The War On Reality

0:00 Why would they be resentful? We're going to elevate the game. We're going to put more eyeballs on these young women's hard work, their lifelong hard work. And ultimately, like I said, I'm a black woman and I want to be respected as a black woman by the WNBA and everybody else. It's time that we put this cis-normative culture, this toxic cis-normative culture behind us, and we allow men, biological or assigned male at birth people like myself, to come out and be their true authentic self. I am, again, for everybody in the audience, sometimes identifying as a black transgender lesbian, and I'm proud. OK, what happens if no WNBA team picks you?

0:44 Well, I think based on my body of work in the game of basketball, what I bring to a team, what I bring to the league in terms of athleticism and skill, it would be a clear case of discrimination. And we plan to pursue every legal route possible to hold the WNBA to their standards. OK. Tennis uses genetic testing on athletes. Is that something you think every woman's sport should implement? Of course, yeah, I'd be in support of that. I mean, I don't want to take up any of the space that is dedicated to females assigned at birth or people assigned female at birth, but I do think I could help the WNBA, and if the language isn't clarified, then, of course, my sometimes identifying as a black transgender lesbian two-spirit would like a chance to play and help the other women elevate the game.

1:35 Well, Frank, what's the word on that? I mean, that is the new world reality that we're living with. What say you, Frank Durek? Well, Jack, what does the W in WNBA stand for? That's the question. Wonderful. Wonderful. No, I mean, come on. How can you be the WNBA and be unable to say that a female woman is someone that is the only kind of person that can be in our league, a biological female? And they don't want to say that, Jack. Because they're going to get so much heat from the woke left that says, oh, no, biological men who claim they're women are really women.

2:21 This is a war on reality, Jack. It's a war on reality that people are saying that. They're men biologically, but they can be women. Not only does that hurt women in women's sports and takes away scholarships from them as it does at the high school and college level, but it also puts everyday women at risk because if I can go into, say, some sort of gym and say I'm a biological or I'm a woman because I identify as a woman, I can go into a woman's changing facility. I can go into a locker room. I can go into a bathroom. And they can't say no unless they define women as a biological female.

3:01 You know, it's amazing about what you're saying. And we'll talk more about this, of course, obviously with this podcast. Frank, you and I are old enough to know that way, way, way back when, say, for example, the feminist movement, at first, nobody took it seriously. It was like, what are these, a couple of lunatic women? You know, I am woman, hear me roar. What are they doing over there? But at the same time, for the feminist movement to advance— They had to, no pun intended, but they had to neuter the narrative of what men are. They had to feminize men more. So what's funny to me, because this is how the loss of reality works, we want men to be more like women.

3:45 So here's a guy who says, okay, I'll be one. Okay. And now they're freaking out because he's doing what they actually set up to do in the first place. But now we are decades in to what is no longer a laughing matter. And that is the war on reality, which you and we're going to be talking about the book that you've written, The War on Reality, that very thing put out by Harvest House. And I cannot encourage people enough to. to get this book. I had the joy of going through this book before it went to print. Everybody needs this book.

4:25 Frank, I prayed for you earlier, and I prayed that this book would not be a bestseller. I prayed that it would be a bestseller and a phenomenon because the truth that is articulated in this book, Frank Turek style, which is remarkable, has got to be heard today. It's got to be heard today. And let's roll back the hands of time, if you don't mind. This is sensitive, Frank. for a moment. And that is the war on reality when it came home directly in front of your eyes regarding our good friend, Charlie Kirk. I mean, that was the personification of the war on reality. What can you share about that?

5:06 What do you feel comfortable with sharing with our audience regarding the level of reality that war when you saw what took place with Charlie as you stood there? Well, Jack, we were there because Charlie and I were working together. I was trying to help him answer questions on a college campus related to Christianity. And he considered me a mentor. But, you know, it can be difficult mentoring somebody smarter than you. Charlie was smarter than me. Yeah. Although it wasn't hard with Charlie because the only thing that exceeded his intellect was his humility. Like, I mean, you were a mentor to him as well, right? The few things that both of us knew that he didn't know, he wanted to know.

5:49 And that's what made him so effective was because he had so many people around him who were further down the road than he was. And he could learn from them and then apply it immediately. He was so bright. But a couple of things that have come from that since then, Jack. One is evil is real. When you see it happen in front of you, you see a very good friend of yours murdered in front of you. You realize how real evil is. And so many times here in America, we are kind of sheltered from that. But there are 50 Charlie Kirks who are murdered every day in Nigeria, and we don't even hear about it.

6:31 martyrdom happens quite a bit around the world. We don't hear about it. So the first thing that has become much more prominent since last 9-10 was evil is real. The second thing that has become real important and prominent in my mind is the importance of the gospel and eternity. Because, and there is a resurrection, at the end of the day, it does not ultimately matter if you live like a murderer or a missionary, if you live like the alleged killer, Tyler Robinson, or you live like Charlie Kirk. Why? Because if there is no God and there is no resurrection, then we're all ultimately gonna wind up in the same place, nowhere, we're just gonna go out of existence.

