Federal Insider Speaks Out

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Real Life presents the Jack Hibbs Podcast with intention and boldness to proclaim truth, equip the saints and impact our culture.

00:09 - Speaker 2
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01:04 - Speaker 3
Hedy Miramadi has a national security career spanning over two decades, serving as a senior advisor to FBI headquarters, a political officer in the US Embassy in Afghanistan and a visiting scholar to some of Washington DC's most prominent think tanks. Miramadi also serves as general counsel to a healthcare services enterprise, generating over $3 million in annualgraph, while working as a contractor for the Federal Bureau of Investigation, fbi, from 2015 to 2017. This time, she provided subject matter expertise to develop a national FBI program aimed at preventing terrorism, particularly for individuals with social-emotional disturbances, and collaborated with field agents, intelligence analysts and local law enforcement to implement a pilot program across 10 FBI field offices. As the founder, president and general counsel of the World Organization for Resource Development and Education, miramadi transformed the organization from its inception into a trusted federal partner in terrorism and violence prevention. Her leadership resulted in securing millions of dollars in US government grants to create the first evidence-based coalition of over 300 public and private partners focused on public safety and terrorism prevention, a model replicated in several US jurisdictions. She developed training content and provided in-person instruction to over 1,000 law enforcement officers, public health workers and community members across more than a dozen jurisdictions, introducing innovative behavioral threat assessment tools and protocols to assess risks of suicidal or homicidal violence. Additionally, she established the first nationally recognized social services agency dedicated to assisting at-risk immigrant families, serving over 100 families.

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Miramadi has briefed senior US officials, including former Vice President Cheney, president Obama, members of Congress and senior leaders of intelligence agencies, such as the Director of National Intelligence and the FBI. She has also testified before the US House of Representatives and Senate on issues related to national security. Her experience extends to influential think tanks, where she served as a visiting fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy's Stein Program on Counterterrorism and Intelligence, authoring policy briefs and organizing forums that included White House officials and law enforcement. At the American Enterprise Institute, she managed programs on political Islam and global security, publishing research and hosting policy forums. In 2004, she served as a senior advisor at the US Embassy in Kabul, afghanistan, where she provided expertise on creating community-based programs to counter Islamist extremist recruitment.

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Islamist extremist recruitment. Miramadi holds a Juris Doctorate from the University of Southern California Gould School of Law and a Bachelor of Arts in History from UCLA. She is a licensed member of the California State Bar, the District of Columbia Bar and the American Bar Association. As founder and president of Resurrect Ministry, she created a non-denominational digital Christian platform to promote spiritual engagement and healing through an online experience. President of Resurrect Ministry, she created a non-denominational digital Christian platform to promote spiritual engagement and healing through an online experience. She also serves on the board of the California Parent Alliance, providing legal counsel to support educational initiatives that protect public school children from harmful ideologies and mandates. Her extensive publication record includes numerous articles and co-authored reports on counterterrorism, community resilience and policy strategies to counter violent extremism, featured in prestigious journals and government reports.

05:16 - Speaker 2
So, Hedy, in light of that introduction that everybody just heard, which was no light thing, God's use in your life has been amazing. In light of your exposure and what you do today, what would you say has been the most powerful?

05:53 - Speaker 4
has been the most powerful, transformative moment of your life since Christ got a hold of you. Oh, there's been a lot, but if I had to consider the one that has been most relevant in light of my professional experience and all the things that I went through, was that the Lord wanted me to see every one of those examples and live all of those experiences because they'd be part of my testimony moving forward I'll never forget. My editor at the Christian Post told me when I was just writing about my conversion experience. She's like will you please draw on your political experience and your national security experience? And I was like, really, why Is that interesting? And she's like Hetty, that's who you are. The Lord wants to use all of it and it occurred to me she was exactly right. So that's been the most transformative is realizing that the Lord wanted all of it.

06:41 - Speaker 2
That's powerful because and I love what you just said, because of the fact of the matter is, uh, God wastes nothing in life. He wastes nothing, Even you know, even the person that has gone through the most difficult things, whatever you can think of. And and I, in a collective sense, I'll say something like you know, if you've had a, a Corrie ten Boone kind of life, where tortured by the Nazis and prison by the Nazis and captured by the Nazis and all this kind of stuff, and then her life turns out to be an incredible witness for Christ, that kind of stuff. There's so much hope in that and we'll get to hope before we, before we end the program.

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But there are people in the national security services or international security services or military services that, uh, there's, they're not being reached, there's just not a podcast or an individual that they feel like they can even listen to or hear from, because you just won't understand. But let's start out with your career. God, knowingly or unknowingly at the time for you, God had you in some amazing places. So what was the first, what was your first gig, so to speak?

07:53 - Speaker 4
My first gig was as an FBI informant, so I was researching Islamic extremism in the mid 90s and they didn't have any internal knowledge about what was going on in the Muslim community at that time, and so I basically was kind of off-site used as an informant to help them, to help educate the FBI on the different groups. Ayman Azawahiri, bin Laden's number one guy, was fundraising in San Francisco, yeah, of course, and so we were recruiting kids. You know they were recruiting kids for Bosnia, to go fight in Bosnia, to fight in Afghanistan. Yeah, right, yeah. So it was most people.

08:31 - Speaker 2
I'm so sorry. No, no problem, I'm so sorry. So this is happening in the US. Yes, while is this before Gulf War? I, this is 1995., oh, 95. Okay, okay, 95. Got it, okay, okay.

08:45 - Speaker 4
Got it Okay. So it's before 9-11, of course, before even the Tanzania bombings, and the reason I got involved in it is because my first entree to Islam was with an extremist mosque and I hated it. I wanted nothing to do with it.

08:56 - Speaker 3
So when.

08:56 - Speaker 4
I became devout, I fell into Sufi Islam, which is a mystical sect, and they were in a knockout drag out war with the extremists. Because what a lot of people don't realize is that before they came to attack the West, they were massacring Sufis all over the world. Because, in order to create the fertile ground for jihadism to lay root, they had to remove the cultural normative Islam.

09:20 - Speaker 1
They had to remove the goofy Islam.

09:25 - Speaker 4
They had to remove all the goofy cultural practices, the ones that were just kind of melded with Hinduism and atheism and other kinds of pagan practices. They had to remove that whole thing in order to plant a new jihadi ideal.

09:39 - Speaker 2
Because they're not fundamental enough, they're not purist enough.

09:42 - Speaker 4
They're not, and the jihadist interpretation of the Quran was very extreme. Most people didn't want to live like that. Most of the women in Iran and in Egypt and Turkey were not covered. They didn't even wear head covers. I have no picture of my grandmother with sleeves. Really, yes, because they were modern. They wanted to just have Islam as it was, similar to the way Judaism is with. You know, we just keep the Sabbath and we have these cultural practices, but that's it.

10:10 - Speaker 2
But you know, we've got the dinner and the engagement and the gala and when the kids get married they put this thing on their head and then it's the same thing, wow.

