Amir Tsarfati and Jack Hibbs: Israel, Islam, and Bible Prophecy

Real life presents the Jack Hibbs podcast with intention and boldness to proclaim truth, equip the saints, and impact our culture. Hey, I'm gonna be sitting now with my good friend Amir Sarfate. You're not gonna want to miss this. We're gonna be talking about what's trending today in social media. Should Israel exist? Is it existing? Is it viable? Is it for real? What does God say about it? From the Bible, let's dive in to see the Word of God come before us in color. You can get the outlines of this podcast by going to jackhibbs.com slash podcast. Today, if this podcast lifts you up and encourages you to live a more fulfilled life in Christ, then make sure you leave us one of those five star ratings. To us, that's like saying amen or yes, then that rating will encourage others to listen. Now open your hearts to what God's Word has to say to you. Here is Jack Hibbs. Hey, everybody. I'm gonna sit down with my good friend Amir Sarfate from Israel. We're gonna be talking about the viability of the nation of Israel. Is it for real? What about the Jews? Do they have a right to the land? What does the Bible say? We're gonna get into it right now. And so Amir, welcome to the program. Thank you. Great having you here. God bless you, man. So Amir, there's so much rhetoric going on about Israel's right to exist. It seems like it's always been the argument of Israel's right to exist from 1948 forward. But what's the general field in Israel today with the criticism that's coming out of the West and tragically from America very, very loud. There's some noise makers. What's what is the vibe? And can I say a post war? I mean, the war's not over. You guys are still cleaning some things up. But there's a sense of relief where you guys have put Iran back in its box, so to speak. What's the general feel on the street among the Israelis? I think the general feel is that finally we all agree that the problem of these people has absolutely nothing to do with politics. It has to do with a very existence because we are being pounded from both sides. If you really think about the liberals attacking us and some ultra conservatives are attacking us, we're seeing those who question Israel's right to exist coming from both camps. Now, it used to be so that the conservatives in Israel were always those that held the flag and they said, we are here because of our forefathers, because of the Bible and all of that. And the liberals will always lean on, we are here because Zionism was all about our hard work, the military's existence. It's us. It's not God. It's not anyone. And we also need to acknowledge the rights of other people that live around us. And we need to strive to have peace with them. And if we need to share the land, let's share the land, all of that thing. Then comes October 7 in the liberal sea that it's, look, we're being accused for not even being legitimate owners of the land, even if we're peaceniks, if we're those who want to have peace with our enemy. I mean, let's face it, most of the people that were massacred on October 7. We're not on the conservative side of the map. Who are they? The people in the Kibbutzim are all people that would vote for Bernie Sanders. They're in the American version. And they were massacred by the very people they helped and they rooted for and they were fighting for. Okay. So now everybody understands. Okay. So for them, for the Palestinians in Gaza, every single Israeli is a settler. It doesn't matter if it's West Bank. You live in a square inch that we think is ours, you're a settler. And settler means it's a code name for illegal. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. The guy picks up the phone of one of the women he killed and says, Mom, I saw that. I just killed 10. We're so proud to be a sweetheart. So everybody understands now that our existence is there's nothing to do with politics. You could be the most peace loving government that would share everything with everyone. Still your existence is their problem. And when they chant very, very, I would say innocently from the river to the sea. Yeah. What does it mean from the river to the from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean? Palestine will be free. That means no Jews are having any right over anything from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean. Yeah. It's not about. Well, it's amazing. It's amazing because when reporters do stop a Harvard or Yale student here in America, who's chanting from the river to the sea, they'll ask them, what is what river? They don't know what sea. They literally do not know. So I don't know if they're getting like a free Starbucks. Maybe they're getting a frequent wire card for whatever they're saying. But they have no idea what they're talking about. But let me ask you this for our audience. You and I know this, but I'm going to say the Palestinian argument is the use surpper, meaning they have come in to the ancient homeland of Israel and then they say it's it's ours. I forget the kind of bird. There's a bird in this world that waits and waits and waits for other birds to build their nest, lay their eggs. And then this bird comes in, attacks the bird and then throws the other eggs out of the nest and then lays eggs and takes it over. That is not too different than what's happened with what what is happening with the Palestinian issue. That sounds harsh for me to say, but can you just insert right now a little a flyover of the history of the land? Because people will say people like Tucker Carlson and others will say, well, Israel has only been around since 1948. And it's really appalling to hear someone who's a friend of mine said, you got to watch out for people who've been educated beyond their intelligence. Tucker's a bright guy. He should know better than that. But his argument was, well, they've only been around since 1948, implying that Palestinians have been around longer. So can you talk about that? Well, first of all, I don't agree that Tucker is an educated person. He's the single most uneducated person I've ever seen on TV because with that platform, you would think that he would at least go and check history, check facts. When you come and say, everyone knows that. That means it's a warning. You know nothing. That means you rely on rumors on this one said that. Yeah, who's your search? Don't say everyone say that. Say what really truly happened. Go back and find out what happened. When is it that the Jewish people began to return back to their homeland? When it is that most of the Arabs started flocking to the land, it's mostly after the Jews return. Remember, Joe and Peter's, Joe and Peter's the book from time immemorial. Yes. Unbelievable. Should be required reading. Yes. But they don't care about that because these are facts. They don't let facts confuse them. Yeah. For them, they are repeating mantras and slogans without knowing anything about it. When they say, globalize the antifada, for example, they don't even know what antifada stands for. Yeah. Okay. So it's nice to say that. But now when you see explosions and murders of Jews on American sold, now you finally get to understand what globalized the antifadas are about. But let's go back to the history. It's amazing. You know, I'm very surprised that Tucker never took the time to even find out what is the birth of the Zionist movement. When did it even start? It started in the late 1800s. That's right. Exactly. And we're talking about people who moved to the land of Israel with the ideology that Zion is the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people. That's their call Zionist. Yeah. The Zion appears so many times in the Bible. It's the most biblical term to describe the land. To deny to deny Zion is to deny the accuracy of the scriptures. Absolutely. Which