7:18 So there's no ultimate meaning, which means it doesn't matter really how you live here, but you and I both know, and our listeners and viewers both know, there is true meaning to life, there is a reason we're here, we're here to know God through Jesus and to make him known. That's what Charlie was doing, That's what we're trying to do when we go to college campuses. That's what you do every Sunday and every Wednesday there at Calvary Chapel Chino Hills. You're trying to show people that Christ is real and you can know God through him and be saved and sanctified. And ultimately... We're going to be with him just like Charlie is now. He's absent from the body and present with the Lord. So there can't be a more important message than that, that there is an eternity, and you're either going to be on one side or the other.

8:02 You're going to be with Jesus, which means you're going to get grace, or you're going to be without Jesus, which means you're going to get justice. And Jack, I don't want justice from an infinitely just being. If I got justice, I would be toast. I would be the... the toast right alongside you. I'd be the other slice. Completely agree. Frank, just help me walk through this, what I'm going to try to articulate. What you just said is so true. People can deny it, but they're going to be denying truth. That said, isn't it amazing where, yes, we had a chance to pour into Charlie's life Charlie became, people could watch this, Charlie became more of a truth teller in the realm of, he was always a truth teller.

8:51 Right. But people who followed him from early on, he was very savvy and very much a truth teller in the realm of society and politics and issues and policy. And more and more, he began to get confident in his faith. and he grew stronger in his theology. And that theology began to come out. Charlie became more winsome. You and I saw him literally under the control of the Holy Spirit in hostile environments, and he maintained a witness and became more winsome to those who are willing to accept truth.

9:36 I put this forth to you. The more biblical Charlie got... the more beautiful Charlie became. Yes. And yet the more hated he became among those who hate truth. In other words, and I try to say this respectfully, knowing that we know Erica and love her, It wasn't just Charlie that took a bullet that day. There was something that was bigger that took a bullet that day, but thank God it cannot die, and that is truth itself. That guy shot at truth. It was what Charlie was saying that was biblical truth. Love your neighbor.

10:17 When he said, give that person, listen, don't laugh at this person. Let them speak. Let them ask their question. He was being just like Jesus to them. And then he would come back with a biblically rooted answer. I would say to you, Frank Turek, because truth is so important and so on the line, that in a way, it was biblical truth. that finally tipped the scale, that this person that was evil couldn't take it anymore. They just had to respond, grinding teeth, whatever it might be, they are going to silence the messenger of truth. And none of us, right, Frank, none of us as Christians should be surprised that the world would come against truth.

11:06 No, we are called to suffer for him. And Jesus famously said, count it all joy, essentially, when you experience insults and persecution on account of my name, because great is your reward in heaven. Uh, you know, really Tyler Robinson, the alleged killer, if the evidence is what it seems to be, was someone that claimed Charlie was a fascist. Yeah. We all know, Jack, that a typical fascist tactic is to hand the microphone to your opponent and say, please, let me hear your case. Why don't you make it? And we'll have a dialogue. No, the fascist, ironically, was Tyler Robinson, not Charlie Kirk.

11:51 And yes, the reason, as you just mentioned, that he had to kill Charlie was because – As Paul describes in Romans chapter one, he was suppressing the truth so much that it ultimately led to a depraved mind where he knew he couldn't kill God. So he tried to kill God's representative. There you go. And he's killing God's representative, not realizing, of course, the truth doesn't change even if you kill the truth teller. Reality doesn't change just because you kill the truth teller. It's still wrong to do what he was doing and to live the lifestyle he was living. And out of love, Charlie was trying to reach out to people who were struggling in that trans relationship in which Tyler Robinson found himself.

12:37 And Charlie was trying to help people, and instead they killed him for it, or at least Tyler Robinson did. But it's a little bit bigger than that, Jack, as you know. Right after Charlie was murdered, there was a survey done, and we may have this in the war on reality. I'm trying to remember if we included the survey, but I'll say it now anyway. Anyway. that about 3% of very conservative people, Jack, believe that it's okay to use violence sometimes to advance a political point of view. 25% of very liberal people think that. Translation, Very liberal people are more than eight times more likely to commit violence to advance a political idea than are conservatives.

13:20 Why is all of this violence coming from the left? I think the answer is, Jack, they can't win on the merits. They can't actually argue for their position because their position doesn't comport with reality. Quite often, it's self-contradictory as well, Jack. I mean, they'll say things like there is no truth. And you ask them, is that true? Is it true that there is no truth? You know, I mean, they're claiming there is no objective morality, but they think you're objectively wrong if you disagree with them. Right. They claim math is racist, Jack. That just doesn't add up with me. They claim that reason is a tool of oppression as they try and use reason to advance their points.