10:19 - Speaker 4
And they had to destroy that. And so I wanted to investigate how this was happening in the United States. Why would a kid who grew up in the United States want to go get his leg blown off in Bosnia? What would motivate him to do that? And so that's how I started to learn. And it's funny because when I'm out there investigating the FBI, there's these two agents who come on. I was like what are you doing?

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And I said you're doing this on your own or on my own, totally on my own, and they was like what are you doing? So you were doing this on your own, on my own, totally on my own, and they're like what are you doing? Because they saw me everywhere, they saw me the places they were, and they said to me and I said well, what are you doing?

10:53 - Speaker 2
Good answer. Especially now more than ever.

10:56 - Speaker 4
And that literally started me on this trajectory, because they really knew nothing. They had no internet. We had the internet. They only had an intranet, so they had no access to the outside world. Yes, and eventually I ended up moving to DC, and that relationship with the FBI continues. And after the Tanzania bombing, there was a lot of interaction with the State Department because I was considered one of the good Muslims and then after 9-11, I was a rock star because I was doing it before, it was cool, and I ended up going to Afghanistan for President Bush and then when I got back, it was basically just a number of contracts Defense Department, homeland Security, the Department of Justice.

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Basically, how do we defeat radicalization? The most interesting thing, looking back and this is really not only in great part by you opening my eyes, but the Lord really redoing my understanding. The only other person I've heard talk about this is Tucker Carlson, where he's like I used to love my government. I don't know what happened. I don't know when I stopped believing that they were telling me the truth, and so I worked 20 years in every branch of the US government under five presidents and I kept thinking are they just stupid?

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Like, are we doing this on purpose? Are we destroying countries on purpose? And we're like, no, no, no, they're just too dumb or they're secular, they're atheists. They just don't get it. And as this machinery keeps moving, it's too big to shift. People used to say it's like the Titanic it's too big to shift. Sink it, yeah. So basically what we were doing, so after 2005, after the invasion of Iraq, I literally sat in meetings where they were rebuilding Iraq before we invaded. On a sheet of paper like you have with boxes that said OK, ron Johnson, he's going to take Department of Education, sam, he's going to take Department of Energy, like implanting Americans that were going to run these major institutions in Iraq.

13:09 - Speaker 2
Can you pause? Keep your thinking.

13:11 - Speaker 1
Yes.

13:13 - Speaker 2
I sat in my house and I watched the 9-1-1 thing unfold and obviously troubled by that. But then when I began to hear and as far as I know, Hedia, I was the only person in my circle that was thinking this way I was looking at the TV, I was hearing the speeches about what we were going to do and look, evil should be punished. I get that stuff, but there were aspects of Saddam Hussein that you know. It's kind of like we know this bad guy, the evil that you know.

14:03 - Speaker 4
Exactly Is better than the one that you don't.

14:05 - Speaker 2
And years ago. You might remember it. I'm afraid I might ruin his name, but George Sada, he was the George, last name is S-A-D-A. He lives in America now, but he was Saddam Hussein's chief military. Oh okay, he was like the Tariq Aziz or whoever Tariq Aziz, yes, well, on the military side, general George Sada was this guy and he was a Christian and Saddam Hussein tolerated him as a Christian because he so respected George. Point is George Sada, point is this is I became disgusted when I was listening to I don't mean to upset you with your previous boss, but I'm listening to what to me felt like a country bumpkin as president talk about how we are going to make a rocket a democracy, and I'm thinking do you know any history at all in your life? Is there anyone around you, george Bush, that can tell you that this is a nation that, for thousands of years, has been led by a certain way? They're not interested in democracy.

15:25 - Speaker 4
This is not you're thinking like a Westerner, george. There's so many of us. I was shocked. There was so many of us that sat there in those rooms begging them. Did you Begging them not to do this because it was going to fail? The most important reason was they took Sunnis who were in power 300,000, what we call Ba'athists and unemployed them on day one, and then installed a bunch of Shia, thinking that the Shia would be moderate, and me in particular, kept telling why would you think that Iran's next door, don't you understand the Shias of Iraq will unite with the Shias of Iran? And everybody kept saying to me excuse me the expression, but all the white people kept saying no, they won't. They hate each other. And I was like you don't understand the way Islam works.

16:17 - Speaker 2
And we did not understand.

16:19 - Speaker 4
We really didn't. And those 300,000 Baathists turned into ISIS and destroyed all the neighboring regions and they turned into the worst terrorism movement that we've ever seen. That's right, and that still continues till today. Yeah, but we didn't stop there. Yeah, after Iraq, we had all of the revolutions in the Middle East the Middle East uprising, the Arab Spring. Everyone's like, oh glory.

16:41 - Speaker 2
Yeah, which I'm curious. What do you think about this? Oh, glory, yeah, which I'm curious. What do you think about this? It's my chronology in my head when I saw Barack Obama's Cairo speech. It's my opinion that that Cairo speech by Barack Obama gave birth to the Arab Spring. Do you see any connection to that? It sounded like he was saying peace, liberty, freedom. Go, make it happen. And shortly after that, there was these almost what do you want to call them? Instagram, twitter? We'll meet, you know, meet us in the square. It happened in Algeria and Morocco and Egypt.

17:29 - Speaker 4
It's happening everywhere. Would it surprise you to know? Do you see any correlation? Would it surprise you to know? We planned all of those. We spent decades with USAID money and George Soros and Open Society opening those countries. That didn't happen overnight. We literally invested billions of dollars to promote democracy. So that's why I started with 2005,. Because from 2005, all the way up to the 2011 moment, we built the opposition. That's what we do, and when I was in it, I didn't realize that's what we were doing, even though I was involved in almost every project. So I went to go visit Muammar Gaddafi because he was reaching out to the moderates and asking how? But this is before. They kicked him out, right?

18:18 - Speaker 2
Yeah, yes, but this is post. Of course it's post Ronald Reagan's email or airmail that got to his home, Gaddafi.

18:26 - Speaker 4
Yes, the bombing.

18:27 - Speaker 2
This is 2008. So now he was the somewhat quiet Gaddafi.

18:33 - Speaker 4
Yes, and he was trying to come back into the mainstream because they were afraid they were going to kill him.

18:37 - Speaker 2
Yes.

18:38 - Speaker 4
He was reaching out Legit. So he was reaching out to moderates, famous moderates that would help him enter back into the world stage to legitimize himself. And he personally told me I am not an extremist, I hate these jihadists. This is not how I intend to run my country.

18:56 - Speaker 1
It makes total sense.

18:58 - Speaker 4
And then what did we do? We pulled him out. You know, we pulled him out. We destroyed Libya, tunisia, mubarak, all of those countries. And at the time it was this the public version of the story was we wanted democracy to bloom, we wanted these people to be free. If they were free, they wouldn't hate us. And I traveled around the world for the State Department saying, you know, is this working? And you know what? It wasn't working.