Tucker and others are ignorant of the scriptures. And I know that when he was debating Ted Cruz, he probably said, I'm a Christian too. And I have the right to speak into this. He kind of put the news around his neck because when he said that he was a Christian and then did not know what he was talking about, makes you question what kind of flavor are you regarding your quote Christianity? Because it is not Christian to say that there is no Israel or that the Israel today is not viable when God himself says in the Bible that when Israel comes back into their own land, which is by the way amazing. When they return, when they return the Bible says, excuse me, you have to be there first before you can return. Yes. So when they return, the scriptures says they're going to return an unbelief. They're going to return atheistic. But there are people running around saying, look at that. They don't pray the way we do. They don't worship the way we do. They don't they don't believe in Yeshua the way that we do. So thus their illegitimate. And their very assertive comment proves that they do not read the Old Testament, which may be the problem. They've come out of churches, which never touched on the Old Testament. I doubt if Tucker goes to church. I mean, the fact that you call yourself a Christian doesn't mean you're a Christian. I can stand in the parking lot here and yet I will not be a car. You know, it doesn't mean well in California, you actually can become a car if you stand in the parking lot. Okay. Well, you know, I know that. Yeah. I am an NFL. I don't know if you know this. I'm an NFL Hall of Fame All-Star Quarterback. That's how I identify it. You identify it. Yes. So you have to. Well, in the real world, you're not. And in the interesting thing is that with Tucker, again, for him, because everyone says Israel won in 1948, that means Jews were not there until 1948. He doesn't even bother to go back and read and get educated. And I always like to also take people all the way back to the even before the Holocaust because another thing they say is the Holocaust is why Israel was born. If there was not a Holocaust, the world wouldn't feel so sorry for them. Then the real owners would have been like the world feels sorry for Israel because of the Holocaust. Since when did that stop the anti-Semitic? Absolutely not. And again, now they're even denying the Holocaust. But they think they always they first tell me I'm not a Jew and then they say, I hate you for being a Jew. Okay. So am I not a Jew or okay, but the thing is going back to the 1916 and 17 and 18 something amazing took place in the Middle East. People don't know that. But the aftermath of World War one, the British mandate was imposed in the land of Israel, but the Arabs and the Jews both realized that the birds are not the owners of this land. It's us. We're here in this in this region. Okay. And the Arabs signed. I have the paper. They signed an agreement. It's between Faisal and Whitesman. They sign an agreement in which they say we the Arabs say we acknowledge that the Jews are returning to their ancestors. And we even encourage that. Yeah. And then they say and we are calling for the Jews to help us building the Arab state where in Syria and Iraq and Lebanon, all of that area. It was evident to them then that this land belongs to us and they actually can benefit from our return to the land. They already saw that the Jews are coming from Europe with ingenuity and innovation and technology when it comes to electricity, when it comes to industry, agriculture, everything, unbelievable things. We brought with us so much knowledge and they sought work. They wanted to find better life. They came from Algeria and they came from Jordan and they came from Egypt. You know, yes, there are a lot. He was born in Egypt. He's not even from this land. Born in Egypt died in France and most of his life is spent elsewhere and trying to stir up, you know, revolts in Jordan and in Lebanon and in other places. My thing is this, we had a paper. We already signed on it. Then acknowledging that this is our land, we are ready to help them develop their land. But then the Arabs were smart enough to say and he added it. Faisal added a small section in his handwriting. He says this whole thing is pending on the British Empire fulfilling their promises to us and they never did. And so it all fell through. But then you have to understand the Balfour Declaration, the Declaration of the British government that acknowledges that Palestine of that time is the homeland of the Jewish people. Let's let's yes. Because like our friends, Israel, Moshe, I think of Aviva, their passports were Palestine. It's said Palestine. But before we go any further, explain what Palestine and how does someone become a Palestinian? Exactly. Palestine has zero things to do with Arabs. Nothing to do with Arabs did not even exist or Muslims may I say did not even exist at the time the term Palestine was in the coin. Palestine is a term coined by the Roman emperor Adrian in 135 AD in an attempt to humiliate the Jews who just rebelled against him and he named the land after their Old Testament. Fosed the Philistines who were actually Greek from the Greek Isles. They have nothing to do with Islam. They were coastal. They were sea invaders. So from the island of Khaftor which is Crete of today. It's interesting because I'm thinking that the letter P is not even a letter that Arabs know how to pronounce. You don't call your country a name that you cannot even pronounce. Okay. It's true. But the thing is this, he named it Palestine after the Philistines. Okay. For many many years now, everybody calls it Palestine because the Romans coined that term. Even the Jews. Isn't one of the seven hills in Rome. Isn't one of the Palatine. Palatine. Palatine. Palatine. Okay. Yeah. But the thing is, so here we are and Roman Emperor in an attempt to quench a Jewish revolt, in an attempt to humiliate them and suppress them, names the whole place after their Old Testament foes. Nothing to do with Muslim. And renames. Renames Jerusalem. Aelia Kapitalina. Aelia, Aelius Adriano. That was his name. Kapitalinus Jupiter. Jupiter was the god he served. So he named it after himself and after his god. Okay. But the thing is this, this is all in the attempt of the Romans to humiliate the Jews that were in the land. Yes. Isn't interesting. Yes. The whole point was the Jews were in the land. And the Romans wanted to suppress the revolt. So just that alone tells you we were there. Okay. I love every piece of archaeology you find confirms the fact that the Jews were the Jews are and the Jews. We will see what you're saying right now is so incredibly simple because it is it's recorded history that because we don't teach history anymore nor do we care to really find out about it. We've got all of the sad things that are being said today and isn't that just how Satan works. He loves ignorance and he hates history and he loves Wikipedia by the way because Wikipedia can be edited and right now everything you and I know is being changed. It's changed. It's changed and we live in a generational time where you know who knows maybe I'm exaggerating on this but maybe people are writing their thesis based on Wikipedia and sources. But that said this always generates a response but I'm not saying it to generate a response. I'm saying it because it's true. People think Islam has been around forever. In reality when you look at global religions. I'm not talking about the new cults like Mormonism or you know the watchtower says those are so new it's ridiculous. People forget there are ancient religions like Zorasterism, Judaism. There's ancient religions. Christianity far out dates. Islam is relatively a new religion and so how come they have the rights over something that when it was founded they