14:03 I mean, it's a self-contradictory worldview. And when people realize that, instead of trying to argue it, they resort to violence. It's tragic. Yeah, it's remarkable. And somebody might be watching this podcast right now and saying, oh, Frank Turk, that's a horrible thing to say. You're insinuating that a lot of these people who are of the progressive leftist side of things are committing the crimes of violence like this. Answer, yes. That's exactly what's happening. Go look at the information and the data and the investigations that finally get out over time. And it's not only that, Frank, but the war in reality, which you've articulated in this great book, it's gotten to a point where culturally, we better wake up because it's very frightening.

14:54 And I mean it this way. Why is it that there is an overwhelming propensity from violent crimes that are most often used by firearms against conservatives being done by transgender, LBGTQ, community members, is there some sort of a link to this? You mentioned Romans 1. This is going to sound just absolutely absurd to people, and it's going to infuriate people. But Romans 1, God says, because they did not like to retain God in their thoughts, he gave them over to a reprobate mind.

15:34 And one of the manifestations of the reprobate mind, he says, God says, is that they begin to have unbridled passions, men for men and women for women, doing that which is unnatural, unscientific. How about that? Unscientific. And we see that today, but nobody wants to talk about it. But this is just one, you and I have just spent several minutes just talking about this particular sliver of the war on reality regarding this violence or this hatred of truth or genderism. But... This applies to everything everywhere because we know that the Bible says in the book of Isaiah that in the last days, people are going to call good evil and evil good.

16:21 Yes, yes. And I love the graphics on the front of the book, the war on reality. It's got reality, of course, upright where you ought to be able to read it, and then it's got it inverted. And years ago, a woman by the name of Ann Coulter wrote a book, and I'll mess it up, but it has something to do with trying to communicate to a liberal mind. And she says it's almost impossible. Why? Because your cover describes it perfectly. They view things completely inverted, and to them, it makes perfect sense. It makes perfect sense to them. And so we are the ones that are illogical. We're not, Frank Turek is not loving because he should be more loving.

17:01 He needs to open up the confines or the fence to broader thinking about what is truth. So what does Frank Turek say regarding the nature of truth? Well, the nature of truth, truth is what corresponds to reality, and reality is just the sum of all truths. And only God knows all of reality, quite obviously, because he's the one that knows all truths. But when you suppress truth, when you try and suppress truth to go your own way, Then you're given over to futile thinking, as Paul says, and then to a depraved mind. Let's give an example of this that doesn't have anything to do with sexuality because people get all spooled up when you start talking about sexuality.

17:45 Jack, you and I both know we've been married. I've been married over 40 years. So have you, right? Yep. And when you put two broken people in one relationship, sometimes there's going to be trouble, right? You and I have both had situations where our wife said something to us that we knew was true, but we didn't like it. That's right. It's called marriage. We get aggravated back. Why is that? When we intellectually know that she's right, but we still get adamant and mad about when they call us on it. Because we're depraved, we want to suppress the truth. And when we suppress the truth long enough, If we continue to try and hold that down and somebody calls us on it, we're gonna lash out.

18:34 In fact, Jay Budziszewski, who's a professor down at UT Austin, a Christian, likens our conscience to a wildcat, a bobcat. If you just pet a bobcat, it might be okay, but if you try and press a bobcat's head down, it's gonna come out swinging. And if you try and hold down the truth long enough and somebody calls you on it, you're gonna come out swinging. And that's what happens. That's called sin. We have this sin nature and we wanna lash out at people when they're telling us the truth. That's what happened with Tyler Robinson and Charlie. Charlie was telling him the truth and he didn't wanna hear it.

19:16 Now, let me go back to what you said earlier. I'm not saying that leftists are violent. The data is saying that. Now, it's still a minority, thankfully. It's still a minority, thankfully. Most trans people are not violent. But as a subgroup, they're more violent than any other group. Why is that? Why is that? They're suppressing the truth. They may have some mental illness involved too. There's issues there and it's not loving. Here's one of the biggest problems we highlight in the book too, Jack. Our culture, even many in the church, not Calvary Chapel, Chino Hills, but because you're teaching truth all the time, But a lot of people in the church think love means approval.

20:01 Jack, love does not mean approval. In the passage that everybody reads at their wedding, but nobody obeys, 1 Corinthians 13, Paul says, love rejoices in the truth. It does not rejoice in wrongdoing. Love always protects. Love always perseveres. In other words, if you want to love somebody, you don't approve of everything they do. That's unloving. If they want to do evil, you don't approve of it. You would be enabling evil. If you've got a 13-year-old kid who wants to do evil, do you approve of what they want to do? No, you stand in the way of it. And so love doesn't mean approval. Yet people on the other side of what we're saying right now, Jack, are going to say we're unloving if we don't approve of them.

