The War On Reality

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Why would they be resentful?

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We're going to elevate the game.

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We're going to put more eyeballs on these young women's hard work, their lifelong hard work.

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And ultimately, like I said,

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I'm a black woman and I want to be respected as a black woman by the WNBA and everybody else.

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It's time that we put this cis-normative culture, this toxic cis-normative culture behind us, and we allow men, biological or assigned male at birth people like myself, to come out and be their true authentic self.

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I am, again, for everybody in the audience, sometimes identifying as a black transgender lesbian, and I'm proud.

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OK, what happens if no WNBA team picks you?

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Well, I think based on my body of work in the game of basketball, what I bring to a team, what I bring to the league in terms of athleticism and skill, it would be a clear case of discrimination.

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And we plan to pursue every legal route possible to hold the WNBA to their standards.

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OK. Tennis uses genetic testing on athletes.

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Is that something you think every woman's sport should implement?

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Of course, yeah, I'd be in support of that.

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I mean, I don't want to take up any of the space that is dedicated to females assigned at birth or people assigned female at birth, but I do think I could help the WNBA, and if the language isn't clarified, then, of course, my sometimes identifying as a black transgender lesbian two-spirit would like a chance to play and help the other women elevate the game.

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Well, Frank, what's the word on that?

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I mean, that is the new world reality that we're living with.

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What say you, Frank Durek?

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Well, Jack, what does the W in WNBA stand for?

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That's the question.

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Wonderful.

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Wonderful.

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No, I mean, come on.

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How can you be the WNBA and be unable to say that a female woman is someone that is the only kind of person that can be in our league, a biological female?

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And they don't want to say that, Jack.

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Because they're going to get so much heat from the woke left that says, oh, no, biological men who claim they're women are really women.

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This is a war on reality, Jack.

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It's a war on reality that people are saying that.

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They're men biologically, but they can be women.

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Not only does that hurt women in women's sports and takes away scholarships from them as it does at the high school and college level, but it also puts everyday women at risk because if I can go into, say, some sort of gym and say I'm a biological or I'm a woman because I identify as a woman, I can go into a woman's changing facility.

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I can go into a locker room.

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I can go into a bathroom.

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And they can't say no unless they define women as a biological female.

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You know, it's amazing about what you're saying.

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And we'll talk more about this, of course, obviously with this podcast.

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Frank, you and I are old enough to know that way, way, way back when, say, for example, the feminist movement, at first, nobody took it seriously.

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It was like, what are these, a couple of lunatic women?

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You know, I am woman, hear me roar.

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What are they doing over there?

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But at the same time, for the feminist movement to advance—

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They had to, no pun intended, but they had to neuter the narrative of what men are.

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They had to feminize men more.

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So what's funny to me, because this is how the loss of reality works, we want men to be more like women.

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So here's a guy who says, okay, I'll be one.

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Okay.

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And now they're freaking out because he's doing what they actually set up to do in the first place.

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But now we are decades in to what is no longer a laughing matter.

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And that is the war on reality, which you and we're going to be talking about the book that you've written, The War on Reality, that very thing put out by Harvest House.

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And I cannot encourage people enough to.

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to get this book.

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I had the joy of going through this book before it went to print.

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Everybody needs this book.

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Frank, I prayed for you earlier, and I prayed that this book would not be a bestseller.

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I prayed that it would be a bestseller and a phenomenon because the truth that is articulated in this book, Frank Turek style, which is remarkable, has got to be heard today.

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It's got to be heard today.

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And let's roll back the hands of time, if you don't mind.

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This is sensitive, Frank.

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for a moment.

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And that is the war on reality when it came home directly in front of your eyes regarding our good friend, Charlie Kirk.

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I mean, that was the personification of the war on reality.

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What can you share about that?

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What do you feel comfortable with sharing with our audience regarding the level of reality that war when you saw what took place with Charlie as you stood there?

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Well, Jack, we were there because Charlie and I were working together.

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I was trying to help him answer questions on a college campus related to Christianity.

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And he considered me a mentor.

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But, you know, it can be difficult mentoring somebody smarter than you.

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Charlie was smarter than me.

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Yeah.

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Although it wasn't hard with Charlie because the only thing that exceeded his intellect was his humility.

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Like, I mean, you were a mentor to him as well, right?

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The few things that both of us knew that he didn't know, he wanted to know.

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And that's what made him so effective was because he had so many people around him who were further down the road than he was.

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And he could learn from them and then apply it immediately.

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He was so bright.

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But a couple of things that have come from that since then, Jack.

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One is evil is real.

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When you see it happen in front of you, you see a very good friend of yours murdered in front of you.

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You realize how real evil is.

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And so many times here in America, we are kind of sheltered from that.

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But there are 50 Charlie Kirks who are murdered every day in Nigeria, and we don't even hear about it.

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martyrdom happens quite a bit around the world.

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We don't hear about it.

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So the first thing that has become much more prominent since last 9-10 was evil is real.

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The second thing that has become real important and prominent in my mind is the importance of the gospel and eternity.

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Because,

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and there is a resurrection, at the end of the day, it does not ultimately matter if you live like a murderer or a missionary, if you live like the alleged killer, Tyler Robinson, or you live like Charlie Kirk.

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Why?

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Because if there is no God and there is no resurrection,

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then we're all ultimately gonna wind up in the same place, nowhere, we're just gonna go out of existence.

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So there's no ultimate meaning, which means it doesn't matter really how you live here, but you and I both know, and our listeners and viewers both know, there is true meaning to life, there is a reason we're here, we're here to know God through Jesus and to make him known.

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That's what Charlie was doing,

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That's what we're trying to do when we go to college campuses.

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That's what you do every Sunday and every Wednesday there at Calvary Chapel Chino Hills.

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You're trying to show people that Christ is real and you can know God through him and be saved and sanctified.

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And ultimately...

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We're going to be with him just like Charlie is now.

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He's absent from the body and present with the Lord.

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So there can't be a more important message than that, that there is an eternity, and you're either going to be on one side or the other.

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You're going to be with Jesus, which means you're going to get grace, or you're going to be without Jesus, which means you're going to get justice.

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And Jack, I don't want justice from an infinitely just being.

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If I got justice, I would be toast.

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I would be the...

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the toast right alongside you.

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I'd be the other slice.