never even existed. These words in fact the Bible you open up the Bible. You never find the word Palestine in the Bible but yet you find Israel from Genesis to Revelation Israel and yet some which I find fascinating some Bible publishers companies are being bought out by Middle Eastern countries Saudi Arabia predominantly and it's just a matter of time before they start changing out Israel with the word Palestine or you know a lot of people say well I mean yes Islam did not exist but the Arabs were there. It was there. I'm like hold it. I'm going to read to you the last few verses of Nihemiah chapter 2 and you have to listen. So when sent remember Nihemiah is leaving the palace and he's in Persia and he's on his way on the decree of the king to rebuild the city not just the temple the city itself. So when Senbalad the horanite, Horong is Golan area in Syria in the deep in Syria Tobiah the Ammonite. Ammonite is more of Jordan of today Ammon and Geshem the Arab from the Arabia. So from when the Syrians, Jordanians and Arabs looked at me. They looked at you they laughed at us and despised us and they said what is this thing that you are doing? Will you rebel against the king? They thought that building Jerusalem is an act of rebellion against the king and they're like are you that stupid to rebel? They don't even understand. It's a legal paper that Nihemiah is traveling with. It's the most legal thing to do is to rebuild Jerusalem as the Jewish capital of the land. Issued by a pagan Gentile that God is using. Regime is not regime. Bigger than a regime. Empire who says, Nehemiah, why are you so sad? You want Jerusalem? It's yours. Take it. No, I'm going to give you a passport. Yes, a rights of passage. Yes. And it was so sweet because he even says, well, how long are you going to be gone? Yeah, exactly. Let's come back. Well, you know, he was a trusted cup bear. I mean, that guy, of course, he sipped the tea, but look at the answer of Nihemiah is I answer them and I said to them, the God of heaven himself will prosper us. Therefore, in other words, I may have a legal paper from the leader of the empire, but it's God's going to do is going to do it. And then he says, therefore we, his servants, I may be the servant of the emperor, but I'm actually the servant of God first. And then he says, we are his servants. We will arise. We will build and then look at what he said, but you, horror nights, ammonites and Arabs, you have no heritage, nothing, no right or no memorial in Jerusalem. Yeah, because it was Jewish. Yeah, they have not, they don't, they don't have anything to relate to. Jerusalem for them is nothing. Look, for so many years, even when Islam existed, none of the Muslim leaders ever established his kingdom from Jerusalem. None of them didn't care. No, of course not. Remember, it's Mecca and it's Medina that were important to them. In fact, the whole idea of Al-Aqsa, Al-Aqsa has nothing to do with Jerusalem. That's right. Al-Aqsa is the further most mosque near Medina. There was the near one and there was the far one. Okay, that's it. And how come it turned into it? All of a sudden it turns into a, you know, a location in Jerusalem. But you know why? Because there was another Muslim leader in Damascus. The Damascus was known as the city of the bandits, a city of the criminals, a city of people with low moral values. And what happened is there was a great tension between those in Mecca, which were known as religious and those in the Damascus, which were, you know, it's the Vegas, you know. And so here we are, the leader of Mecca bans the Muslims of Damascus from coming to a Hajj in Mecca. And the leader of Damascus, I need to find a place for them to go. That's right. Where do I send them? Boom. Yeah. Jerusalem. And only after they started attaching traditions to Jerusalem to justify the fact that they're sending people to Jerusalem. When they showed up in Jerusalem, they, they, they took some Jewish people. It says, what's going on here? What's happening? Yeah, what's going on? And the Jews said, well, this is where our temple was standing. Oh, really? Well, show us where because we want to build something there. And when they built something there, which is the dome of the rock, they hired Jews wearing white robes to be serving in that place to clean and maintain. Because they realized, this is where Solomon's temple stood up until the 1920s, 1920s. In the Wachf, Wachf is the Muslim authority in the temple month. In their brochures about Al-Aqsa, it says, the authentic location of the temple of Solomon. Yes. Where's that today? It's not there anymore. I haven't moved it. I haven't. I'm going to send it to you. So maybe we can show it on the screen. But, but I do want you to understand because they printed it. It's not even us. They printed it. And, and then of course, came the 1960s, the 1960s is a Soviet psychological operation to bring about a new entity called Palestine and Palestinian people if they never existed before. Yeah. They were always calling themselves Arabs, where Arabs, Arabs, Arabs, Arabs, it's the Jews that called themselves Palestinians. The Jewish Palestine post because the Roman Emperor in 135 AD called them so and it's so moment the Jews had sovereignty. What is the first thing they did changed their name to Israel? Yeah. I hear by declared establishment of the state of Israel. That's what Ben Gurions did. Even, even Truman. I was just going to say Ben Gurren and Truman. But Truman didn't even know what's the name of the country is going to be. So in the first draft, it says the state of the Jews and then he crossed it, the state of Israel is. I have the paper. Yeah. I've seen the photos. My point is it was so amazing. And when you see Psalm 83 that talks about, they want to cut us off from being a nation that the name of Israel will be remembered because we just changed it. Yes. They have, they freak out with Israel thing. It's, I call it the Israel derangement syndrome. Literally, it's a demonic thing. Whenever you talk about Israel, it brings some emotions. A lot of people. It's spiritual. Of course, it's demonic. And for them Jews, Jews, Jews, Jews, Israel, Israel, Israel, they lose it. They don't even know how to start. It's so trolling when you think about that. We should do this sometime. If we were to grab microphones and go down to, say, the Huntington Beach Pier, which seems to be the most favorite place to interview people, apparently. And if we were to walk up and say to somebody, what do you think about Canada and its leadership and its government? What do you think about Canadians? People would say, oh, you're the skin is wonderful. Then I love this syrup. If we could ask about Peru, oh, you know, I went there one time and hiked in the mountains. If you say, what do you think about Israel? It's like nails on a chalkboard. People immediately have a opinion and response. And I don't want to hyper-spiritualize it. But I have to conclude it's spiritual. It's demonic. And because people will give arguments like from the river to the sea, what are you talking about? I don't know. But I have to say something that's against Israel. Why? It's spiritual. And they're being fed with fabricated facts and fabricated photos and stories. They come up with stories that never really truly even existed. But you have to build a narrative. And you have to build some, you can't, the problem of the Palestinians, if you try to write a book about the Palestinian history in the like, it will be blank pages. There's nothing. So they have to somehow create something to continue this whole fake identity thing. Is this true, Amir? The only way that they could write such a thing is if they circumcised their logic, meaning, I'm going to write a book on Palestinians. But to do that, I actually have to recognize the legal recognition that they're Jews, that they're actually Jews. Because Hadrian declared them to be Palestinians, the Jews. Not the Arabs, not the Canadians, not anybody else. The Jews were labeled Palestinians. And they never looked at it as a religious affiliation. Like today, the Palestinians will be 99% identified as Muslims. So they always bring Islam. It's true though. In the West, the West, if you mentioned Arab, the West automatically thinks Muslim. It's true that by the way, most Muslims are not Arabs. Most Muslims on planet are Asians. They're not Arabs. Isn't it amazing? Malaysia and Indonesia, both combined, having more Muslims than the entire Arab world. Yeah. I'm just saying they don't even educate themselves about these things. But my point is is that we started with the Balfour Declaration. But the Balfour Declaration was just a declaration of the royal family, or the government of the United Kingdom that time, to the Zionist Congress at that time. You can argue that it's not an abiding thing. True. But then came 1920. 