19:30 - Speaker 2
You know why.

19:30 - Speaker 4
Because we destroyed their society and we caused mass immigration, mass migration of people. The people my parents came in the mid-60s to the United States. Why? Because my father wanted to be an American, but these people were not coming because they wanted to be Americans. Their countries were destroyed and the State Department was paying refugee resettlement agencies $2,500 a pop to bring them into this country and put them into settlement zones.

19:58 - Speaker 2
Oh boy, I saw that in Europe in person. In the United States we have.

20:04 - Speaker 4
Minnesota's a settlement zone. Why do we have so many Somalis in Minnesota? So true so this mass migration of communities that hate the West. They attribute the destruction of their societies to us.

20:18 - Speaker 1
Yeah.

20:18 - Speaker 4
And so what happens when these societies clash that's what we're seeing in Europe. That's what we're seeing in London, yeah Is that it's gotten to a boiling point where we're forcing these cultures together and they don't want to be together?

20:29 - Speaker 2
They don't want to be together, no way.

20:31 - Speaker 4
I used to travel to London at least four or five times a week. We were funded by the Prevent program that Tony Blair had set up to find the moderates, to empower the moderates, which never worked, by the way.

20:48 - Speaker 2
And I couldn't, as a Muslim with a small head cover could not walk the streets of South Hall, which is a west end of London. Yes, I know I've been to South Hall.

20:52 - Speaker 4
Couldn't walk there without a male escort oh yeah. You know, it was what Steve Emerson in the old days described as no-go zones, and everybody screamed at him yeah, there are literally— yeah, that's what happened to me actually?

21:02 - Speaker 2
Yes, I actually found it by accident. I got out of the tube at a wrong stop Boy, that's scary and I came up and I was in another universe. And boy did they.

21:13 - Speaker 4
Like you're in Pakistan.

21:15 - Speaker 2
Did they make sure I got back in the tube and got?

21:17 - Speaker 4
out. Is that tragic? It was crazy. Is that tragic? Yeah, yeah, and to be fair to Muslim communities, because I don't want to say that it's all their fault, but it's this clash of civilizations that we created, why? That's what the Lord is constantly walking me through why did the West create this? Who in the West create this? Who in?

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the West created this Because it seems like we now, when I see the globalists, this is stuff I didn't know when I was in the government. But now, when I look at the globalist agenda and how the rise of the left and the Islamists align to the left, I realize, ah, this is an alliance to destroy Christianity, christendom.

22:01 - Speaker 2
Yeah, sure.

22:02 - Speaker 4
That the chaos-.

22:03 - Speaker 2
Makes sense.

22:04 - Speaker 4
Allows them to make order with control.

22:07 - Speaker 2
Now, okay, you just hit something. I'm going way back now, 2007,. Studied a lot of Islam for a couple of years, did a couple of meetings with members of the State Department, with George and, I'm sorry, philip Haney.

22:32 - Speaker 4
Philip Haney. I don't think I met him.

22:33 - Speaker 2
Philip Haney, brigitte Gabriel Sure, and we were speaking to some members of Congress, to some members of Congress and, um, and it was. It was remarkable because of the how naive the audience was. It was basically this and I I'm making this up, but not really it was basically the attitude of you know what, once they go to Disneyland and maybe they'll buy a surfboard and get an ice cream cone, they're going to love it here, there's not going to be any problems, and it was absolutely insane. It was like just dangle this thing and they'll be so enamored by it, not knowing that you're looking at. Of course, I don't think the political realm without God can know this. You're talking about a belief system where Islam is a geo.

23:34 - Speaker 4
Yeah, it's a global expansionist movement.

23:36 - Speaker 2
Yeah, it is a geopolitical, theocratic world system, yes, where people will say oh Christians, you Christians, you want to create a Christian world or a Christian country? No, we don't, nope, we can't wait to get out of here. Quite frankly, it's Islam with that agenda that is the concern, because they believe that they are called to create this theocratic, geopolitical realm. But you can't tell that to a politician. They just won't listen to you.

24:09 - Speaker 4
So I kept thinking when I was doing this over and over and over again that they just didn't get it. They were naive, they were not willing to listen. But now I think the motives were a lot more insidious than I thought.

24:22 - Speaker 2
You think they knew?

24:24 - Speaker 4
I think a lot of them knew. But there was a lot of money at stake. The military industrial complex was giving billions of dollars to rebuild these countries and that money was not going to Afghanistan, that money was not going to Libya. It was going to our contractors and NGOs to supposedly build that stuff over there.

24:46 - Speaker 2
So yes, Well.

24:48 - Speaker 4
And so everybody just kept playing dumb. And I mean, I know it personally because I took some of the money and I kept doing the same thing over and over again and I would joke with my friends. I feel like I'm at the Twilight Zone. I have written the same proposal 15 times and I kept getting funding for it.

25:04
Oh wow, that's so government, it's so government. But so the insidious part about it to me is that we were constantly getting it wrong for what ends and I think there are people in a room somewhere who have evil motives and that those evil motives are now coming much more obvious.

25:28 - Speaker 2
Meaning if please correct me if I'm wrong hypothetically you're suggesting that, as bad as everything went and so illogical and insensitive and ignorant to the Islamic world and their culture and what they stand for, and what was? What is that? We, the West, weren't so dumb after all, that there was a madness that was in play, but there was a method to it. And because there was a motive to it, and that there was maybe a handful of people saying, boy, this is going exactly as we had planned, Right To the destruction of the West.

26:11 - Speaker 4
To the destruction of the West.

26:13 - Speaker 2
Which is a Judeo-Christian influence.

26:16 - Speaker 4
The Judeo-Christian West. Yeah, and I was listening to this Polish. I mean, yeah, polish parliamentarian. I don't know if you heard him yes to this Polish. I mean, yeah, polish parliamentarian, I don't know if you heard him yes and why. When you look at that example, why does he not have the problems of the rest of Europe? 0.1%.

26:32 - Speaker 2
Muslim. Talk about it. A lot of our viewers have it. I can't. First of all, I'm sorry, I can't even pronounce the man's name.

26:36 - Speaker 4
Neither can I.

26:37 - Speaker 2
But wow. But it was, he did an interview Google awesome poll speaks about borders.

26:44 - Speaker 4
And I think I wrote his name down Chyszynski Chyszynski. I wrote it down so that I would remember it. So basically he was describing that when this Arab Spring hit actually starting from 2005, and then after, when they created the EU and they were forcing them to take migrants people refugees he refused yeah, he said, I'm not taking not one, poland's not going to do this.

27:07
Poland is not taking one. And they're like you're racist, you're a bigot, how could you not take them? He's like I don't care what you call me, we're not taking them. And so, to this day, their percentage of the Muslim population is 0.1%. That's right. And he says all of the problems that Europe is going, and he pays a penalty of, I think, $35 million a day. And he says we'd pay $350 million a day if we had to. He says because we will not have our culture destroyed. He was right.

