sure that that's that appears and people get this. Really quick.
You have been bombarded with media. You I'm not exactly sure when this podcast is gonna drop, but probably by that time you will have been on numerous news and radio interviews and all. One of them will be Tucker Carlson. Yes. That's set for the twenty seventh. I believe that's Monday. Twenty seventh of February. This is huge because he has the largest viewing audience. So just think about that millions of people are going to hear this and I pray I pray that out of the millions that there's at least a million or five hundred thousand school teachers that are going to say, you know what? Wow. I need to defend what I love And here's the here's the thing.
When good people abandon the public square or when good people just shut down, evil fills that void. Evil rushes in. It's just the way evil works. When light goes out, darkness comes. If you notice that, When you turn off your light and your room, darkness comes. It isn't amazing when you turn the light switch on. Where does darkness darkness go? I mean, think about it because light itself is a physical structure. I mean, these are photons that actually fill up a room. Where did darkness go? And by you standing, you are dispelling the darkness.
And I wanna talk to every Christian or at least good teacher that's out there. You have to be a Christian to be a good teacher. If you love the kids and you love teaching, And this is going on to you or or it will happen to you. You need to stand. You need to stand because these are the days. Evil advances like the thug on the on the campus who is pushing people around. And we have got to figure out as god honoring bible believing, submitted, committed Christians, how to exercise as Paul did his freedoms for the cause of Christ.
And so I want everyone to be praying for Jessica, please. This is a prayer request. That you would pray for her, that you would stay and in tune with what's happening and and follow. We'll do a follow-up podcast as time progresses, but I just really want to just pray that your legal counsel is absolutely line hearted. Mhmm. Your legal counsel must be like a dog on a bone, so as they say, relentless. And so we we pray for your legal counsel. We pray for you.
We pray for these poor kids who are being manipulated by, frankly, people that I have just about zero respect for. These these people who will manipulate kids to spy and to promote their godless agenda. There should be shame written all over them. But, you know, the way that we must combat this is to stand in the truth and to exercise our freedoms while we have them. And so we're impressed.
And I I just I'm so grateful for you, and I just know that God is gonna use this. He will never waste the opportunity to glorify his name through a yielded child of his. And that's who you are We love you. We're with you. And so I am just absolutely so so grateful. So you guys stay tuned. This has been powerful. My goodness. I just this is no pun intended, but this is real life, what Jessica is talking about, and and it's it's amazing. And so It's it's time for you and I to live out what it is that we believe in. And it is time for real life. And it's exactly what Jessica's doing.
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