1920 was the Sanremo Convention. It's what preceded the UN. It was the League of Nations. And the League of Nations met in a little town south of France on the river called Sanremo in Italy. And there they came up with the resolution that basically takes the Balfour Declaration into now a binding international law. Now it's not just a nice gesture of the UK to the Jews. Now it's international recognition. And then when the UN was born after World War II, in their charter, there is the Palestine clause of, I think it's the eighth clause. And it confirms that which was already confirmed in 1920 by the Sanremo Convention. In other words, we're super legal, super legal. More than you can imagine. Well, to prove the point about how super legal, how is it that the United Nations issues more condemnations against Israel, because they know that Israel exists and that it's a legal binding nation. I find it again very interesting that you can put all of the other condemnations of other nations together. And it's still less than one that has been directed against Israel. That's Israel, the Rangeman's syndrome. It's beyond spiritual. It's demonic. Yeah, so so much so that when what's this face? Who is the little short killer terrorist guy, President of Iran, Ahmed Amin and Jihad? Yeah. So when he shows up to speak at the UN, it packs out. Now to know who shows up to speak. And it's it's 75% empty. People walk out. Yeah. And that tells you the vast majority of the members of the UN are not extreme loving democracies. These are dictatorships and Jew hatredring countries. But I always like to look at it this way. While the world loves to hate us, God is still there on the floor. Well, he's got says I am God. I do not change. Therefore, you're not consumed or sons of Jacob. The same God who said once Israel is back into their own land. Listen, back. I will never pull them. Once they are back. That means they were there. Then they were they were gone. And then they return. Once they are back in their own land. In the last days, they will never again be uprooted. No, we do know. And that's a topic for some of the day. We do know that Israel and the Jewish people have what Jesus said days coming that are going to be the worst of all time. Listen, folks, the Bible says this that a day, a time years of suffering will be so bad for Israel that Jesus said unless I return, there'll be no flesh left on the earth. It's going to be horrific. But he did say that they will he will not return to them. He will not return to them until they say blessed is he who comes in the name of Lord. And if my memory serves you right, they will ask him to return. First, they will ask him to return a second time. And they'll ask him the third time. And he says on the third request, I will return. And also the Bible gives us a clear description of the current situation when they're still in disbelief. When Paul writes about the national salvation of Israel in chapter 11 of the book of Romans, then he continues and then he says regarding right now, concerning right now, concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sake because they oppose the gospel. They don't. But concerning the election, they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. In other words, even in their disbelief, they're still beloved for the sake of their fathers. And then he says, for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. You cannot change it. It's not for you to change anything. Yes, exactly. I don't care what the UN wants to do. We, you know, our first prime minister, Ben Gorion, said, um, um in Hebrew is UN, UN, um. And then he says, um shmum, you know, um shmum. It's like, it's like United, nothing, you know, it's all, you know, United, uh, unnecessary. But then he says this and then I love that last portion of Romans 11 when he says, for you, you were once disobedient to God yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience. Paul says, look, you benefited, you gentiles benefited from the disobedience of the Jewish people. Even so, these also have now been disobedient that through the mercy shown you the gentiles, they also may obtain mercy for God has committed them all to disobedience that he might have mercy on all. It's like, guys, there's, there's even logic behind this whole thing because Israel is the only nation on planet earth that God is the one that planted it. Yeah. And then why? So you guys, the gentiles will, will find that mercy and will those who were not my people, lo amee are now going to be amee my people. Yeah. Not beautiful. Every gentile believer should thank God in a way that at the time the Jews rejected it. No, it's true. I'm, I'm like, you know, and now he needs to be to provoke them to jealousy. We need to be the ones now after 2000 years of showing them the Messiah. Exactly. They want what we have. So how do you show them their Messiah by telling them they're not legitimate, by telling the land is not theirs, by telling that God has forsaken them. Come on. Yeah. The way to, first of all, if you two, two thirds of the way to the Jewish heart is when you love him. That's right. Because they're used to everyone hating them. Look, the Council general and other people around you, and you've seen that in many cases all around, they know we love them. That's something that it's hard for them to grasp and it makes them feel forever grateful. Yeah. And they say so. And then, okay, I want to have what you have. That's exactly right. Okay. Show me. Yeah. What do you talk about? Where is it in my Bible? Where is it? Right. Exactly. Yes. They're not even going to, look, you don't have to go to the New Testament. No, you don't. It's all in the old. In the first century, no one used the New Testament to lead people to Christ. People think Paul walked around carrying the New Testament. I always say Paul never quoted the New Testament even once in any of his sermons. It's a fact. You know, you can argue about that, but it's a fact. No, there's no argument. Okay. So I'm just saying, you know, you couldn't say, oh, nobody could lead anyone to the Lord in the first century, because the New Testament did not exist at that time. No. Most of the Gentiles in New Testament that were led to the Messiah were led through. I mean, that Ethiopian unique, he wasn't, he did not even need the entire Old Testament. He did not even need the entire portion of all the prophets. Just one book. Yes. Isaiah. He had the scroll of Isaiah. That's it. Through one book, he already understood. He understood the gospel. Isaiah. Absolutely. Same with me. Isaiah 53. Yeah. That's the chapter that opened my eyes to understand. The Messiah, his role, who he is, why he came and what it means to me. Yeah. This is a good place for me to say or to ask of you. Why do I have friends who are Jewish friends who will say