27:35 - Speaker 2
He is right.

27:36
And that's the thing. In fact, I just saw him not too long ago on an interview it was an international interview, if I remember this correctly and so they showed all the clips of you name it, you know ABC News, BBC, you know CBC, it doesn't matter. They were saying are you not letting any of these refugees in? And he goes they're not refugees, I'm sorry, immigrants, Are you not? And he began to define to them what's really going on. They were shocked, they didn't like that, and then they tried to label him yes.

28:12 - Speaker 3
And they can't label him.

28:13 - Speaker 2
He refuses to be labeled, which is, by the way, a good thing for people to know. You can refuse to be labeled.

28:19 - Speaker 3
It shocks and the labeler doesn't know all kinds of things and the labeler doesn't know what to do with themselves, because you won't let that land on you.

28:26 - Speaker 2
But he said listen, this is Poland, Fast forward. Now Germany is admitting Poland was right, Hungary, they did a pretty good job. But Hungary says no, no, no, Poland did it better. And this guy he's being I don't know what his pursuits are, I don't know what his political aspirations are, but he's being considered by the polls to possibly run for president or prime minister of their country. They're safe, they're economy, they're GDP, they're healthy, they're strong. Isn't that interesting? Yeah, it is.

29:07 - Speaker 4
And so it's, and it sounds so racist and as a person, with my whole family.

29:12 - Speaker 2
You know, but you know you're not. Here's the thing. That's the thing. I know you're not, you know you're not. I know I'm not, I'm not.

29:19 - Speaker 4
And so how do you explain it at a dinner table To me? What it is is that I had a. So we ran a social working agency that the Justice Department paid for to de-radicalize, to basically understand how radicals have worked, and this was in Maryland. So we had Somali refugees and Afghan refugees. One of the boys said to me from a hospital bed he was mugged. He was by himself 17 years old and said I hate it here. I'd rather go back and fight the Taliban than stay here.

29:51 - Speaker 2
Yeah, I've heard that.

29:52 - Speaker 4
And so we are forcing people who don't want to be here to be here because we think supposedly the argument is because they're going to have a better life here.

30:06 - Speaker 2
They're going to go to Disneyland and surf and eat an ice cream cone.

30:09 - Speaker 4
Right and they're losing their daughters to Christianity. Their families are breaking up, they are poor. They're in ghettos. The drug trade in London is run by Pakistanis.

30:21 - Speaker 2
Yes, oh my goodness, that's exactly right.

30:25 - Speaker 4
And I would tell people I was like wait a minute, since when did Muslims sell drugs? Yeah, but in Europe it's predominantly what they call South Asian gangs. They're trying to be polite and not to call them Muslim gangs.

30:36 - Speaker 2
Yeah.

30:37 - Speaker 4
So we are destroying their culture as much as we're destroying our own. And then you see riots on the streets in England, which I truly believe will happen here eventually if we don't solve this problem.

30:50 - Speaker 2
I mean, look, we don't want to, we're going to end on an uppy.

30:53 - Speaker 4
We absolutely will.

30:56 - Speaker 2
But let's be honest, let's pretend none of these lights are on right now. So at the coffee table with family, who would say man, hedia, jack, you guys are racist, yeah, and I know it's easy for you to say that. But to be honest with you, we think that we should have legitimate, secured, legal borders. Right, and the reason why we think that is because it works. But the most, the biggest reason, is because God says in the Bible he's established borders of nations and he has placed people within those borders. Having said that, we're really thrilled that America is the melting pot of the world and we want immigration. But there's a way of immigration with a level of assimilation. You should learn the language and you should. And why do you say that? Well, actually, when you go back to the early time of America, it's exactly what it was, and we celebrated that. In New York or Chicago, there was the Italian district and if you wanted some great calzone or pasta, you know the Irish went over to that part of the.

32:10 - Speaker 4
And it was beautiful. We have Tarantulas. What we have Tarantulas, which is Los Angeles, down on Westwood Boulevard.

32:17 - Speaker 2
What is that?

32:18 - Speaker 4
It's a little Iran. I didn't know that Largest population of Iranians outside of Iran in the world.

32:24 - Speaker 2
You need to take Lisa and I.

32:26 - Speaker 4
Oh, it's the best we need, and I want to eat there, I want to see this.

32:29 - Speaker 2
Why, I didn't know that, but the point was we celebrated it. It was awesome to go to this part of New York, or, like you said, chinatown or Koreatown in LA, and it's like this is great. They loved America, we love them. There was this beautiful cultural thing, but guess what? They were all learning English and it was beautiful, and now we are so hyper polarized that I don't see any way out unless there's a work of God, because it is not going to come from the government. It doesn't have the means to do such a thing. So what happened, though, with your I mean, I'm assuming, I'm making an assumption here your family, muslim? Yes, they couldn't have been thrilled about what their daughter was starting to do, or when did they find out? Did they find?

33:21 - Speaker 4
out. They found out, yes, they found out. I left Islam. I left Islam before I met Christ. So I left Islam because the religion just. I was at FBI headquarters, I took my head cover off and the religion unraveled for me and, as a consequence of taking off my head cover, wanting to leave Islam, I blew up my career at the same time, because Because your head wrapping's off. Yeah, and I'm not an undercover Muslim anymore. I mean like I was no good as somebody who was the FBI's like what are you?

33:49
taking that on for.

33:49 - Speaker 1
Yeah, so it was a oh wow.

33:52 - Speaker 4
Yes. So I went home with my tail between my legs, back to my parents and I met Jesus on YouTube, as you know. So it wasn't for a couple of months before I told him and I confessed. My father could care less if I you know, if I grew a tail. He loved me to death. He thought it was weird, but he's like whatever, whatever makes you happy.

34:12 - Speaker 2
Was he faithful? Was he practicing?

34:14 - Speaker 4
He was. He was. He actually built the first mosque, persian mosque in LA. Really At this point, because we had all become religious in the mid nineties. My brother was first, then me, then my parents. I was raised secular, so there was no religion in my house until the mid-90s, until college.

34:32 - Speaker 2
What caused?

34:33 - Speaker 4
it, was it the? It was. My brother was involved in drugs and got sober and clean, and he said that the only way he could stay clean was he needed religion, so he turned to Islam, natural fit. Of course I was also a hot mess and I was like, okay, I'll go into Islam to make sense. And then my parents just followed suit. They had these super devout kids and they're like well, we better do something. And they just got involved too. Yeah, absolutely.

34:57 - Speaker 2
Are your parents alive?

34:59 - Speaker 4
My mother is still alive. My father passed, but so, other than my parents, I have nobody. I was disowned by everybody else, so my daughter lost her entire side of the family, her father and his side, half, brothers and sisters, nieces and nephews. It's been very, very difficult for her. A little easier on me, I'm older, but it's been very difficult to watch her go through that Absolutely.