20:42 Meanwhile, we are loving because we're trying to warn them what you're doing isn't going to turn out well for you, not now or in eternity. And secondly, notice, although they say love means approval, they don't approve of us. Yet they'll say they love us, right? That's a great point. So love doesn't mean approval. That's a great point. It's remarkable, Frank, because if you and when you, with truth, disagree with those that are harming themselves, meaning they're adopting a lifestyle practice that we know from both Scripture— that when the scripture says you shouldn't do this, you're going to harm yourself. Isn't it amazing that science backs up that very biblical truth?

21:24 Yeah. Because the book of Romans, again, chapter 1, tells us that when they do practice same-sex engagement that it says in Romans very subtly, but it's very dangerous. It's very, very telling. It says that they receive within themselves the due recompense of their actions. Translation, because of their external physical contact with unsanctioned flesh, according to God's laws, They partake of the same homo, sapient, same homo, same female, female, male, male protein exchange to whereby now on the inside of their body, they actually begin to assault their immune system to the point where...

22:11 that the due recompense of their error of their way is their liver. For example, Proverbs talks about this, your liver. The Bible knows that sexual immorality causes liver damage. Isn't that amazing? It took us thousands of years to find that out. The fact of the matter is you cannot dabble in not only drugs and, and things that are not sanctioned by God, but when you cross that line of sexual immorality, um, that is a violation of truth, you're doing a whole lot of damage to your thought process. You're doing a whole lot of damage to your ability to discern. It's way deeper than all of that. And so today, in fact, I think you told me this years ago, that America seems, if not the world, seems to have a new religion, and that religion is sex, sexual gratification at all costs.

23:04 Forget about Baptist, Islam, Buddhism, conservative, liberal, it's sex. Don't tell me what I can and cannot do. I'm going to do my own thing. And you said it beautifully. If I were to say to my child or to a stranger, you know, you ought not to do that because it could kill you. I mean, you might have to duck. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It's absolutely wild. Well, the end of Romans one even is more direct when it says, not only do people who do these things practice these things, they give hearty approval to others doing the same. Notice we now actually have cheerleaders You saw it a couple of weeks ago, Jack, in Massachusetts.

23:50 We had cheerleaders for a governor that signed a bill that would allow a woman to kill her unborn baby up to the moment of birth. And they're cheering this on. Do you remember years ago when Bill Clinton used to say, I want abortion to be safe, legal, and rare? Right. OK, well, why do you want it to be safe and legal and rare? Why do you why does it have to be rare? If it's rare, it shouldn't be legal. Right. OK, because there's something wrong with it. If something's good, why should it be rare? That's right. Now we have people who are actually saying shout your abortion and it's a good thing. And they all applauded this. Yep. They applauded this. I want to ask people, Jack, this question.

24:34 who are considering killing their own children, whenever is killing your own child a solution to one of your problems? Do you really think that's a good solution? I've got a problem. Whether it's economic, spiritual, moral, social, You think that the right solution is to kill your own offspring? Really? Yeah, and think of this, Frank. If you were to stop and ask them, why do you think that's a problem? Wait, you have a problem? What's your problem? I'm pregnant. I'm going to kill my offspring. Why do you think that? First of all, on what premise, on what grounds, what is your logic that has brought you to the conclusion that it's a problem?

25:19 Because in any other culture, at any other time, it's a blessing. Yeah. Yeah. The Bible says it's a blessing. Well, I don't believe in the Bible. Okay, let's throw the Bible off the table. Science says just by science, which has no emotion. According to science, when a man and a woman get together, married or not, we're just talking science. When biology happens, another human comes out. That's awesome. Yeah. That's a blessing. That's a blessing. So what is your problem? Oh, I see. Your problem is this is an inconvenience. That's right. This child disrupts. If this child is brought into this world, it's going to take away from me time.

26:03 And... You know, the old saying, two wrongs don't make a right. Hey, Frank, you mentioned in this great book, everybody, The War on Reality, You've Got to Get It. Frank, where do they get it? I assume, by the way, I assume one author to another. I think you and I know this, but maybe our audience doesn't. To make this book a big success, pre-orders are key, right? Go to Amazon. Go to Amazon and order. Dr. Frank Turek's book, co-authored with Phoenix Hayes, The War on Reality, get in line and get it. Sign up for it on Amazon. Free orders will catapult this up in the algorithm of Amazon.

26:45 And it tells Amazon that this is what people want to read. Look, Amazon's in it for the money. They don't care what's inside this book. They don't care what's in it. They want to make money. That's okay. Let them make the money. Let's get the message out. So I'm asking all of our viewers... To order this book now, please order this book now. Note the date of this podcast release. Go there now. Get this book. Bump it up on Amazon. And then Costco will get it. Barnes & Nobles will get it. They follow what Amazon does. It's part of the science of it all. But you got to get Frank Turek into your home in this excellent book. Frank, it's really the genre of your entire life.