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Completely agree.

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Frank, just help me walk through this, what I'm going to try to articulate.

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What you just said is so true.

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People can deny it, but they're going to be denying truth.

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That said, isn't it amazing where, yes, we had a chance to pour into Charlie's life

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Charlie became, people could watch this, Charlie became more of a truth teller in the realm of, he was always a truth teller.

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Right.

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But people who followed him from early on, he was very savvy and very much a truth teller in the realm of society and politics and issues and policy.

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And more and more, he began to get confident in his faith.

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and he grew stronger in his theology.

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And that theology began to come out.

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Charlie became more winsome.

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You and I saw him literally under the control of the Holy Spirit in hostile environments, and he maintained a witness and became more winsome to those who are willing to accept truth.

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I put this forth to you.

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The more biblical Charlie got...

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the more beautiful Charlie became.

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Yes.

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And yet the more hated he became among those who hate truth.

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In other words, and I try to say this respectfully, knowing that we know Erica and love her,

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It wasn't just Charlie that took a bullet that day.

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There was something that was bigger that took a bullet that day, but thank God it cannot die, and that is truth itself.

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That guy shot at truth.

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It was what Charlie was saying that was biblical truth.

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Love your neighbor.

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When he said, give that person, listen, don't laugh at this person.

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Let them speak.

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Let them ask their question.

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He was being just like Jesus to them.

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And then he would come back with a biblically rooted answer.

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I would say to you, Frank Turek, because truth is so important and so on the line, that in a way, it was biblical truth.

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that finally tipped the scale, that this person that was evil couldn't take it anymore.

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They just had to respond, grinding teeth, whatever it might be, they are going to silence the messenger of truth.

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And none of us, right, Frank, none of us as Christians should be surprised that the world would come against truth.

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No, we are called to suffer for him.

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And Jesus famously said, count it all joy, essentially, when you experience insults and persecution on account of my name, because great is your reward in heaven.

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Uh, you know, really Tyler Robinson, the alleged killer, if the evidence is what it seems to be, was someone that claimed Charlie was a fascist.

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Yeah.

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We all know, Jack, that a typical fascist tactic is to hand the microphone to your opponent and say, please, let me hear your case.

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Why don't you make it?

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And we'll have a dialogue.

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No, the fascist, ironically, was Tyler Robinson, not Charlie Kirk.

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And yes, the reason, as you just mentioned, that he had to kill Charlie was because –

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As Paul describes in Romans chapter one, he was suppressing the truth so much that it ultimately led to a depraved mind where he knew he couldn't kill God.

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So he tried to kill God's representative.

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There you go.

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And he's killing God's representative, not realizing, of course, the truth doesn't change even if you kill the truth teller.

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Reality doesn't change just because you kill the truth teller.

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It's still wrong to do what he was doing and to live the lifestyle he was living.

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And out of love, Charlie was trying to reach out to people who were struggling in that trans relationship in which Tyler Robinson found himself.

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And Charlie was trying to help people, and instead they killed him for it, or at least Tyler Robinson did.

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But it's a little bit bigger than that, Jack, as you know.

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Right after Charlie was murdered, there was a survey done, and we may have this in the war on reality.

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I'm trying to remember if we included the survey, but I'll say it now anyway.

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Anyway.

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that about 3% of very conservative people, Jack, believe that it's okay to use violence sometimes to advance a political point of view.

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25% of very liberal people think that.

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Translation,

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Very liberal people are more than eight times more likely to commit violence to advance a political idea than are conservatives.

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Why is all of this violence coming from the left?

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I think the answer is, Jack, they can't win on the merits.

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They can't actually argue for their position because their position doesn't comport with reality.

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Quite often, it's self-contradictory as well, Jack.

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I mean, they'll say things like there is no truth.

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And you ask them, is that true?

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Is it true that there is no truth?

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You know, I mean, they're claiming there is no objective morality, but they think you're objectively wrong if you disagree with them.

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Right.

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They claim math is racist, Jack.

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That just doesn't add up with me.

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They claim that reason is a tool of oppression as they try and use reason to advance their points.

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I mean, it's a self-contradictory worldview.

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And when people realize that, instead of trying to argue it, they resort to violence.

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It's tragic.

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Yeah, it's remarkable.

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And somebody might be watching this podcast right now and saying, oh, Frank Turk, that's a horrible thing to say.

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You're insinuating that a lot of these people who are of the progressive leftist side of things are committing the crimes of violence like this.

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Answer, yes.

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That's exactly what's happening.

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Go look at the information and the data and the investigations that finally get out over time.

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And it's not only that, Frank, but the war in reality, which you've articulated in this great book, it's gotten to a point where culturally, we better wake up because it's very frightening.

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And I mean it this way.

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Why is it that there is an overwhelming propensity from violent crimes that are most often used by firearms against conservatives being done by transgender, LBGTQ,

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community members, is there some sort of a link to this?

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You mentioned Romans 1.

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This is going to sound just absolutely absurd to people, and it's going to infuriate people.

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But Romans 1, God says, because they did not like to retain God in their thoughts, he gave them over to a reprobate mind.

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And one of the manifestations of the reprobate mind, he says, God says, is that they begin to have unbridled passions, men for men and women for women,

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doing that which is unnatural, unscientific.

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How about that?

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Unscientific.

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And we see that today, but nobody wants to talk about it.

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But this is just one, you and I have just spent several minutes just talking about this particular sliver of the war on reality regarding this violence or this hatred of truth or genderism.

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But...

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This applies to everything everywhere because we know that the Bible says in the book of Isaiah that in the last days, people are going to call good evil and evil good.

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Yes, yes.

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And I love the graphics on the front of the book, the war on reality.

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It's got reality, of course, upright where you ought to be able to read it, and then it's got it inverted.

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And years ago, a woman by the name of Ann Coulter wrote a book, and I'll mess it up, but it has something to do with trying to communicate to a liberal mind.

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And she says it's almost impossible.

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Why?

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Because your cover describes it perfectly.

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They view things completely inverted, and to them, it makes perfect sense.

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It makes perfect sense to them.

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And so we are the ones that are illogical.

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We're not, Frank Turek is not loving because he should be more loving.

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He needs to open up the confines or the fence to broader thinking about what is truth.

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So what does Frank Turek say regarding the nature of truth?