35:25 - Speaker 2
So you mentioned London and it's obviously emanated out the rioting and all. I don't know how to put this. So you and I were texting a while back, but so when London was burning, there's some people in England that I know who fought in the British Army and some high level areas, and their word is we're losing our country, our politicians. And it's interesting because these guys are hardcore military dudes and they've done special ops throughout the world. I found it interesting that they said we don't blame the Muslim. We don't blame the Muslim for what they're doing.

36:15 - Speaker 4
It's our politicians. Yeah, we were the ones that gave up the farm, it's Parliament.

36:20 - Speaker 2
It's true, it's 10 Downing Street, always been 10 Downing Street, it's always been 1,610 Downing, and so we're watching. Now, who are these people? Not to connect, not to correlate, but who are the people in London now resisting the rioting? I mean, isn't I guess that's kind of I didn't even ask that question correctly, because there's there's the Muslim presence, but there's there's some what we would call in our we would call nationalists. Now, right, there's the Brits, are they?

36:59 - Speaker 4
Who? The ones that they're calling thugs, or are we calling, like the MAGA, extremists?

37:04 - Speaker 2
This is where it gets complicated because there are this good question, because and help you know, help me unpack this yes, uh, the world doesn't know what to think about this. Because, number one, there are British citizens that are saying we're losing our country, we've got to do something. Yes, take to the streets, I get it. Then there's the group that are almost, uh, you know, we're patriots, we are maybe even ex-military and you know we've sworn an oath, we've got to do this. And then there's what we would say are the rabid. They're just rabid. What? What are they the? They're the extremists. That is the aryan almost type of of kill everybody, but but our team, who's? When I turn on the news tonight and I see writing and london and manchester and birmingham, what am I watching?

38:02 - Speaker 4
the provocateurs the provocateurs there's them too okay, who?

38:06 - Speaker 2
what am I seeing? Tell us, what are we watching on the screens?

38:10 - Speaker 4
I'll give you the best analogy I could find when I watch, when I see the streets of London. J6, january 6th Same thing, same players these players In other words, there are the people, the majority of whom just care about our country. Yeah, you know, they're just, they're out there.

38:25 - Speaker 2
Yeah, so they show up. You know them, I know them. So they show up to say God bless America.

38:29 - Speaker 4
God bless America. We want to stand, for we think this election was stolen.

38:34 - Speaker 2
Yeah.

38:34 - Speaker 4
We're allowed to say we think the election was.

38:36 - Speaker 2
You can have your opinion, yes.

38:38 - Speaker 4
You can say it, it's totally legit, yeah, you know. And so then we have them, yep. And then we have the people that are a little what hardcore, that were like you know, we got to take it by any means necessary. We need to go and stampede the Capitol, yeah. And then you have people that were on the far right fringe, that were like we're going to use weapons. How many of them were there? Three, five, ten, there doesn't have to be many. There doesn't have to be many. Yeah, there really doesn't.

39:03
And then you had provocateurs. Yes, talk to me about these guys. Then you had people that were there to instigate and go people into committing violence, and so people who wouldn't otherwise commit violence were encouraged to do so. When I was at headquarters, we had people like that. We had agents that were doing that. It was basically we're going to bring out of them what's naturally there. We're not creating it. We're going to bring out what they would have otherwise done had they had the means. So we help with weaponry, we encourage the talk in their chat groups, whatever it may be. So this cocktail of people coming together creates absolute chaos, and that's what we saw happen on J6. What started as a peaceful rally turned into absolute chaos. So on the streets of London you have the average British person who wants to save their country, who's literally losing their country. It's far worse than it is here.

40:09 - Speaker 2
That's exactly what my sources, my friends, there Way worse. That's what they said. In fact, I'll just say, some have said it's so bad. Well, we're moving to America and I said are you nuts, are you losing your mind? Why would you come here? And it was said to me you have no idea how much better it is right now in America than it is right here for us, right, and they're leaving their country with tears. We just have space.

40:38 - Speaker 4
We just have more space. That's all. But the same things are happening in certain areas of our country and will continue because of the lack of a border.

40:46 - Speaker 2
Well, the lack of a border and when it goes off, think about it when it goes, not if. When it goes off it's going to be something. You were talking earlier and maybe people saw me and my eyes went over here and I went over here and I'm looking around for my phone. I don't even know if I should even mention this, but you talked about provocateurs. Yeah, you want to throw me the phone, so I'm probably going to get a knock. I'm probably going to get a knock on my door tonight, thank you, oh, in fact, you know what? Let me unlock it. I'm going to throw it back to you. Go to January 5th. When was it? What year?

41:34 - Speaker 4
Oh 2021.

41:39 - Speaker 2
So go back and you're going to see, you'll see some guys standing in black outfits. So I was in DC on January 5th.

41:55 - Speaker 4
Oh, okay, I know a lot of people.

41:57 - Speaker 2
I had a prayer meeting scheduled.

42:02 - Speaker 4
Oh, with Tony Perkins.

42:04 - Speaker 2
Tony was with us with Mike Pompeo Okay, in fact my daughter was with me. We were with Secretary Mike and we were praying, and actually I need to correct that I was. We were doing a news report on January 5th about 10 o'clock at night. Post-election analysis with Michelle Bachman, former Congresswoman Michelle.

42:34 - Speaker 4
Bachman, who rang this bell years before it was cool.

42:36 - Speaker 2
Michelle Bachman has been ringing this bell and everybody told her to shut up and go away.

42:40 - Speaker 4
Everybody told her she was crazy and she was a quack. I remember thinking that she was, and now she's a prophetic.

42:47 - Speaker 2
Yep, so it's now. It's now, we're done. We're done doing the news. It's late, it's Monday, Is that right? Monday? It doesn't matter, it's January 5th. It's very late at night. I get an Uber from FRC Studios and I'm heading to my room at the Hyatt Regency on 400 New Jersey Street. You can see the.

43:17
Capitol. You can actually see the Capitol. It's so close and I'm sitting in the back of the Uber and I want to show you what I took pictures of. I've never showed these to you. I sent them immediately to Tony and I said what is going on? Okay, these are time-stamped, all legit. About close to midnight, january 5, washington DC, he said I'm sending these to a friend of mine at the Capitol Police. That was the end of it. Now that I'm saying it on the podcast, I'm sure I'll be dead tomorrow morning or somebody's knocking on my door. Don't get dead.

44:10 - Speaker 3
I go to heaven to live as Christ, to die as gain.

44:13 - Speaker 2
So yeah, put some glasses on Street corner just about midnight.

44:18 - Speaker 4
Oh, those are.

44:20 - Speaker 2
Look, look, look.

44:24 - Speaker 4
And what is that? What are those bands? Those are. Those bands are everywhere, but they're Americans. These are that guy looks like intelligence, that looks like an American intelligence officer, the guys that are undercover in Afghanistan and this is live podcast, ladies and gentlemen, so before you see more, what are you looking at With your expertise? That's US Intel. That looks like US Intel. I've seen a thousand of those guys.