27:27 As long as I've known you, and that's why I love hanging out with you and just spending time with you and having you even speak at our church, is that you are a truth teller. Folks, Frank's a truth teller. on a program in the pulpit or when we're down in Balboa getting an ice cream bar. Frank's a truth teller. He never changes. He's the same guy. And I so much appreciate that about you. So, Frank, with that, I want to ask you this question. You claim, I say you claim, I know, but you claim in this book, War and Reality, that on several fronts, I'll say various fronts, that there's a war and reality regarding the topic of, of God himself, the war on reality of human rights or Christian nationalism or immigration.

28:15 I mean, you name it. If truth is there, there's a war on it. Can you elaborate on that? Yeah, sure. There's so many topics the book covers because there's so many wars out there that people are fighting against reality. So is there a war on God? Of course there is. They want to keep God out of any mention in public life, Jack. And you and I both know that... belief in God, particularly belief in the Christian God, is what established this country to begin with. And it was John Adams who said that our country or our constitution is made for only a holy, religious and moral people. It is inadequate to govern any other. He wrote to Thomas Jefferson in 1813 and said to Jefferson, the only way that we were able to start this country was because it was founded on Christian principles.

29:03 And yet you've got people trying to keep God out of society completely. Jack, J.D. Unwin back almost 100 years ago at Oxford did a study in 1934 of 86 civilizations And he discovered that 100% of the time, 100% of the time of these 86 civilizations, when they relaxed their standards of sexuality and then actually advocated for sexual immorality, in other words, when they abandoned God completely, when they went totally pagan, 100% of the time within 100 years, every one of those civilizations had collapsed, either from within or without.

29:49 Now, I think, Jack, if you look back, That countdown clock began in this country in 1973. Why? Because that's the year we legalized, the Supreme Court did, abortion. That's the year that the APA, the American Psychological Association, I think it was, or the, I can't remember what organization it was. Anyway, they said that homosexual behavior was no longer a disorder. Oh, correct. It's also the year that the Endangered Species Act came out. You go, what does that have to do with it? Because endangered species became more important and protected than human beings.

30:30 Yeah, yeah. An eagle egg of $1,500. $1,500 fine, three years imprisonment if you break an eagle egg. Right, but you could kill a baby, a human baby. And so we're like 54 plus years, 53 plus years into this 100-year countdown, Jack. If we don't somehow turn around by pointing out that God does exist, you are not him, I am not him, There's a standard out there that we've all fallen from. And Jesus is the one who came to live that standard for us. And by trusting in him, we're not only forgiven, but given his righteousness. If we can get that word out and transform our society, maybe we will not collapse in the next 50 years.

31:18 And by the way, if I could summarize this in three short sentences, I think this is the story of the Bible in three short sentences. God created it. We broke it, Jesus fixed it. 100%. God created it, we broke it, Jesus fixed it. And the war on reality right now, when it comes to God, is people are trying to deny God exists. Meanwhile, Jack, they're claiming they have certain rights. But there are no rights unless God exists. Exactly. Right? Everything's a matter of opinion if there is no God. Exactly. So on one hand, they're trying to have the benefits of God while they, on the other hand, deny he exists. This is a war on reality, Jack.

31:58 It's amazing because the beauty of our founding fathers, which, listen, wonders of wonders, if people just stopped to read these guys, they would hear things like this, that we believe what no other country, government, had ever declared before, that we have been granted certain unalienable rights, that among these are the pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness. And that is something that's given by God. People want their version of life, their version of happiness, their version of liberty and freedom. But don't you dare interrupt my life with your interpretation of it.

32:40 It's so remarkable. People, like you said, their hair catches on fire because they don't have an argument. Somebody sent me a note just the other day and they said... They said, hey, pastor, you're so outspoken because you never make yourself available to go into a debate. Well, first of all, I never think about debates because I'm a pastor teacher. I'm kind of busy. That's why God invented Frank Turek to go do debates. But they don't know you. You're married. You debate every day. So do I. I lose every day, too. That's brilliant. That's brilliant. Yeah. Why would I go public?

33:20 I'm tired of losing privately. You got Lisa hammering you in private every day, Jack. That is so good. And the thing is this. I thought about that guy's challenge for a while. And I thought, wait a minute. I get in debates with people out in front of the foyer every Sunday and Wednesday before and after service. And to be honest with you, Frank, after 37 years of ministry, I don't think I've ever changed anyone's mind. Now, that's just a reflection of how pathetic of a debater I am. But the point is this. In most cases, the person—here's my point to this— They have a predetermined passion and love for where they're at.

34:06 They want me to agree with them. And so they say something like this. Hey, come on, man. You want a piece of me? Actually, I really don't care. I'm actually going over here. I don't want a piece of you. Do you want a piece of me? No, you calm down. I don't even... Look, if you want to believe in pink unicorns with wings, that's your business. And they get upset and... If I'm going to let them just live with that, they want me to say, no, no, you are correct. You are all wise. Yes, I agree. They won't stop until they hear me say, I agree. And that is a mental illness. Yeah, you need affirmation.