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Well, the nature of truth, truth is what corresponds to reality, and reality is just the sum of all truths.

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And only God knows all of reality, quite obviously, because he's the one that knows all truths.

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But when you suppress truth, when you try and suppress truth to go your own way,

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Then you're given over to futile thinking, as Paul says, and then to a depraved mind.

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Let's give an example of this that doesn't have anything to do with sexuality because people get all spooled up when you start talking about sexuality.

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Jack, you and I both know we've been married.

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I've been married over 40 years.

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So have you, right?

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Yep.

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And when you put two broken people in one relationship, sometimes there's going to be trouble, right?

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You and I have both had situations where our wife said something to us that we knew was true, but we didn't like it.

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That's right.

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It's called marriage.

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We get aggravated back.

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Why is that?

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When we intellectually know that she's right, but we still get adamant and mad about

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when they call us on it.

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Because we're depraved, we want to suppress the truth.

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If we continue to try and hold that down and somebody calls us on it, we're gonna lash out.

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In fact, Jay Budziszewski, who's a professor down at UT Austin, a Christian, likens our conscience to a wildcat, a bobcat.

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If you just pet a bobcat, it might be okay, but if you try and press a bobcat's head down, it's gonna come out swinging.

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And if you try and hold down the truth long enough and somebody calls you on it, you're gonna come out swinging.

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And that's what happens.

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That's called sin.

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We have this sin nature and we wanna lash out at people when they're telling us the truth.

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That's what happened with Tyler Robinson and Charlie.

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Charlie was telling him the truth and he didn't wanna hear it.

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Now, let me go back to what you said earlier.

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I'm not saying that leftists are violent.

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The data is saying that.

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Now, it's still a minority, thankfully.

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It's still a minority, thankfully.

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Most trans people are not violent.

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But as a subgroup, they're more violent than any other group.

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Why is that?

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Why is that?

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They're suppressing the truth.

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They may have some mental illness involved too.

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There's issues there and it's not loving.

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Here's one of the biggest problems we highlight in the book too, Jack.

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Our culture, even many in the church, not Calvary Chapel, Chino Hills, but because you're teaching truth all the time,

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But a lot of people in the church think love means approval.

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Jack, love does not mean approval.

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In the passage that everybody reads at their wedding, but nobody obeys, 1 Corinthians 13, Paul says, love rejoices in the truth.

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It does not rejoice in wrongdoing.

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Love always protects.

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Love always perseveres.

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In other words, if you want to love somebody, you don't approve of everything they do.

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That's unloving.

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If they want to do evil, you don't approve of it.

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You would be enabling evil.

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If you've got a 13-year-old kid who wants to do evil, do you approve of what they want to do?

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No, you stand in the way of it.

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And so love doesn't mean approval.

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Yet people on the other side of what we're saying right now, Jack, are going to say we're unloving if we don't approve of them.

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Meanwhile, we are loving because we're trying to warn them what you're doing isn't going to turn out well for you, not now or in eternity.

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And secondly, notice, although they say love means approval, they don't approve of us.

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Yet they'll say they love us, right?

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That's a great point.

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So love doesn't mean approval.

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That's a great point.

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It's remarkable, Frank, because if you and when you, with truth, disagree with those that are harming themselves, meaning they're adopting a lifestyle practice that we know from both Scripture—

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that when the scripture says you shouldn't do this, you're going to harm yourself.

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Isn't it amazing that science backs up that very biblical truth?

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Because the book of Romans, again, chapter 1, tells us that when they do practice same-sex

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engagement that it says in Romans very subtly, but it's very dangerous.

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It's very, very telling.

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It says that they receive within themselves the due recompense of their actions.

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Translation, because of their external physical contact with unsanctioned flesh, according to God's laws,

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They partake of the same homo, sapient, same homo, same female, female, male, male protein exchange to whereby now on the inside of their body, they actually begin to assault their immune system to the point where...

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that the due recompense of their error of their way is their liver.

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For example, Proverbs talks about this, your liver.

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The Bible knows that sexual immorality causes liver damage.

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Isn't that amazing?

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It took us thousands of years to find that out.

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The fact of the matter is you cannot dabble in not only drugs and, and things that are not sanctioned by God, but when you cross that line of sexual immorality, um,

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that is a violation of truth, you're doing a whole lot of damage to your thought process.

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You're doing a whole lot of damage to your ability to discern.

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It's way deeper than all of that.

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And so today, in fact, I think you told me this years ago, that America seems, if not the world, seems to have a new religion, and that religion is sex, sexual gratification at all costs.

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Forget about Baptist, Islam, Buddhism, conservative, liberal, it's sex.

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Don't tell me what I can and cannot do.

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I'm going to do my own thing.

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And you said it beautifully.

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If I were to say to my child or to a stranger, you know, you ought not to do that because it could kill you.

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I mean, you might have to duck.

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It's absolutely wild.

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Well, the end of Romans one even is more direct when it says, not only do people who do these things practice these things, they give hearty approval to others doing the same.

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Notice we now actually have cheerleaders

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You saw it a couple of weeks ago, Jack, in Massachusetts.

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We had cheerleaders for a governor that signed a bill that would allow a woman to kill her unborn baby up to the moment of birth.

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And they're cheering this on.

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Do you remember years ago when Bill Clinton used to say, I want abortion to be safe, legal, and rare?

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OK, well, why do you want it to be safe and legal and rare?

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Why do you why does it have to be rare?

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If it's rare, it shouldn't be legal.

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OK, because there's something wrong with it.

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If something's good, why should it be rare?

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That's right.

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Now we have people who are actually saying shout your abortion and it's a good thing.

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And they all applauded this.

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Yep.

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They applauded this.

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I want to ask people, Jack, this question.

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who are considering killing their own children, whenever is killing your own child a solution to one of your problems?

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Do you really think that's a good solution?

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I've got a problem.

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Whether it's economic, spiritual, moral, social,

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You think that the right solution is to kill your own offspring?

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Really?

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Yeah, and think of this, Frank.

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If you were to stop and ask them, why do you think that's a problem?

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Wait, you have a problem?

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What's your problem?

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I'm pregnant.

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I'm going to kill my offspring.

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Why do you think that?

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First of all, on what premise, on what grounds, what is your logic that has brought you to the conclusion that it's a problem?