44:58 - Speaker 2
You saw the.

44:59 - Speaker 4
Yes, it's a flag. Was that a wrapped up flag?

45:04 - Speaker 2
It turns out that yeah, just.

45:16 - Speaker 4
Look what's in his hand, because you can't bring weapons into DC. What is that? A water bottle? What is that?

45:24 - Speaker 2
Notice their gloves. Look at this. That's some sort of a weapon and or baton. Notice that and I've been told this Geometrically, the stripes. It's not an American flag, it's something else.

45:41 - Speaker 4
Oh, okay.

45:42 - Speaker 2
It's only red and it's only white.

45:44 - Speaker 4
There's no blue blue, there's no stars except on that, guys, isn't there stars right there? Yeah, no, okay, interesting this guy's on his cell phone. Can I see their shoes? Do you have any pictures of their shoes? No, because we can usually tell intelligence where their shoes shoes here, zoom in.

46:04 - Speaker 2
Hope you're enjoying this podcast. People, people, this is pretty wild stuff beyond live.

46:09 - Speaker 4
Yeah, interesting Some of them. They're not wearing traditional US government boots. All dressed the same, exactly the same Odd, with a red and white candy stripe band around their Did you look up the candy stripe band to see what it meant I did and what does it mean?

46:30 - Speaker 2
Antifa Really.

46:32 - Speaker 4
It's an.

46:32 - Speaker 2
Antifa logo. It's an Antifa fight color, war color Red and white. These guys don't look like Antifa. I know.

46:41 - Speaker 4
So it's our guys, dressed up as Antifa guys.

46:44 - Speaker 2
I didn't say that. I'm not saying that.

46:47 - Speaker 4
That makes sense. I told you. Shame on you. I'm telling you. I don't know if it's the Lord wanting to open my eyes, but I've become so cynical no-transcript.

47:14 - Speaker 2
And then the last I heard of it the DC Capitol Police have got those photos and I don't know whatever became of that.

47:24 - Speaker 4
It's just part of the melange that was the G6.

47:28 - Speaker 2
So later that, so now January 6th, we're with Pompeo and this is exactly what happens. Pompeo, we're praying, we're with him, we're together, and his phone goes off and he looks and he goes. Hmm, seems to be just some sort of disturbance at the Capitol and that was all. That was all. We had no idea, that was it.

47:51 - Speaker 4
At the time? Was he Secretary of State or head of CIA?

47:54 - Speaker 2
Secretary of State at that time. Okay, yeah, and so it's yeah, if. If people remember Dinesh D'Souza, he did a documentary film called 2000, mules Right, and there was one of the guy the guy that did the data analysis for CIA, over 30 years, retired In fact he wound up being arrested for several days, held and then released after that film came out, but he had said that it was his job electronically to control elections in countries.

48:41 - Speaker 4
Oh right, I remember that.

48:42 - Speaker 2
Remember that To engineer an outcome that was best for US interests. And it breaks your heart, you know. You think you grew up in America and God bless America and the Constitution and all this kind of stuff, and you think of George Washington and Tom and Ben and those guys and it's just like what the heck? But we're now, you know, here. We are outside these studios. It's a picture perfect day. It's a great beach day, which is about what I'm I'm going to do pretty soon. Um, and life is happening in in, yet Jesus is on his throne. Jesus, this is the exact where we go with all of these good things that are around us. And ministry Today's been an amazing day of some really awesome ministry that's going to be coming up.

49:30
You're going to hear about it. It's going to be all over the place. We're thrilled, awesome. But because our borders are wide open, there's issues and sicknesses. There's diseases that we've eradicated decades ago that are now here in our streets that people are going through again, because people are here with all kinds of things and there's a real problem brewing and I'm not making it up, but you know, there's just stuff going on with. Sometimes it's easier to not know, but you know. So what do you? What do you see?

50:20 - Speaker 4
What do you see coming?

50:21
Soon after I came to Christ, about six months in before COVID hits.

50:25
It's a one week before COVID. It's one week before COVID, so it's a couple of years in from my conversion and I've worked in this field, you know, for a very long time. The Lord shows me two dreams. One dream I am in a police station and I'm drugged, so I'm not able. So I come in there. I'm like what am I doing here? How dare you arrest me? I'm screaming on. So I come in there.

50:48
I'm like what am I doing here? How dare you arrest me? Blah, blah, blah, and I'm screaming on top of my lungs. They tranquilize my body so that my legs can't move and start dragging me, are outside my house going. I know you're in there, we know you're in there, come out. And I woke up knowing full well that was my government that was outside my door and I thought at that time why in the world would my government be coming after me? I've been all over this country in the strangest of places, finding people that have built camps waiting for the day that Civil War breaks out, thinking whether it's Kansas, oklahoma, oregon, 200 acres, 300 acres, americans.

51:41 - Speaker 2
Like compounds.

51:42 - Speaker 4
Patriotic Americans that have built properties. Wow, because they— they foresee this. They don't know who is the enemy. You know the apparatus, the counterterrorism apparatus we built was supposed to be for terrorists, for Muslim terrorists. It was turned against MAGA extremists. So the apparatus, the Patriot Act— Patriot Act, patriot.

52:06 - Speaker 2
Act.

52:07 - Speaker 4
That allowed the surveillance and the collection of data.

52:11 - Speaker 2
Wow, this is cool, I mean, I'm sorry, it's not cool.

52:17
It's a revelation where we have our constitutional republic freedoms that because of being attacked at 9-11, 2001, we give power to the government to have incredible powers to even look at our emails and texts and everything. But it's all in the and I'm not just, I'm just saying innocently you go get those bad guys. In fact, we'll give you all of our freedoms up. We'll say you go get those bad guys. In fact, we'll give you all of our freedoms up. We'll say, you go get them. And so there's no doubt, obviously, that that has so flipped on us and we know this. It's not conspiracy when you know just the things with our phones listening right now. How many times now will things start popping up in the next 24 hours because of the way?

53:08 - Speaker 4
Trying to sell you a red and white bandana. Bandana trying to.

53:11 - Speaker 2
Yeah, there'll be articles on Antifa now and January 6th and all this stuff and Mike Pompeo lost too much weight or whatever they're saying. But the whole thing was, and from what I remember and it may not be accurate, but what I remember studying in the early days of 2000 was Islam's tactic had been for centuries to go into an area and create a problem and, when the problem cannot be handled by the powers that be, to then go to the powers that be and offer the solution.

53:52 - Speaker 4
Oh, here in this country they would do that. Yeah, yeah.

53:56 - Speaker 2
Or any foreign country. Yes, and there's an actual. There's a word that I remember studying, but there's dimitude Sure and there's dimitude Sure and there's very Takiyah, takiyah and hudna.

54:12 - Speaker 4
The peace agreement yes.