34:47 And so many people who have been suppressing their consciences and suppressing the truth— They crave affirmation because they know in their hearts, Jack, that what they're doing is wrong. So they need other people to tell them, no, it's okay. You can continue to do it. You know, Charlie used to talk about this all the time. First they'll claim you ought to tolerate them. Then they'll claim you need to accept what they're doing. Then finally you need to celebrate what they're doing. I mean, Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack. Wow. People who... have given their lives for this country, get one day, Memorial Day, but somehow we have a whole month for a same-sex behavior?

35:37 Why is that? It's sick. Do we have our priorities? Inverted. Just inverted somehow? Inverted, like the cover of the book. Inverted, reality's been inverted. Good is evil, evil is good. Wow. Hey Jack, I wanna mention one thing. If people too do pre-order the book, and by the way, honestly, this is not about money because you don't make a lot of money on books unless you're a million seller. And I'm not a million, actually I am a million seller. I got a million of these, Jack. I got a million of these in my seller. But if they do pre-order the book, first of all, even if they don't pre-order the book, if they go to thewaronreality.com, they're going to see the foreword written by Erica Kirk.

36:27 It didn't make the first edition of the book because it came in a little late. Erica was busy. But it is a very profound foreword in which she says this, I had a new reality that came upon me on September 10th. And the only thing that gives me peace is not fighting that reality, but surrendering to it. And at the end of the day, Jack, there are two options we as human beings have. We can either rebel or we can repent. And for those who are rebelling against reality, and the author of reality is Jesus himself, The only thing you're gonna get ultimately is justice from an infinitely just being.

37:12 Absolutely. And you don't want that. What you want is grace, but that takes repentance because God is not gonna force you into heaven, into his presence against your will. But if they do order the book and they go there and they put their receipt for the book in that website, thewaronreality.com, we're going to send them right now chapter 10. And the reason we're sending them chapter 10, Jack, because I think chapter 10 is probably the key to understanding why there's a war on reality. And here it is. There's a chart in chapter 10, and it points out that... People who are warring against reality view reality as an unending conflict between people who are called oppressors and people that are called oppressed.

38:02 I want to say it's on page like 192 or something, Jack, something like that, 193 maybe. I'm on 202 right now. You've got a chart there. I may not be the right. I think it's 192, 192. Oh, very good. It's 192. I'm looking at it right now. 191 and 192. Yeah. Okay. That chart says the way that many people in our culture look at things is by this oppressed oppressor kind of binary. And they say, you're an oppressor if you're white, if you're heterosexual, if you are identifying as a male and that's your gender identity, your cisgender, so to speak, if you're a Christian, if you're a citizen, if you are well off economically and you are a colonializer, according to them.

39:01 And I would throw in a capitalist. Yeah, a capitalist, exactly, yeah. So if you have any of those characteristics, you're automatically deemed somebody who is an oppressor. On the other hand, If you are a non-Christian, if you are a non-heterosexual LGBTQ. Marxist. Yeah, if you're a Marxist, if you're a non-citizen, if you're not well off, then you're automatically considered oppressed. And it doesn't matter if your behavior is morally good or bad personally, you're automatically always going to be deemed in the right. And anybody who is an oppressor is automatically deemed to be in the wrong.

39:45 And by the way, if we go back to the murder of Charlie Kirk. Notice that Charlie had every one of the characteristics that according to these people made him an oppressor. He was a white heather sexual Christian who was a citizen of the United States who also was well off financially. So he's automatically an oppressor and Tyler Robinson appears to be radicalized against such an oppressor. By the way, that fact that Charlie was a young man who was well off, let's be accurate. Charlie Kirk at a very young age started a business and turned it into an empire and made every penny. And I don't know about you, I know about me, I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth and whatever I've, you know, woe on me that I was directed by my dad on my 18th birthday to start buying certain stocks and investing in the United States.

40:39 And people will say to me, oh, what do you know about eating pork and beans? Oh, really? Why don't you ask Lisa and I? Because for about 30 years of our marriage, that's all we ate. We made it. We were a one-income family. That's how we lived. And then now that we're older. And we're not rich, but we can kind of do what we want to do. Oh, look at you. You're privileged. Excuse me? I worked my fingers to the bone to be able to take that vacation or to whatever that might be. That said, Frank, maybe I need some personal counseling right now. Am I wrong? Is there something wrong with me?

41:20 When you just articulated and described... on that page, I think 192 of those people on that chart. Am I wrong? I've never, they've never bothered me. I've never taken them seriously because I know what truth is. I know that I have had my jobs and my careers and my education. I'm not threatened. by that. I'm not threatened by my faith that I have. I don't need to hide it. My house has an American flag on it. I don't cover it up. I don't take their threat seriously.