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Because in any other culture, at any other time, it's a blessing.

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The Bible says it's a blessing.

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Well, I don't believe in the Bible.

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Okay, let's throw the Bible off the table.

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Science says just by science, which has no emotion.

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According to science, when a man and a woman get together, married or not, we're just talking science.

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When biology happens, another human comes out.

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That's awesome.

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That's a blessing.

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That's a blessing.

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So what is your problem?

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Oh, I see.

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Your problem is this is an inconvenience.

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That's right.

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This child disrupts.

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If this child is brought into this world, it's going to take away from me time.

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And...

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You know, the old saying, two wrongs don't make a right.

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Hey, Frank, you mentioned in this great book, everybody, The War on Reality, You've Got to Get It.

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Frank, where do they get it?

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I assume, by the way, I assume one author to another.

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I think you and I know this, but maybe our audience doesn't.

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To make this book a big success, pre-orders are key, right?

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And it tells Amazon that this is what people want to read.

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Look, Amazon's in it for the money.

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They don't care what's inside this book.

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They don't care what's in it.

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They want to make money.

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That's okay.

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Let them make the money.

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Let's get the message out.

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So I'm asking all of our viewers...

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And then Costco will get it.

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Barnes & Nobles will get it.

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They follow what Amazon does.

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It's part of the science of it all.

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But you got to get Frank Turek into your home in this excellent book.

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Frank, it's really the genre of your entire life.

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As long as I've known you, and that's why I love hanging out with you and just spending time with you and having you even speak at our church, is that you are a truth teller.

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Folks, Frank's a truth teller.

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on a program in the pulpit or when we're down in Balboa getting an ice cream bar.

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Frank's a truth teller.

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He never changes.

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He's the same guy.

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And I so much appreciate that about you.

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So, Frank, with that, I want to ask you this question.

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You claim, I say you claim, I know, but you claim in this book, War and Reality, that on several fronts, I'll say various fronts, that there's a war and reality regarding the topic of,

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of God himself, the war on reality of human rights or Christian nationalism or immigration.

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I mean, you name it.

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If truth is there, there's a war on it.

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Can you elaborate on that?

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Yeah, sure.

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There's so many topics the book covers because there's so many wars out there that people are fighting against reality.

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So is there a war on God?

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Of course there is.

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They want to keep God out of any mention in public life, Jack.

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And you and I both know that...

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belief in God, particularly belief in the Christian God, is what established this country to begin with.

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And it was John Adams who said that our country or our constitution is made for only a holy, religious and moral people.

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It is inadequate to govern any other.

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He wrote to Thomas Jefferson in 1813 and said to Jefferson, the only way that we were able to start this country was because it was founded on Christian principles.

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And yet you've got people trying to keep God out of society completely.

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Jack, J.D.

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Unwin back almost 100 years ago at Oxford did a study in 1934 of 86 civilizations

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And he discovered that 100% of the time,

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100% of the time of these 86 civilizations, when they relaxed their standards of sexuality and then actually advocated for sexual immorality, in other words, when they abandoned God completely, when they went totally pagan, 100% of the time within 100 years, every one of those civilizations had collapsed, either from within or without.

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Now, I think, Jack, if you look back,

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That countdown clock began in this country in 1973.

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Why?

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Because that's the year we legalized, the Supreme Court did, abortion.

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That's the year that the APA, the American Psychological Association, I think it was, or the, I can't remember what organization it was.

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Anyway, they said that homosexual behavior was no longer a disorder.

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Oh, correct.

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It's also the year that the Endangered Species Act came out.

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You go, what does that have to do with it?

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Because endangered species became more important and protected than human beings.

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Yeah, yeah.

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An eagle egg of $1,500.

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$1,500 fine, three years imprisonment if you break an eagle egg.

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Right, but you could kill a baby, a human baby.

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And so we're like 54 plus years, 53 plus years into this 100-year countdown, Jack.

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If we don't somehow turn around by pointing out that God does exist, you are not him, I am not him,

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There's a standard out there that we've all fallen from.

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And Jesus is the one who came to live that standard for us.

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And by trusting in him, we're not only forgiven, but given his righteousness.

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If we can get that word out and transform our society, maybe we will not collapse in the next 50 years.

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And by the way, if I could summarize this in three short sentences, I think this is the story of the Bible in three short sentences.

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God created it.

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We broke it, Jesus fixed it.

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100%.

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God created it, we broke it, Jesus fixed it.

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And the war on reality right now, when it comes to God, is people are trying to deny God exists.

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Meanwhile, Jack, they're claiming they have certain rights.

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But there are no rights unless God exists.

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Exactly.

445
00:31:46.086 --> 00:31:46.287
Right?

446
00:31:46.847 --> 00:31:49.050
Everything's a matter of opinion if there is no God.

447
00:31:49.450 --> 00:31:49.910
Exactly.

448
00:31:49.990 --> 00:31:56.693
So on one hand, they're trying to have the benefits of God while they, on the other hand, deny he exists.

449
00:31:56.853 --> 00:31:58.554
This is a war on reality, Jack.

450
00:31:58.734 --> 00:32:15.062
It's amazing because the beauty of our founding fathers, which, listen, wonders of wonders, if people just stopped to read these guys, they would hear things like this, that we believe what no other country, government, had ever declared before,

451
00:32:15.954 --> 00:32:23.978
that we have been granted certain unalienable rights, that among these are the pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness.

452
00:32:24.358 --> 00:32:27.380
And that is something that's given by God.

453
00:32:28.320 --> 00:32:34.905
People want their version of life, their version of happiness, their version of liberty and freedom.

454
00:32:35.706 --> 00:32:39.769
But don't you dare interrupt my life with your interpretation of it.

455
00:32:40.430 --> 00:32:42.292
It's so remarkable.

456
00:32:43.212 --> 00:32:49.618
People, like you said, their hair catches on fire because they don't have an argument.

457
00:32:49.698 --> 00:32:51.919
Somebody sent me a note just the other day and they said...

458
00:32:52.720 --> 00:33:01.524
They said, hey, pastor, you're so outspoken because you never make yourself available to go into a debate.

459
00:33:02.004 --> 00:33:05.365
Well, first of all, I never think about debates because I'm a pastor teacher.