54:13 - Speaker 2
Yes, now. So here we are now where people would say oh, you guys are crazy, you guys are crazy. Yeah. Yeah, we probably are crazy. But why is our borders open like that? I can't go to England, I can't walk into, I can't walk into Canada, I can't walk into. Try walking into Japan. Good luck, good luck. You've got to basically give them your firstborn and DNA and everything, even Russia.

54:44 - Speaker 4
I tried to get a visa three times. They wouldn't give me one.

54:48 - Speaker 2
I tell you what I've had visas to Russia several times and it took forever to get.

54:53 - Speaker 1
Yes.

54:54 - Speaker 4
They defend their borders.

54:55 - Speaker 2
Yes, why, all of a sudden? And I get really, I'm really leery of the individual who says oh man, you know, borders, open borders, open borders. Wait, whose side are you on? Oh man, you know, borders, open borders, open borders. Wait, whose side are you on, right Gosh? We could go on forever, but have we gone too far? I'm not talking spiritually. Jesus is on the throne and he's our hope.

55:21 - Speaker 4
Politically past the point of no return.

55:29 - Speaker 2
If somebody shut the border down today, if somebody pressed that button or called that thing or gave the thumbs up to go do? There's so many here now, especially in California, we're sitting ducks.

55:39 - Speaker 4
Is it too late? Well, that's why Trump's calling for mass deportations. Right that you have to get some of the most extreme ones out.

55:45 - Speaker 2
But he's a white supremacist for saying that. He's a lunatic for saying that you know that's never going to happen.

55:52 - Speaker 4
That's the thing.

55:52 - Speaker 2
Come on, let's be honest, even if Trump got elected-.

55:56 - Speaker 4
He wouldn't be able to push that then.

55:58 - Speaker 2
I'm not a prophet, I'm pretending right now. So Trump gets elected and the day after he's elected, he's being sued for something. No, no Right. Won't he be impeached five days later?

56:10 - Speaker 4
Yes, but they still can't get him out Right. He's been impeached several times, true.

56:14 - Speaker 2
But it's a distraction.

56:16 - Speaker 4
It is a distraction, as it always is.

56:18 - Speaker 2
It's a distraction. And you know they'll try to plug up the pipe of getting things done. But this is going to be a really interesting next couple of months leading up to November because it will. Now we've got these technology titans that are getting involved and you guys, today's breaking news I don't know if you saw.

56:46 - Speaker 4
Zuckerberg's letter. Zuckerberg, crazy Zuckerberg man. Do you know? We were involved in the conversations back in 2007 to force Twitter and Facebook and Google to censor the Islamic extremists, and they refused.

57:00 - Speaker 3
They refused.

57:01 - Speaker 4
That took so much massaging to get to the point where they would actually participate in any form of censorship. And now, based on what they were doing during the last elections I'm glad he's finally seeing because— Tell the people they don't know this yet, or maybe they do Sure. Zuckerberg basically admits that he was censoring political speech by the government.

57:25 - Speaker 2
Facebook was asked by the federal government to censor citizens and the Trump campaign efforts. Mark Zuckerberg, a flaming liberal Hillary Clinton supporter, said we were told by the government to do this.

57:48 - Speaker 4
And I'll tell you, because if you, I don't know about what his agenda is coming out either, who knows?

57:53
Who knows. I know he thought that Trump was really cool, was a badass is the way he described him after the assassination. But I can tell you from being in conversations with those executives before they had agreed to the censorship and they're like we don't want to be a part of this, we don't want to be part of the government, we don't want to be part of your fight with. One day it's this person, the next day it's that person. They, literally their values, were yuck. Whatever you guys are doing is just gross and we want no part of it. But how that shifted to no, we're not only going to be a part of it, but we'll agree to do it for against Americans. I don't know how they were able to get them to make that shift, but I'm glad to see that's turning back around because maybe we'll have a chance at a, at a fair contest.

58:40 - Speaker 2
Have you heard this I've heard this numerous times that Vivek.

58:53 - Speaker 4
Vivek.

58:54 - Speaker 2
Ramaswamy and Elon Musk and some other names are working on a uh, some form of security system regarding the electronic election process. Uh, something about, uh, something about the, the. It turns out that the dominion machines we were told they didn't have routers in them, but then, when they were, when the, when the machines were taken apart, there were routers in them. Oh wow, connected to various strategic anti -usS interest, and Elon knows about this stuff and there's supposedly I heard this from somebody who's a San Jose Silicon Valley person and I don't know if it's going to work, but they're working very seriously hard on this To replace the Dominion machines.

01:00:02
No To fight. I don't know this language To track it the Dominion machines no. To find I don't know this language To track it or the technology that they have from Musk and what they've put together. It will be able to smell electronically that this Device, device is poisoned, is tainted. This is what. Oh interesting, it's making noise. Oh, okay, it's sending messages, sending signals places that it shouldn't be.

01:00:26 - Speaker 4
Yeah, yeah, wouldn't that be fun if that is true, that would Sad, but I think we're going to be a lot better prepared, but what a lot of the news is reporting is that we will. There'll be unrest, no matter what, no matter who wins.

01:00:39 - Speaker 2
Look thank you for bringing this up, you guys, let's just agree on this right now there's going to be unrest. Why am I saying this? Because if the, if the bad guys win, um, there's going to be unrest because that was the plan. If the good guys win, there's going to be unrest because, uh, the form the the bad guys are going to, it's going to happen anyway. It's kind of like here in LA If the Lakers win the World's Championship, we burn down cop cars and flip cars and burn down buildings because the Lakers won, and if the Lakers lose, we turn over cop cars and burn them. It's crazy, isn't it? But something's up.

01:01:28 - Speaker 4
You know, there's, there's an entity that is just looking for every situation to to capitalize on the problem and based on the billions and billions of dollars that are at stake if Trump gets elected, and the reason I say that is again going back to the contracts and the deployments and the money that we spend overseas. People don't want to lose that money, so there's a lot more at stake than just power. It's billions, trillions of dollars that are at stake, and so that's not going to go over easy.

01:02:03 - Speaker 2
People don't. Yeah, people don't want that.

01:02:06 - Speaker 4
They don't surrender that, they don't surrender that easily. And so I think for us as Christians, we I try not to get stuck in the rabbit holes. You know, you go down a couple just to see what's there and then you get back. And the Lord's always put on my heart, just keep your eyes on me. Yeah, you know. So, let's always put on my heart, just keep your eyes on me.

01:02:26 - Speaker 2
Yeah, you know. So let's land this on a happy place. Yes, god has taken your skills and your talents and your giftings and wrapped them up within you and then, like Saul of Tarsus, the Lord got a hold of you and now you've become a Deborah in the kingdom of God and Esther in the kingdom of God. Tell the people what you're doing and the ministry that you are involved in, and there's going to be a book coming out. Yes, talk about it. Sure, tell them all.