to me, these, what you're saying to me, Jack, is I've never heard this before. That's not in the Bible. And I'll say, do you have a Hebrew Bible? Yes, of course I do. Can you turn to Psalm 22? Or can you turn to, uh, Micah 5 verse 2? Or can you turn to Daniel? Or Zechariah. Or Zechariah. You know where I'm going. Yeah. And they'll do it. They'll do it because there's, I've discovered they feel safe because it's just it's their Bible. Yeah, it's Lisa and maybe this person and their wife or their family and they feel safe. So they open it up and they're looking and it's absolutely foolproof. It happens not 95% of the time. 100% of the time, this is their response. I never saw this before. Yeah. I never saw this before. Why didn't our rabbis teach us this? I've never heard this. I'm looking at it in my book and my Bible. I've never heard this before. But how sad it is that most Christians never said that. So that before also. Well, they don't read their Bible also. They don't need the Old Testament. See, here's the thing. I always tell the church that how do you know? In fact, I'm going to be doing it pretty soon. I'm going to be speaking at a conference. And I don't want to speak at this conference, but I can't get out of it. I'm going to go and I think I know what I'm supposed to say. So let's, let's rephrase it. You want to go there? I, I'm going to, for the sake of the organizers, I'm going to go there out of, I'm going to go there out of pure obedience to God. Amen. I would rather go to the beach that day. Okay. Okay. That said, I want, I'm going to ask them. They're old ministers. I'm going to ask them. How do you know? How do you know that Jesus Christ is the Christ? How do you know that the gospel is the gospel? How do you know that John is John or Romans is Romans? How do you know? They're going to give me some answer. But my comeback is this. You have no clue if the book of Romans or Matthew or John is accurate whatsoever because you are blindly believing what the New Testament record declares. The only way to prove the Old Testament, the New Testament to be true is see what was spoken in the Old Testament. If you don't go to the Old Testament to see where the origin of the promise was given, you have no foundation. And today we have Christians walking around. Many of them simply younger Christians who've come out of churches that have been just byproducts of seminary students where they graduate from major seminary universities in America having no Old Testament studies. So there is, in fact, we were talking about Islam earlier, did you know that in the United States 83% of the Americans converting to Islam 83% were first Christians. They they confessed to be Christians. Okay, first of all, it's impossible to be a Christian and convert to Islam. You thought you were a Christian exactly. You thought and you said things like this. Well, I was baptized or I tend to church on my life. I did watch good or I had confirmation. But when I heard Islam, this is this is the response. I've read it. This is the response. When I heard about Islam, I really I was much more drawn to it because I have to do all of these things. You hear that? Instead of receiving the grace of God that comes through Christ which is which can be proven Old Testament said he would bring this grace because they don't know this. They're still works based. They are works related. It's a cult because they want to earn their salvation. They have without faith, you will seek to earn your salvation. And what's exactly the problem with the Jewish people, which yes, you know, Paul said. But again, what you just said is that it's not just the problem of the Jewish people that they're not well versed with the Old Testament. It's a problem. The Christians as well. Yes. You know, it's the sad reality that churches don't teach the Old Testament because they think it's old. So it says all. That means I don't have to teach that. It's all because there's a new. It doesn't mean it's irrelevant. We have the relevant testament and the irrelevant testament. And I'll always say, Jesus, if it's irrelevant, why did Jesus use, whenever he says scripture says it was only the Old Testament, he proved all of his case through the Old Testament. That's right. Everything. The number one quoted book by Jesus in the New Testament is the book of Deuteronomy. He quoted Deuteronomy more than any other book. Yeah. And so when when we say Jesus is the Word of God, what was the Word of God then when they said it? Yeah, exactly. I mean, that's why you could never really blame Jesus for breaking the Sabbath if he's the one. He's the author of it. Exactly. How can the author of it break the one? I mean, you cannot... It's stupid. I like what C.S. Lewis is regarding in relation to the end of the world, he said, how are you going to know when the play has come to an end? He said, it's easy because the author of the play walks on to the stage and he said, Christ is coming. When he comes, it's the end of the world. I love that. I love that. So I think I know the answer to this, but very few people will want to ask this question and even fewer still will want to answer this question. Will anti-acemitism go away soon? No. Why is it not? Because as long as it look, it will one day it will stop and it's when Israel will no longer be a nation. In other words, I know that again. As long as Israel stand as a nation before God as a separate entity that he has promises to do that entity that are unique, as long as the world will hate it, because of the fact that they have an exclusive set of promises for them that is not even based on what you think about them and what their performance is. It's based on his sovereignty. But the day will come when God will make everything new, new heavens, new earth, new Jerusalem. In the new Jerusalem, there's no longer a need for the sun, the moon or the stars, because that's the day Israel will no longer be a nation before, because in the new Jerusalem, it's not about you or Gentile, it's about anyone whose name is written in the Lamb's Book of Life. Period. By the way, the time stamp on what you just said is known in scripture as the day of God. Absolutely. It's a single day that lasts forever. That's the day. Exactly. That's the beginning of eternity. Yes, the beginning is exactly right. And that's the moment anti-Semitism will stop. And people say, what about the millennial kingdom? Millennial kingdom? Jesus will reign from Jerusalem. All nations will come and celebrate the feast of time. There will still be sin. There's still going to be so much. In fact, the biggest rebellion against God in the history of planet earth will happen at the end of millennial kingdom. That's right. I don't think that anti-Semitism will die out. Even then, it will disappear with Israel. And you know, the Bible says in German 31, he says, as long as the stars and the moon and the sun are there, Israel will be a nation before me. But why did he say that? Because when it will not be the case, when the sun, the moon and the stars will no longer be there, then Israel will no longer be a nation before me says the Lord, which means he implies that there as long as this world as we know is going on, it's not going to happen. But the days coming when he will make everything new, new, new, new earth, new Jerusalem. And it's there. It's not about Jews and there's very seal, though you see the 12 tribes of Israel mentioned in the gates and the 12 apostles in the foundations. That's powerful, though. It's very powerful. Because even there, God is not really totally in eternity. He will remind them that exactly. It's not in the city. It's not US Congress. No, it's not Parliament. It's Israel forever. But in that habit of the New Jerusalem, we'll have to remember God's faithfulness, but they don't have to be Israel or Gentiles. That's it. It's over. So I believe until, and that's why it should make me sad that anti-Semitism will bound and will grow, will continue, will maybe even intensify. But the fact that I know it is the power because I know the end of the book. So if I know it's going to continue, I also know the date will disappear. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's so sad because as we're watching here in the States and the West, the Europe, the rise of Islam getting back to that, what people don't realize is that the Muslim has no hope of eternal life. They have no, they do not have a law of the Quran does not love. There's no love. It's not even mentioned. They have no assurance of salvation. They, I've told you this before, I was talking to a Muslim student at Cal Poly Pomona in LA County and on campus, and he said, he said, listen, he said, the truth of the matter is your message that you guys preach, you Christians, it's a far better message than what we preach. The only problem is your message isn't true, ours is true, yours is false, yours is better. But it's false. But it's false. In an interesting though, many people are hyping Islam and they're kind of afraid of Islam. I think personally, yeah, I don't, I don't know if other people share that opinion. I think that the Ezekiel war will bring Islam to radical Islam to an end. I truly believe that that will be the beginning of the Antichrist deceiving the world into a new thing because hundreds of millions of Muslims will see that all of their hopes to destroy Israel are not, they're not even being crushed by the idea. This is critical people. Listen to what you're saying. They're not crushed by the idea of war planes. It's not the F 35, not the generals of these Israel, not the prime ministers of Israel, not any of the politicians. We will not be able to withstand that war if it was up to us. God will intervene in a way that he described later on as that the world that will know that I am God, the nations will know that he will, it will be so powerful that the God of Israel supernaturally intervened on behalf of Israel to stop a massive radical Islamic invasion that is led by Russia. But it's with the radical elements of Islam of Iran and Turkey and Sudan and Libya and all of that will be crushed on the mountains of Israel by the God of Israel. Hundreds of millions of Muslims will say we never win against them. What's going on here? And so the Muslims I believe will start seeking for something else and I think also the Jews will have Messianic aspirations. Wow. And the Messianic aspiration of the Jews, the feeling that we are lost and we need to find something better of the hundreds of millions of Muslims around the world will be the fertile ground of the riser the Antichrist. And that's deception because the first three and a half years are terrible things. But the terrible things in the way that he will play with their minds and just see very exactly deceived them through peace and prosperity. It will be terrible, horrible, godless time. But it will also be a time when people will ask the big questions and people will actually take super, super risky decisions and what is a risky decision? To take the mark of the beast is a risky decision because that's it. You are signing an alliance and allegiance to the one that is Satan almost incarnate. You know, when you say this, it's terrifying to if you look at Islamic eschatology, what they say the Madi will say to them, what they say the Madi will do when you read it. It's the Antichrist. Absolutely. They are actually awaiting the Antichrist and when you it's amazing because Islam says they say he will bring us peace and prosperity and they talk about the wealth. The poorest man among us will be wealthier than any man that's ever and it's like, wow, that's Satan's plan. In fact, it's just a message. It worked in the Garden of Eden. But the Jews will wait for their Messiah. The Muslim will wait for their Messiah and obviously someone will emerge from the sea, that beast from the sea, unknown to people, someone from obscurity is coming and is rising and now he's introducing something that no one has ever seen before. He's getting this stamp of approval of a religious figure that has the appearance of a lamb, you know, the other false prophet. So he's getting this stamp of approval of a very highly regarded spiritual leader that exists already in the world. Yes, he's coming from the earth, not from the sea. And you see, it's for us, it's amazing to see how the world is pruned to. Everything is getting ready. See, I'm not afraid of Islam. Islam is gone. I think Muslims are going to come to a very sobering moment after Ezekiel war and they will start shopping for something better and more that brings more hope and that really bring peace. Look, everything that Islam brought to the world so far was war, death, war death, why do poverty, death, war, war death, poverty, poverty. I mean, it's amazing. And the only countries that are prospering right now are the countries that are not choosing their Muslim, but they're not choosing the path of jihad Islam. But they're saying, we're Muslims, they're Jews. They have the right to exist. They have the right to exist. We have the right to exist. Let's live together in harmony and let's let's do business. UAE is an example for that. I feel way safer in the UAE than I feel in Europe. Oh, yeah, unbelievable. I'm Paris and London. Yes, the UAE will not allow a single Palestinian to march into streets and say anything. This is amazing. What he just said, they don't allow it. They don't allow a Palestinian to protest or to speak up. In the post-October 7th drama, dynamic, when everybody was heading down toward southern Gaza, isn't it remarkable? What was, I don't want you guys to listen to me, listen to me say it. I want you to hear from them here. What was Egypt's response to their Palestinian brothers? They blocked. Did they build a wall? Double. More than one wall. It's the biggest wall I've ever seen. It's five walls that they have. Actually, they don't have one. They said not one Palestinian is coming into Egypt. Absolutely. The last thing we need is these people in our territory. No, everybody talked about blockade, siege, guys. Gaza has border with Israel and with Egypt. No one talks about Egypt. The Egyptians don't have one fence. They have five sets of fences. Yes. And they will shoot anyone that crosses it. But when it comes to the UAE, I just want to remind people that that's the fruit of the Abraham courts that were so critical, if I may say, to the prosperity of Israel nowadays. Oh, my. And the stability in the Middle East right now. And I also believe, and that's not fake peace. Fake peace is something else. That's real peace that we, in fact, our peace with the UAE is stronger, better than the one with Jordan and Egypt. It's only a few years. We have better relationship with them than we have with the Jordanians or the Egyptians, with whom we have peace for over 40 years. So I'm just saying this, this is amazing. But I do believe that all of that will eventually play a role in the Ezekiel war because in that Ezekiel war, part of the Arab world will oppose that invasion into Israel. That's right. They will protest. Yes. And who are they? She by any chance? Maybe in Peninsula. So we're watching prophecy being fulfilled. And it's so beautiful. I'm not afraid of the rise of Islam because I know exactly how it's going to fall also. But I am honestly, I'm more afraid of how Christians are being so easily deceived. This is my thing. I am looking at Christians that are not reading their Bible, not attending the history about this. Yeah. I have a, I have not a different view, but I have, this is what I think. Background, COVID hits. We see people who put faith in God and walk wisely. We see people lose all wisdom and are