460
00:33:06.146 --> 00:33:07.206
I'm kind of busy.

461
00:33:07.766 --> 00:33:10.848
That's why God invented Frank Turek to go do debates.

462
00:33:11.748 --> 00:33:13.909
But they don't know you.

463
00:33:13.929 --> 00:33:14.509
You're married.

464
00:33:14.529 --> 00:33:15.550
You debate every day.

465
00:33:15.630 --> 00:33:17.331
So do I. I lose every day, too.

466
00:33:17.671 --> 00:33:18.311
That's brilliant.

467
00:33:18.552 --> 00:33:19.172
That's brilliant.

468
00:33:19.192 --> 00:33:19.392
Yeah.

469
00:33:19.432 --> 00:33:20.392
Why would I go public?

470
00:33:20.432 --> 00:33:21.773
I'm tired of losing privately.

471
00:33:22.373 --> 00:33:25.175
You got Lisa hammering you in private every day, Jack.

472
00:33:26.395 --> 00:33:27.116
That is so good.

473
00:33:27.336 --> 00:33:28.837
And the thing is this.

474
00:33:29.297 --> 00:33:31.678
I thought about that guy's challenge for a while.

475
00:33:31.898 --> 00:33:33.379
And I thought, wait a minute.

476
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:41.103
I get in debates with people out in front of the foyer every Sunday and Wednesday before and after service.

477
00:33:42.354 --> 00:33:50.224
And to be honest with you, Frank, after 37 years of ministry, I don't think I've ever changed anyone's mind.

478
00:33:50.805 --> 00:33:54.589
Now, that's just a reflection of how pathetic of a debater I am.

479
00:33:55.090 --> 00:33:56.272
But the point is this.

480
00:33:57.052 --> 00:34:00.136
In most cases, the person—here's my point to this—

481
00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:06.103
They have a predetermined passion and love for where they're at.

482
00:34:06.523 --> 00:34:09.566
They want me to agree with them.

483
00:34:09.806 --> 00:34:11.167
And so they say something like this.

484
00:34:11.427 --> 00:34:12.148
Hey, come on, man.

485
00:34:12.328 --> 00:34:13.189
You want a piece of me?

486
00:34:13.649 --> 00:34:14.810
Actually, I really don't care.

487
00:34:15.191 --> 00:34:16.592
I'm actually going over here.

488
00:34:16.712 --> 00:34:17.613
I don't want a piece of you.

489
00:34:17.633 --> 00:34:18.533
Do you want a piece of me?

490
00:34:18.894 --> 00:34:19.814
No, you calm down.

491
00:34:19.854 --> 00:34:25.899
I don't even... Look, if you want to believe in pink unicorns with wings, that's your business.

492
00:34:26.019 --> 00:34:27.300
And they get upset and...

493
00:34:28.161 --> 00:34:34.024
If I'm going to let them just live with that, they want me to say, no, no, you are correct.

494
00:34:34.465 --> 00:34:36.246
You are all wise.

495
00:34:36.766 --> 00:34:37.846
Yes, I agree.

496
00:34:37.886 --> 00:34:41.308
They won't stop until they hear me say, I agree.

497
00:34:41.468 --> 00:34:43.870
And that is a mental illness.

498
00:34:45.010 --> 00:34:46.591
Yeah, you need affirmation.

499
00:34:47.472 --> 00:34:53.055
And so many people who have been suppressing their consciences and suppressing the truth—

500
00:34:53.964 --> 00:34:59.185
They crave affirmation because they know in their hearts, Jack, that what they're doing is wrong.

501
00:34:59.225 --> 00:35:02.286
So they need other people to tell them, no, it's okay.

502
00:35:02.306 --> 00:35:03.567
You can continue to do it.

503
00:35:04.027 --> 00:35:06.528
You know, Charlie used to talk about this all the time.

504
00:35:06.888 --> 00:35:11.029
First they'll claim you ought to tolerate them.

505
00:35:11.649 --> 00:35:14.450
Then they'll claim you need to accept what they're doing.

506
00:35:14.650 --> 00:35:17.631
Then finally you need to celebrate what they're doing.

507
00:35:18.371 --> 00:35:20.371
I mean, Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack.

508
00:35:20.391 --> 00:35:20.711
Wow.

509
00:35:21.512 --> 00:35:22.272
People who...

510
00:35:23.452 --> 00:35:35.076
have given their lives for this country, get one day, Memorial Day, but somehow we have a whole month for a same-sex behavior?

511
00:35:37.297 --> 00:35:38.037
Why is that?

512
00:35:38.397 --> 00:35:39.697
It's sick.

513
00:35:39.717 --> 00:35:41.038
Do we have our priorities?

514
00:35:42.178 --> 00:35:42.618
Inverted.

515
00:35:42.838 --> 00:35:44.139
Just inverted somehow?

516
00:35:44.439 --> 00:35:46.440
Inverted, like the cover of the book.

517
00:35:47.120 --> 00:35:48.620
Inverted, reality's been inverted.

518
00:35:49.040 --> 00:35:50.241
Good is evil, evil is good.

519
00:35:51.141 --> 00:35:51.481
Wow.

520
00:35:51.561 --> 00:35:54.342
Hey Jack, I wanna mention one thing.

521
00:35:54.502 --> 00:36:04.384
If people too do pre-order the book, and by the way, honestly, this is not about money because you don't make a lot of money on books unless you're a million seller.

522
00:36:04.464 --> 00:36:06.525
And I'm not a million, actually I am a million seller.

523
00:36:06.565 --> 00:36:07.965
I got a million of these, Jack.

524
00:36:08.245 --> 00:36:09.905
I got a million of these in my seller.

525
00:36:14.627 --> 00:36:20.128
But if they do pre-order the book, first of all,

526
00:36:21.295 --> 00:36:27.360
even if they don't pre-order the book, if they go to thewaronreality.com, they're going to see the foreword written by Erica Kirk.

527
00:36:27.940 --> 00:36:30.722
It didn't make the first edition of the book because it came in a little late.

528
00:36:30.782 --> 00:36:31.623
Erica was busy.

529
00:36:32.083 --> 00:36:40.769
But it is a very profound foreword in which she says this, I had a new reality that came upon me on September 10th.

530
00:36:42.030 --> 00:36:49.056
And the only thing that gives me peace is not fighting that reality, but surrendering to it.