01:03:02 - Speaker 4
So the ministry is resurrectministrycom and it's an online. I met Jesus online, so I wanted to create an opportunity. The Lord put it on my heart, to create an opportunity where people can reach out to me. They could meet Jesus online, whether they're a princess walled up in a palace in Dubai or a housewife in Southern California. They'd be able to access resources where they could meet Christ where they are. And the most important aspect of it is I invite people to reach out to me.

01:03:27
I've been talking to mothers from all over the world in China, in the UK. Basically, how do I get my child out of Islam? What do I do? How could I pray for them? What words can I use? I've had a couple of people from Romania asked me that they're interested in Islam. From Romania asked me that they're interested in Islam. Help me, stop me. What do you want to tell me? Yes, so the Lord's put this wonderful mission field in front of me, where people reach out and I do what I can to help them. So I want to make that available to these listeners as well.

01:03:59 - Speaker 2
The site again.

01:04:00 - Speaker 4
It's resurrectministrycom.

01:04:05 - Speaker 2
Is this where they'll find the podcast as well? Yes, so. Living Fearless a podcast that we have on the Real Life Network. Everybody go to that, follow that. It's great.

01:04:13 - Speaker 4
Thank you. That's also on YouTube and all the access links and social media is on the website. And then my book is Living Fearless in Christ, of course, so Winning Battles for the Kingdom. Why I Left Islam to win battles for the kingdom.

01:04:25 - Speaker 2
This is going to be at a tremendous seller because of the content. The content. People have to know this and I, for one, am going to really push it out there.

01:04:37 - Speaker 4
Do I get to be a book of the month?

01:04:39 - Speaker 2
Oh, absolutely, yay, yeah, it's so funny. Now People contact us all over the United States.

01:04:44 - Speaker 4
I can imagine I was like stand in line. Authors.

01:04:46 - Speaker 2
It's so crazy because authors who are now not even Christians. They're saying can my book be the book of the month? It's so funny, but it's a good reputation, we've set up a great high bar. And so, yeah, yeah, yeah. So Jesus Christ is for real, he's on his throne, he's coming back.

01:05:08 - Speaker 4
The Bible says Can we end with a story about Afghanistan?

01:05:13 - Speaker 2
I would love that.

01:05:14 - Speaker 4
There were 0.05 Christians in Afghanistan before the invasion. We all saw it. This is the three-year anniversary of the death of our soldiers, 13 soldiers that were killed in that horrible debacle. I met a lady the other day and her and I literally started crying over what's happened to Afghanistan, that we lost Afghanistan after all the blood, sweat and the tears. And she says but, sister, you want to hear something? And I said yes, please. And she said I had a vision. She lived in Afghanistan seven years, she says, before I stepped on that plane. I had a vision from the Lord where he showed me a big field and it was seeds blowing across this field. And he says I am opening this door for a period of time.

01:06:04 - Speaker 2
Yes, key.

01:06:05 - Speaker 4
But the door will shut.

01:06:07 - Speaker 2
Exactly.

01:06:08 - Speaker 4
She heard this back in 2007. And she went with all earnest to plant the seeds of faith, and her and other people and missionaries, and all throughout that effort that we had planted in Afghanistan. What remained was Jesus.

01:06:22 - Speaker 2
That's right.

01:06:24 - Speaker 4
Thousands and thousands of believers in Afghanistan, and no one could take those seeds away. No one can snatch them from his hand. So, no matter how dismal some of our politics is going, jesus is on his throne and he's changing hearts and he's changing lives.

01:06:39 - Speaker 2
I occasionally get an update from a young lady, heather Mercer, who was in Afghanistan. She's now working in another Middle Eastern country doing a great work, but she went to Afghanistan to share Christ and the stories in her book talks about just the openness and the searching and the heart. And so beautiful. And another thing that we're involved in you don't know this, but we are, we're involved in and I'll say it discreetly You'll you'll know this quickly. We're involved in an organization that we've partnered with with Samaritan's Purse, that we've partnered with with Samaritan's Purse. This name, this entity, is in Muslim countries.

01:07:34 - Speaker 1
Oh, okay.

01:07:35 - Speaker 2
Providing medical care, renowned medical care. These physicians are world renowned, but they're believers. Nice, and there have been quite a few hospitals built. Why, why? Why? Why? Because, by and large, in many of those Islamic countries, the female and the children have been abandoned when it comes to their wellbeing. Yes, and so there was the need, their wellbeing, and so there was the need, and so this organization was established to bring in top shelf medical care. All the while, it's inevitable where the Muslim woman will say why are you doing this to us or to my child? Or why did you fix my arm like this or my foot, it doesn't matter.

01:08:31 - Speaker 4
And the answer is Jesus, amen, and it's always Jesus, it's always Jesus.

01:08:37 - Speaker 2
It's so amazing where for you the answer was Jesus and for me the answer was Jesus and you and I. We get to hear reports from people around the world. I met someone on Sunday here who was born and raised in China, who made it out, and this person came to Christ at one of our resurrection services. They came out of curiosity and heard the gospel and growing up being told there is no God Right, but Jesus just steps over boundaries and walls and curtains and barbed wire.

01:09:26 - Speaker 4
He's the silver lining in this horrible, abusive, extremist Islam. I mean, even in Iran they say 60% of the people, only 60%, identify as Muslims, because the rest are mostly Christians that they've come to Christ.

01:09:40 - Speaker 2
Same in.

01:09:40 - Speaker 4
Afghanistan.

01:09:42 - Speaker 2
Yeah, this is absolutely.

01:09:43 - Speaker 4
So it's the savagery of extremist Islam that's driving people to Jesus.

01:09:49 - Speaker 2
Yeah, 2020, I believe it was 2020. Us State, not the US State Department. The CIA, monitored an extreme download of data from the cloud into Iran, from the cloud into Iran and so they looked at it, and they were very surprised to find out that all that data dump into Iran was the Bible and sermons.

01:10:21 - Speaker 4
Amen.

01:10:21 - Speaker 2
And now you look fast forward to what's happening. This is what we get to do.

01:10:28 - Speaker 4
Yes, thank God. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:10:32 - Speaker 2
Well, hedia, we love you, we want to always bring you back and have you back.

01:10:38 - Speaker 4
Thank you for the pleasure and the honor.

01:10:39 - Speaker 2
Oh gosh, we're in this together, and so we're just thrilled. And so we're just thrilled and would pray and would trust God to take you to a place in service to him that what you're doing today is nothing heavier compared to what he's going to be doing, and you will see it, and it's going to be amazing because I think you've blessed the heart of God and you're serving the kingdom and you have a unique, unique set of tools that are most remarkable for his glory.

01:11:19 - Speaker 4
So we love you, thank you, god bless you for being with us so great. It's always a pleasure. Thank you, god bless you for being with us. Thank you, pastor Jack. So great, it's always a pleasure.

01:11:28 - Speaker 1
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