captured by fear, debilitating fear. So much so, some people who said they were believers turned on God and said, how could he allow me to get COVID like this? As time went on, this is me now. I concluded that from what I've seen, and this particular individual, they believed for a while, but when difficulty, persecution, or tribulation arises, right, they go back. And we will see more. I put them over there. So then BLM churches went from COVID shut down to Black Lives Matter. And they began to preach immediately. Look, you and I know some of these names. So a social gospel. And a lot of people followed them. And they're often the wayside now. And I've been watching this. The amazing thing is it didn't take 60 years to watch this. It's taken five, six years to watch this happen. And then what came next? Genderism. Yeah. No one in their right mind would have ever said out loud. I think a male and a female. I don't think it matters. I think you can be whatever you want. Let's be honest. The Bible warns us in the last days. Evil will be called good. Good will be called evil. In other words, illogic thinking. Hearts that have been that have been so anti-Christ that God gives them over for someone to say, well, I'm a biologist, but you can become a female if you're a male. It's impossible. But we watched it happen. And then we watch churches. I'm trying to mention, I'm trying to stay away from names like Andy Stanley and so forth like that. They embraced this stuff. And everybody was panicking. I was not panicking. People who know me, I never panicked about these things. And then the issue of a course abortion. And so there's Christians, Christians who say, it's okay. It's okay. And then ultimately now, I think ultimately, I'm sure there's something next. Boom, boom, like shotgun. Boom, boom, boom. Next thing. Big thing. Israel. You see what I'm saying? Oh, yes. And I'm telling friends that I know I'm actually embracing these moments. Why? How could you say that? This is not, this is not what people are printing. There's such a division in the church. I don't believe it. It's not a division. God is shaking and sifting. And those who had it comfortable could afford to be a Christian because it was comfortable. Now you've got to choose Bible versus feelings. And so people are landing with their feelings. And I'm watching this happen. I am actually embracing this time because it's separating as it were the truth from the false. The real believer from the false believer. Why? Because Jesus said narrow is the way and few people are on it. Broad is the way. And a lot of people are on that path, at least to destruction. And so, wow, my big question is this, gosh, Lord, you've done all these things in such rapid succession. Israel has got to be right up near the top. What's next? I mean, you got to think about it. If Israel is the big issue of debate right now, then what's next on the horizon? Because you think about it. The rapture and Calvinism and Armenianism. These things have been argued for years. I don't think that's the next argument. I don't know what the next argument is. Maybe Israel is the last argument. Or maybe when the Antichrist is rising just like you see, yeah, everything that is non-biblical is named church. Yeah, you'll have the church of the Antichrist. Yeah. Yeah. True. Because you're going to start worshiping. Yeah. I'm just saying it never ends. Because all the time, the choices that they make are against the Word of God. It doesn't matter where. And so, you know, I see that. Look, I'm not afraid. I am slightly disappointed from people that I thought they know better. Okay. People that do have platforms that once upon a time used to be conservative, edifying, educating. They were very good. And they just took some horrific turn to a rabbit trail that leads them to more and more and more and more and more anti-Semitic and to the point that that's all they do right now. That's right. All they do. That's it. They're completely drenched with that hatred of Israel and the Jewish people. And they demonize the Jewish people. Look, every time people resort to say the Jews, the Jews, remember, there's a problem here. That's right. There are bad Jews. There are bad Jews. Of course. Okay. There are bad Muslims. There's always powerful people that one might be a Jew, one being a non-Jew. But when you resort to the Jews, always in a general life, you know that there's a hidden, deeply rooted hatred that is surfacing right now, manifesting itself. And it's so easy to convince people because they all share the same thing. Look, there's TikTok right now is the most fertile ground for anti-Semitism. I'm not there. So I don't know what I'm being told that we're having a young generation that is completely being radicalized to the point that for them, Jew equals evil. Let's end with this. And I'll ask this question. You bring a concise answer back. And we'll be short. In other words, be short. Um, Abraham, Er of the Caldees, called by God. Yeah. Uh, was he a Gentile when he was called by God? Well, he obviously was not a Jew. He was not a Jew. I mean, he was the father of many nations. That's the next, my next question. He's not only a father of many nations, but is he not the father of the nation of Israel? Well, from his loins will come and nation. That's right. And nation. A nation has governments, has borders, has citizens. It's a kingdom, a nation. The Israel decree was given to Abraham. And it could be secular in their belief. Why do I say that? Because it's not Abraham also the father of all those who believe. Right? So he's unique. You know, people like to talk about American exceptionalism. I do too. And it's true. But the same God did this. America did not replace Israel. Nor did the church replace Israel. Israel is Israel. Unlike any other nation in the face of the earth, Israel is a nation with borders and governments. Israel is a people, right? And sort of like race in a way. They have their own unique DNA. You can draw, you can draw blood from a Jew, Israeli, and get a Hebrew connection. Exactly. Okay. You can draw blood from an American. And you'll get Germanic. You can get Portuguese. It's interesting. People need to realize Israel is unique in all kinds of ways. Religion, nationality, and race, and race. And here's what's a shocker. I love this and salvation for this reason. I agree with you. And salvation is the only nation we get all cocky. That's right. That's right. There's a national promise in the Bible given by God that there will be national salvation. That's not given to American folks. Nor is it given to Canada. Israel. And then ultimately, the gospel came first to the Jew. Read Romans 9, 10, and 11. Salvation was offered to the Jew first. The first guy that was told by Jesus himself, you have to be born again. Was Nicodemus the teacher of the Jewish people. And so give us your wrap-up of Abraham, the nation, the people, the blood, and under the banner of Habakkuk 2.4, the Joshua lived by faith. Yeah. But first of all, we have to understand that the promise that God gave to Abraham regarding Israel is a promise that included three things. It included land. It included seed. And then it included blessing. But they were together. Whenever God wanted to bless Israel, he brought them back to the land and multiplied them. So there's the land and the seed, which were part of God's seed. Absolutely seed. And whenever he punished them, he would disperse them out of the land. Okay. And then when the time came, and he wanted to have his name glorified and that his name will be known to all, he would bring them back to the land. He would bring the seed back to the land and again, multiply them. And that is exactly why we see today the enemy opposing the legitimacy of Israel as a seed and the legitimacy of them owning the land. It's the land, the seed, and the blessing that the enemy is turning it to the curse. They don't belong to the land and they're not the real Jews. All three things they attack. And these are the three things that are part of the Israel decree. The decree that God gave to Abraham, which by the way is different. It's not the covenant, the mosaic covenant that God says, I'm going to make a new one. The new covenant is because they broke the old covenant, the mosaic one. That's right. The one that he will he never conditioned is the one that was Abrahamic one. And that Israel will exist. The land is theirs. And the blessing will come and be manifested when he brings them back and he multiplies them again. And that's what we see today. We live in unbelievable time. Everyone that sits here, everyone that is watching it right now, we live in the most unbelievable time since the creation of planet earth. 