531
00:36:49.416 --> 00:36:50.817
And at the end of the day, Jack,

532
00:36:52.192 --> 00:36:54.474
there are two options we as human beings have.

533
00:36:55.574 --> 00:37:01.479
We can either rebel or we can repent.

534
00:37:01.499 --> 00:37:07.063
And for those who are rebelling against reality, and the author of reality is Jesus himself,

535
00:37:07.888 --> 00:37:12.615
The only thing you're gonna get ultimately is justice from an infinitely just being.

536
00:37:12.916 --> 00:37:13.457
Absolutely.

537
00:37:13.717 --> 00:37:14.578
And you don't want that.

538
00:37:15.260 --> 00:37:22.531
What you want is grace, but that takes repentance because God is not gonna force you into heaven, into his presence against your will.

539
00:37:23.452 --> 00:37:32.819
But if they do order the book and they go there and they put their receipt for the book in that website, thewaronreality.com, we're going to send them right now chapter 10.

540
00:37:33.540 --> 00:37:41.606
And the reason we're sending them chapter 10, Jack, because I think chapter 10 is probably the key to understanding why there's a war on reality.

541
00:37:41.626 --> 00:37:42.266
And here it is.

542
00:37:42.366 --> 00:37:47.430
There's a chart in chapter 10, and it points out that...

543
00:37:50.262 --> 00:38:02.352
People who are warring against reality view reality as an unending conflict between people who are called oppressors and people that are called oppressed.

544
00:38:02.452 --> 00:38:06.735
I want to say it's on page like 192 or something, Jack, something like that, 193 maybe.

545
00:38:06.955 --> 00:38:08.277
I'm on 202 right now.

546
00:38:08.297 --> 00:38:09.918
You've got a chart there.

547
00:38:10.578 --> 00:38:11.439
I may not be the right.

548
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:13.120
I think it's 192, 192.

549
00:38:17.338 --> 00:38:18.659
Oh, very good.

550
00:38:18.759 --> 00:38:19.239
It's 192.

551
00:38:19.259 --> 00:38:20.380
I'm looking at it right now.

552
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:21.820
191 and 192.

553
00:38:21.881 --> 00:38:22.521
Yeah.

554
00:38:22.701 --> 00:38:23.001
Okay.

555
00:38:23.021 --> 00:38:33.607
That chart says the way that many people in our culture look at things is by this oppressed oppressor kind of binary.

556
00:38:34.838 --> 00:39:00.433
And they say, you're an oppressor if you're white, if you're heterosexual, if you are identifying as a male and that's your gender identity, your cisgender, so to speak, if you're a Christian, if you're a citizen, if you are well off economically and you are a colonializer, according to them.

557
00:39:01.553 --> 00:39:03.295
And I would throw in a capitalist.

558
00:39:03.896 --> 00:39:07.179
Yeah, a capitalist, exactly, yeah.

559
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:13.625
So if you have any of those characteristics, you're automatically deemed somebody who is an oppressor.

560
00:39:13.826 --> 00:39:14.546
On the other hand,

561
00:39:15.462 --> 00:39:21.464
If you are a non-Christian, if you are a non-heterosexual LGBTQ.

562
00:39:21.764 --> 00:39:22.284
Marxist.

563
00:39:22.324 --> 00:39:31.207
Yeah, if you're a Marxist, if you're a non-citizen, if you're not well off, then you're automatically considered oppressed.

564
00:39:31.747 --> 00:39:40.234
And it doesn't matter if your behavior is morally good or bad personally, you're automatically always going to be deemed in the right.

565
00:39:40.354 --> 00:39:44.818
And anybody who is an oppressor is automatically deemed to be in the wrong.

566
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:48.001
And by the way, if we go back to the murder of Charlie Kirk.

567
00:39:48.956 --> 00:39:54.059
Notice that Charlie had every one of the characteristics that according to these people made him an oppressor.

568
00:39:54.379 --> 00:40:01.284
He was a white heather sexual Christian who was a citizen of the United States who also was well off financially.

569
00:40:01.344 --> 00:40:08.628
So he's automatically an oppressor and Tyler Robinson appears to be radicalized against such an oppressor.

570
00:40:09.229 --> 00:40:13.451
By the way, that fact that Charlie was a young man who was well off, let's be accurate.

571
00:40:14.974 --> 00:40:21.757
Charlie Kirk at a very young age started a business and turned it into an empire and made every penny.

572
00:40:22.817 --> 00:40:38.924
And I don't know about you, I know about me, I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth and whatever I've, you know, woe on me that I was directed by my dad on my 18th birthday to start buying certain stocks and investing in the United States.

573
00:40:39.944 --> 00:40:45.029
And people will say to me, oh, what do you know about eating pork and beans?

574
00:40:45.329 --> 00:40:45.830
Oh, really?

575
00:40:45.930 --> 00:40:47.131
Why don't you ask Lisa and I?

576
00:40:47.171 --> 00:40:51.014
Because for about 30 years of our marriage, that's all we ate.

577
00:40:51.134 --> 00:40:51.775
We made it.

578
00:40:52.275 --> 00:40:53.937
We were a one-income family.

579
00:40:54.137 --> 00:40:55.118
That's how we lived.

580
00:40:55.578 --> 00:40:57.019
And then now that we're older.

581
00:40:57.940 --> 00:41:01.521
And we're not rich, but we can kind of do what we want to do.

582
00:41:02.021 --> 00:41:02.742
Oh, look at you.

583
00:41:02.782 --> 00:41:03.702
You're privileged.

584
00:41:04.002 --> 00:41:04.782
Excuse me?

585
00:41:04.802 --> 00:41:12.685
I worked my fingers to the bone to be able to take that vacation or to whatever that might be.

586
00:41:13.005 --> 00:41:16.466
That said, Frank, maybe I need some personal counseling right now.

587
00:41:17.046 --> 00:41:17.946
Am I wrong?

588
00:41:18.787 --> 00:41:20.067
Is there something wrong with me?

589
00:41:20.347 --> 00:41:22.788
When you just articulated and described...

590
00:41:24.070 --> 00:41:28.392
on that page, I think 192 of those people on that chart.

591
00:41:29.893 --> 00:41:30.673
Am I wrong?