42:01 Am I missing something, Frank? Should I be worried about it? Well, as the culture continues to get more and more to radicalize, Jack, unfortunately, it appears to be that the left is the more violent of the two sides. As we mentioned earlier, they're eight times more apt to say violence is okay to put forth a political viewpoint than someone considered very conservative. So it is a problem. So Frank, if I asked them, if they said that to me, If I were to say, well, wait, wait, excuse me. Well, I have my political views. Is it okay for me to exercise violence to advance my political views?

42:43 Oh, they'll say absolutely not, Jack. What? Tell me, tell us. What would they say? Yeah. Yeah, they would say no because you're wrong and you need to be oppressed anyway, right? See, I'm laughing again, sorry. It's insane. This oppressed oppressor binary here is why you get gays for Gaza. Now you go, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, gays for Gaza? How does that make any sense? Because if the gays go to Gaza, they're immediately gonna be murdered, right? Why would they be for Gaza, so to speak? Because the enemy of my enemy is my friend. They are considered on the oppressed side of the ledger.

43:27 And so what they're going to do is align with one another, even though if, say, the Islamists got power, they would immediately kill them. The people that are considered themselves gays for Gaza. And by the way, this is one of the origins of the word useful idiot. Because way back, talking about Iran, Jack, for just a second, way back in 1979, Jimmy Carter gave us the... Ayatollah basically he allowed the Ayatollah To go into Iran and he got the Shah out now why did he do that Well one of the reasons was That the college kids in Tehran and in Iran Started to think oh it would Be good to get rid of the Shah and bring the Ayatollah in and as soon As the Ayatollah came in what Did he do to those college kids He executed many of them and they're going Wait a minute we were for you You know what?

44:24 Frank do you remember Why they were for him? You know, Solomon said there's nothing new under the sun. What was it? You go back and the Ayatollah and his party members of the regime, the selling point for them to vote for him, which was an overwhelming amount of young people, like you just said, was free education with a free monthly stipend you would receive from the government if you vote for me. Sound familiar? Socialism. Yeah, yeah. It's happening again. Ladies and gentlemen, I was going to say, there's no such thing as free. Somebody's paying, by the way. And in fact, here's a litmus test on this, Jack.

45:06 How many people do you know in Florida who are getting on rickety boats to escape to Cuba? Oh my goodness, can you believe it? Nobody, Jack. You would stand there on the shore all day long and get bored to death because it ain't happening. That's right. How many caravans are going from the United States to Venezuela? Yeah. None. It's all the opposite direction. Why? Because we have a system that understands human nature, Jack. We understand human nature, okay? You just, listen to what you just said. Watch this. But this is what's happening in America. People are getting, so to speak, on rickety boats, and they're leaving California to go to Florida.

45:50 They're leaving California to go to Tennessee or to Texas or to Idaho. It may not be happening in Florida, but it is happening in California because people, the socialist model has broken down and busted in California, total Democrat control. It's not that it's total Democrat control. What's worse than that is that it is progressive leftism in California that has driven over 1 million people out of California. And they reestablish their businesses in other places. Think about Elon Musk.

46:32 By the way, the rumor is, I'm not going to say who told me so, but Elon Musk wants to come back to California. He loves California. Well, it's beautiful. He's moved businesses out of California. He moved himself out of California, but he wants to be coming back to California. Why? Because the socialist way of a handful of... of leaders will control the masses. It's called Sacramento, folks. And you need to wake up to that. Frank, before we begin to wrap this up, I want to tell people about a cruise that you and I are going to be hosting. And it is going to be June 19, June 12, excuse me. In fact, look at our stunning graphics.

47:16 How can they not come when they see that, Jack? How can they resist the PR pamphlet you put together, Jack? Boom. I'll tell you how confident Frank and I are going to be about how great this conference is going to be. It's going to be so great. We don't even need super graphic people. It's going to be so good. The bold stand cruise of all the Hawaiian islands, June 12th to the 19th. You can go to jackhibbs.com and sign up. Can they go to your website and sign up? Yeah, but it's just going to take you back to jackhibbs.com. Oh, okay. Listen. They can go to crossexamine.org and click on it. Yeah. Yeah, you guys ought to join us. We've got almost 800 people signed up right now.

47:57 I think we've got room for about 100 more people. You ought to join us. You're going to be hearing dialogue just like this on that trip. But Frank, as we wrap this up, just shotgun, tell me why I should get your book. Just let Frank Turek riff now on this. Why do I need to get the book, The War on Reality? Well, Jack, because there are so many people out there who are warring against reality, whether it's people saying that there are an infinite number of genders or men can have babies or math is racist or the fact that they think reason is a tool of oppression or marriage doesn't require a man or a woman and medically transitioning children is somehow compassionate and abortion is healthcare.