100% true. We are watching that which the prophets were hoping for were thinking about were praying for here we are. That's right. We live to see that and the enemy knows that. So the enemy is attacking exactly the foundations of that decree. Exactly. Goes after them as illegitimate. Goes after the land that is supposedly not theirs. And then turn them into something that is of course, look, occurs Jewish people are held in the vast majority of Muslim traditions as a curse. That's right. You go to a devout Muslim, he'll tell you they're the problem. It's a curse. I pronounce curse upon them. They're a curse people. Go to TikTok. Jews equals evil curse evil. So you see God says they will be a blessing to the world. I'm giving them their land and I'm multiplying them. The enemy says they are a curse. It's not their land and they're not the real people. Amazing. So people hear it from all the time it's your turn. How does a Jew experience this salvation that you and I have in common? First of all, we know that as a nation, their national salvation is promised unfortunately only after the end of the tribulation. When physically Jesus will return to earth, then they look at him on day peers. But second Corinthians chapter three says that when an individual, yes, only when he turns to Christ, that veil is removed and the scales fall and it's a miracle. But this is, I believe, look, the church doesn't need to pray for the salvation of Israel at the end of the tribulation. It will happen. It's going to happen. The church needs to pray for the salvation of the Jewish people as individually now, exactly as individuals right now because that will cause them to not be in the tribulation and that will cause them now to serve him, now to be the light, now to be the soul and now to enjoy the fullness of being a God's, you know, God's part of God. So the Lamb of God, the atonement of God for the, for the individual Jew right now today is who is Yeshua. And if they would wait for, for, I mean, that's not what I think yet. No, that's not what they think. But if they read their Old Testament today, they will have to, they would have to listen to Abraham when he spoke with Isaac. Absolutely. And God, Abraham announced God will provide himself. Absolutely. The sacrifice. Yes. And when you read Isaiah 53, yes, you cannot run away from the fact that there will come a point when God will take one and upon him, he will place all the iniquities and the transgressions of the entire nation. Yes. The entire world, world. Yes. But by his drives were healed. All of us have gone astray. Each and every one of us went to his own way and God put upon him individual. And it's so big and so hard for the Jews to grasp because the Jews are work based. Okay. Work based. That means I earn my salvation. How can he take upon himself everything that I did for, for free? It's such a heartbreak because it's hard breaking. When God gave Moses the 10 commandments, he also gave him the instructions that in the day that you break these commandments, you can need a blood. It's hard breaking because they don't understand that the mosaic covenant has already expired already. That's right. And that is the reason he had to, and by the way, I learn about the New Testament in the Old Testament. In other words, the New, I did not need the New Testament to know that there is a New Testament. That's right. I read the words Brit Khadasha, New Covenant. I read it in Jeremiah 31 verse 31. That's what the New Testament is. Yes. And I'm like, whoa. And when I talk to it in Israeli today, and I say, you know that the New Testament is prophesied in the Old Testament. God says he will give Israel Brit Khadasha, New Covenant. No way. I opened the New Testament. The, uh, Jeremiah. I opened Jeremiah 31. Says, great to yourself. And they're shocked. Yeah. It's unbelievable. And then I show him Micah 5 and then I show him Isaiah and then I show him Zachariah the way he enters. You know, and then I show him his second return. Even do you know that every Jew in every morning prayer is praying. May our eyes will be hold your return to Zion with mercy. Your return. May our eyes, your return. The word return. He was here already. He will return. And you all pray. You all say you all ask. May our eyes will be hold your return to Zion with mercy. I didn't know that. Yes. It's part of the prayer. Every morning, every Jew is praying. I mean, they pray. Other things also like thank God that did not the male is saying thank God that did not make me a woman. Yes, or a dog or a gentleman. But guarding a woman, it's because men so appreciate that they don't have to go through all that women have to go through. They understand it's so much more difficult. It's, I mean, let's face it. I cannot be able to withstand the amount of pain and suffering. Are you saying that a man cannot give birth? Absolutely. Oh, we'll have to edit this show. Well, go ahead. Try. I'm just saying that women are way stronger. Absolutely. And thank God. And in the tech time, we don't have to go through all of that. But people always, you see, people will take that and so look at the Jews or the misogynist, they're like, no, we actually, we put, you know how the orthodox Jews for them, the woman is right here. It's like she is the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the Proverbs 31 woman. Yeah. Every Friday, they, they bless God for Proverbs 31 woman because that's amazing. Yes. You know, they don't, with Jews don't have to marry a nine year old girl in order to, you know, to, to, to feel like a superior. And it's, it's, it's, it's, it's how people cannot see this versus this. Yeah, this is really good. We have to end right at time. But man, just a couple of weeks ago, Lisa and I were in a Shabbat dinner in LA. And you saw it. And it was beautiful where the, the father of the home and the rabbi, the, the honor that they were giving to their wives, speaking to us and reading scripture over them and exalting the woman. And I thought, well, I told Lisa later on the whale wouldn't it be amazing if the world knew this? And if, if the world knew that there would have never been this strange feminist movement, they would have recognized, oh man, we need to listen to what's being said here because the woman is being exalted. And here's this man, you know, this man of tremendous achievement and global recognition is, is saying, and we're at the table. And, you know, he didn't turn red. He was proud about it, speaking about his wife. And he mentions Proverbs 31, right in front of us, every Shabbat dinner. It's Proverbs 31 that we pray over the women. And it's, you know, numbers six, 24 to 26, for nouns over the children. It's awesome. Thanks for being with us. Thank you. Love it. This Jack Kibb's podcast, as well as all the broadcast outreach opportunities, are listener supported. Will you consider partnering with us through a special gift? Go to jackhibb's.com to learn more and stay connected.