592
00:41:30.853 --> 00:41:32.914
I've never, they've never bothered me.

593
00:41:33.434 --> 00:41:36.215
I've never taken them seriously because I know what truth is.

594
00:41:37.696 --> 00:41:43.939
I know that I have had my jobs and my careers and my education.

595
00:41:45.099 --> 00:41:45.800
I'm not threatened.

596
00:41:46.535 --> 00:41:48.096
by that.

597
00:41:48.496 --> 00:41:51.519
I'm not threatened by my faith that I have.

598
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:52.419
I don't need to hide it.

599
00:41:54.461 --> 00:41:56.502
My house has an American flag on it.

600
00:41:57.383 --> 00:41:59.344
I don't cover it up.

601
00:41:59.704 --> 00:42:01.706
I don't take their threat seriously.

602
00:42:01.786 --> 00:42:03.147
Am I missing something, Frank?

603
00:42:03.447 --> 00:42:04.568
Should I be worried about it?

604
00:42:05.600 --> 00:42:17.888
Well, as the culture continues to get more and more to radicalize, Jack, unfortunately, it appears to be that the left is the more violent of the two sides.

605
00:42:17.928 --> 00:42:27.995
As we mentioned earlier, they're eight times more apt to say violence is okay to put forth a political viewpoint than someone considered very conservative.

606
00:42:28.315 --> 00:42:29.476
So it is a problem.

607
00:42:29.796 --> 00:42:32.097
So Frank, if I asked them, if they said that to me,

608
00:42:33.383 --> 00:42:35.065
If I were to say, well, wait, wait, excuse me.

609
00:42:35.306 --> 00:42:37.508
Well, I have my political views.

610
00:42:38.830 --> 00:42:43.556
Is it okay for me to exercise violence to advance my political views?

611
00:42:43.777 --> 00:42:45.499
Oh, they'll say absolutely not, Jack.

612
00:42:45.539 --> 00:42:46.240
What?

613
00:42:46.340 --> 00:42:47.261
Tell me, tell us.

614
00:42:47.662 --> 00:42:48.342
What would they say?

615
00:42:48.363 --> 00:42:48.743
Yeah.

616
00:42:49.408 --> 00:42:54.170
Yeah, they would say no because you're wrong and you need to be oppressed anyway, right?

617
00:42:54.550 --> 00:42:56.171
See, I'm laughing again, sorry.

618
00:42:56.651 --> 00:42:57.751
It's insane.

619
00:42:58.332 --> 00:43:04.614
This oppressed oppressor binary here is why you get gays for Gaza.

620
00:43:04.994 --> 00:43:07.335
Now you go, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, gays for Gaza?

621
00:43:07.796 --> 00:43:08.936
How does that make any sense?

622
00:43:09.196 --> 00:43:13.298
Because if the gays go to Gaza, they're immediately gonna be murdered, right?

623
00:43:16.159 --> 00:43:18.381
Why would they be for Gaza, so to speak?

624
00:43:18.921 --> 00:43:22.163
Because the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

625
00:43:22.804 --> 00:43:26.726
They are considered on the oppressed side of the ledger.

626
00:43:27.526 --> 00:43:36.272
And so what they're going to do is align with one another, even though if, say, the Islamists got power, they would immediately kill them.

627
00:43:36.932 --> 00:43:41.197
The people that are considered themselves gays for Gaza.

628
00:43:41.757 --> 00:43:45.541
And by the way, this is one of the origins of the word useful idiot.

629
00:43:46.382 --> 00:43:51.568
Because way back, talking about Iran, Jack, for just a second, way back in 1979, Jimmy Carter gave us the...

630
00:43:56.785 --> 00:44:24.002
Ayatollah basically he allowed the Ayatollah To go into Iran and he got the Shah out now why did he do that Well one of the reasons was That the college kids in Tehran and in Iran Started to think oh it would Be good to get rid of the Shah and bring the Ayatollah in and as soon As the Ayatollah came in what Did he do to those college kids He executed many of them and they're going Wait a minute we were for you You know what?

631
00:44:24.142 --> 00:44:25.883
Frank do you remember Why they were for him?

632
00:44:27.162 --> 00:44:30.332
You know, Solomon said there's nothing new under the sun.

633
00:44:31.012 --> 00:44:31.512
What was it?

634
00:44:31.713 --> 00:44:53.267
You go back and the Ayatollah and his party members of the regime, the selling point for them to vote for him, which was an overwhelming amount of young people, like you just said, was free education with a free monthly stipend you would receive from the government if you vote for me.

635
00:44:53.527 --> 00:44:54.268
Sound familiar?

636
00:44:54.288 --> 00:44:54.588
Socialism.

637
00:44:55.028 --> 00:44:55.649
Yeah, yeah.

638
00:44:55.969 --> 00:44:56.910
It's happening again.

639
00:44:57.810 --> 00:45:01.355
Ladies and gentlemen, I was going to say, there's no such thing as free.

640
00:45:01.415 --> 00:45:03.017
Somebody's paying, by the way.

641
00:45:03.598 --> 00:45:06.081
And in fact, here's a litmus test on this, Jack.

642
00:45:06.382 --> 00:45:12.791
How many people do you know in Florida who are getting on rickety boats to escape to Cuba?

643
00:45:13.212 --> 00:45:14.652
Oh my goodness, can you believe it?

644
00:45:14.973 --> 00:45:16.173
Nobody, Jack.

645
00:45:16.333 --> 00:45:19.814
You would stand there on the shore all day long and get bored to death because it ain't happening.

646
00:45:20.214 --> 00:45:20.674
That's right.

647
00:45:20.914 --> 00:45:24.375
How many caravans are going from the United States to Venezuela?

648
00:45:24.675 --> 00:45:24.895
Yeah.

649
00:45:25.076 --> 00:45:25.416
None.

650
00:45:25.916 --> 00:45:27.336
It's all the opposite direction.

651
00:45:27.396 --> 00:45:27.776
Why?

652
00:45:27.936 --> 00:45:32.898
Because we have a system that understands human nature, Jack.

653
00:45:33.538 --> 00:45:36.019
We understand human nature, okay?

654
00:45:36.259 --> 00:45:38.399
You just, listen to what you just said.

655
00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:39.520
Watch this.