48:39 And in order to solve racism, we just need a little bit more racism. I mean, there are so many problems that we have to deal with, and we deal with them in the book. Let me give, and by the way, there are sections in the book like... where we have real practical things. Like what if your kid comes to you and says, mom, dad, I'm trans, what do you do? We tell you, here's some questions you ought to ask, right? What happens if people say, well, you know, you can't get involved in politics because the politics is gonna get in the way of the gospel. And so we have a whole chapter on that. In fact, let me just give you two reasons out of 10 we have in the chapter on can you legislate reality, okay? People will say, pastors will say, you know, I don't get involved in politics, Pastor Jack.

49:24 I just preach the gospel, right? And to which I'll respond to them, I guess you don't think the gospel is very important then. And they'll say, well, what do you mean? Exactly. I'll say, because politics affects your ability to preach and live the gospel. If you don't think so, go to some of the countries I've been to. I've been to Iran. There's no First Baptist Church of Tehran. I checked. I've been to Saudi Arabia. There's no Calvary Chapel of Mecca. It's not there. I just got back from Egypt not long ago. You wanna start a church in Egypt, Jack, they're gonna give you trouble politically. So for no other reason you have to be engaged politically is to protect your ability to preach and live the gospel. Second reason, we're called to love people.

50:04 And you're not loving people if you have an opportunity to put laws in place that protect them from evil and you don't take it. In fact, here's probably the litmus test, the litmus question you can ask anybody, Jack, on this, and that is this. for people who say I don't get involved politically, I ask them, are you telling me that Christians 160 years ago should not have gotten involved in politics to outlaw slavery? Is that what you're saying? Exactly. Let's see what they say. Oh, they're going to go, well, of course. Welcome to politics, ladies and gentlemen. Look, if you don't think Christians ought to be involved in politics, are you saying only atheists are qualified to run the country? Because I can tell you this. I can tell you who is involved in politics, and that's Satan.

50:45 All right. So we're salt and light. Jesus told us to be salt and light. Let's be salt and light so we can protect our ability to preach and live the gospel, number one. And number two, so we can love people by putting laws in place and policies in place that protect innocent people from evil. This this thing in in in in California and in Massachusetts about killing your baby all the way up to the moment of birth should not happen when Christians are engaged. It never should happen. And yet it does. It won't happen if Christians get engaged. So as we end this, by the way, everybody, get the book, The War and Reality, Dr. Frank Turek. Sign up for the Bold Stand Cruise. It's going to blow your mind. Plus, you're going to be going throughout the Hawaiian Islands with us.

51:28 But this is where we're going to end, Frank. You inspired me to turn to 1 Timothy 6, verse 20. Old King James says, listen carefully, Old King James. O Timothy, guard what has been committed to your trust, Avoid the profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called science. What a statement. Friends, listen. Frank Turek, wherever you can, follow him. Frank, what are the sites that they can follow you and your great post, your great, yeah. Cross-examine.org is our website. You can get to everything from there.

52:08 Cross-examine with a D on the end of it. We have a podcast twice a week. I don't have enough faith to be an atheist podcast. We're on TV. We're on the American Family Radio Network. We're on the Real Life Network. Real Life Network. With the great Jack Hibbs. I don't know if you know that guy. He's really good. He's really good. The great Jack Hibbs. You get the real, we have an app, the cross-examined app. You have the, uh, Your app, Jack, we're on there. We are on YouTube all over the place because we do a lot of college campus events. I appreciate the prayers of people when we go to a college campus. We have over 3,500 videos on our YouTube channel, cross-examine two words. Many of them are Q&As from the college campus, Jack.

52:50 And we're gonna start September 1st, With our first college event this summer or this fall semester, it's going to be at Western Carolina University. And we're doing Jesus versus the war on reality because Jesus is the truth. Yet there's a war on reality. People are rebelling against reality. What can we do about it? We're going to cover conspiracy theories because there's a lot of conspiracy theories out in our first series. talk at the college campuses. Then we're going to go to University of Georgia, University of North Carolina, Charlotte, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, Arizona State. We're going to be out later in September. Several other colleges as the semester rolls on. They can see all that at crossexamined.org.

53:30 Perfect. Excellent. Everybody remember Jesus Christ, the prophetic declared Son of God, written in the Old Testament that he would come by even his own name was revealed to us. He came, he lived, he died, he rose again from the dead, exactly as prophesied by the Hebrew prophets. And Christ Jesus is coming again. Trust in him. He died on the cross for your sins. Friend, your morality cannot get you into heaven. If that can get you into heaven, then Jesus died in vain. He did know what he was doing. But he did know what he was doing as he's God's anointed Messiah for you and I. It's not church membership. It's not any religion that's going to get you into heaven. It's by your pure reliance upon the blood of Christ, the merits of Christ alone.

54:14 And he's your salvation. Believe on him and you will not perish but have everlasting life. Until next time, God bless you guys. Take care.