656
00:45:40.720 --> 00:45:43.382
But this is what's happening in America.

657
00:45:44.022 --> 00:45:50.445
People are getting, so to speak, on rickety boats, and they're leaving California to go to Florida.

658
00:45:50.725 --> 00:45:54.647
They're leaving California to go to Tennessee or to Texas or to Idaho.

659
00:45:57.248 --> 00:46:07.851
It may not be happening in Florida, but it is happening in California because people, the socialist model has broken down and busted in California, total Democrat control.

660
00:46:08.171 --> 00:46:10.491
It's not that it's total Democrat control.

661
00:46:10.871 --> 00:46:21.294
What's worse than that is that it is progressive leftism in California that has driven over 1 million people out of California.

662
00:46:27.515 --> 00:46:29.977
And they reestablish their businesses in other places.

663
00:46:30.017 --> 00:46:31.958
Think about Elon Musk.

664
00:46:32.058 --> 00:46:38.683
By the way, the rumor is, I'm not going to say who told me so, but Elon Musk wants to come back to California.

665
00:46:38.923 --> 00:46:39.924
He loves California.

666
00:46:40.344 --> 00:46:41.965
Well, it's beautiful.

667
00:46:42.165 --> 00:46:44.147
He's moved businesses out of California.

668
00:46:44.447 --> 00:46:48.490
He moved himself out of California, but he wants to be coming back to California.

669
00:46:48.830 --> 00:46:49.070
Why?

670
00:46:49.350 --> 00:46:53.253
Because the socialist way of a handful of...

671
00:46:54.229 --> 00:46:57.012
of leaders will control the masses.

672
00:46:57.253 --> 00:46:58.714
It's called Sacramento, folks.

673
00:46:59.275 --> 00:47:00.356
And you need to wake up to that.

674
00:47:00.676 --> 00:47:06.663
Frank, before we begin to wrap this up, I want to tell people about a cruise that you and I are going to be hosting.

675
00:47:07.404 --> 00:47:10.828
And it is going to be June 19, June 12, excuse me.

676
00:47:11.108 --> 00:47:13.010
In fact, look at our stunning graphics.

677
00:47:16.422 --> 00:47:18.925
How can they not come when they see that, Jack?

678
00:47:19.426 --> 00:47:23.490
How can they resist the PR pamphlet you put together, Jack?

679
00:47:23.830 --> 00:47:24.270
Boom.

680
00:47:24.751 --> 00:47:29.496
I'll tell you how confident Frank and I are going to be about how great this conference is going to be.

681
00:47:30.116 --> 00:47:31.177
It's going to be so great.

682
00:47:31.418 --> 00:47:33.640
We don't even need super graphic people.

683
00:47:34.040 --> 00:47:35.182
It's going to be so good.

684
00:47:35.702 --> 00:47:41.904
The bold stand cruise of all the Hawaiian islands, June 12th to the 19th.

685
00:47:42.324 --> 00:47:44.385
You can go to jackhibbs.com and sign up.

686
00:47:44.405 --> 00:47:45.925
Can they go to your website and sign up?

687
00:47:46.385 --> 00:47:48.806
Yeah, but it's just going to take you back to jackhibbs.com.

688
00:47:48.906 --> 00:47:49.446
Oh, okay.

689
00:47:49.486 --> 00:47:49.886
Listen.

690
00:47:49.946 --> 00:47:52.227
They can go to crossexamine.org and click on it.

691
00:47:52.247 --> 00:47:52.487
Yeah.

692
00:47:52.527 --> 00:47:53.947
Yeah, you guys ought to join us.

693
00:47:54.367 --> 00:47:56.988
We've got almost 800 people signed up right now.

694
00:47:57.308 --> 00:47:59.328
I think we've got room for about 100 more people.

695
00:47:59.729 --> 00:48:00.389
You ought to join us.

696
00:48:00.409 --> 00:48:03.029
You're going to be hearing dialogue just like this on that trip.

697
00:48:03.469 --> 00:48:09.531
But Frank, as we wrap this up, just shotgun, tell me why I should get your book.

698
00:48:09.651 --> 00:48:12.531
Just let Frank Turek riff now on this.

699
00:48:12.991 --> 00:48:15.812
Why do I need to get the book, The War on Reality?

700
00:48:16.563 --> 00:48:39.296
Well, Jack, because there are so many people out there who are warring against reality, whether it's people saying that there are an infinite number of genders or men can have babies or math is racist or the fact that they think reason is a tool of oppression or marriage doesn't require a man or a woman and medically transitioning children is somehow compassionate and abortion is healthcare.

701
00:48:39.656 --> 00:48:42.778
And in order to solve racism, we just need a little bit more racism.

702
00:48:43.358 --> 00:48:47.845
I mean, there are so many problems that we have to deal with, and we deal with them in the book.

703
00:48:48.406 --> 00:48:51.670
Let me give, and by the way, there are sections in the book like...

704
00:48:52.524 --> 00:48:54.105
where we have real practical things.

705
00:48:54.145 --> 00:48:57.547
Like what if your kid comes to you and says, mom, dad, I'm trans, what do you do?

706
00:48:58.167 --> 00:49:00.669
We tell you, here's some questions you ought to ask, right?

707
00:49:01.590 --> 00:49:07.313
What happens if people say, well, you know, you can't get involved in politics because the politics is gonna get in the way of the gospel.

708
00:49:07.994 --> 00:49:09.595
And so we have a whole chapter on that.

709
00:49:10.035 --> 00:49:16.239
In fact, let me just give you two reasons out of 10 we have in the chapter on can you legislate reality, okay?

710
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:24.284
People will say, pastors will say, you know, I don't get involved in politics, Pastor Jack.

711
00:49:24.425 --> 00:49:26.026
I just preach the gospel, right?

712
00:49:26.894 --> 00:49:31.058
And to which I'll respond to them, I guess you don't think the gospel is very important then.

713
00:49:31.238 --> 00:49:32.720
And they'll say, well, what do you mean?

714
00:49:32.940 --> 00:49:33.540
Exactly.

715
00:49:33.620 --> 00:49:37.724
I'll say, because politics affects your ability to preach and live the gospel.

716
00:49:38.125 --> 00:49:40.827
If you don't think so, go to some of the countries I've been to.

717
00:49:40.927 --> 00:49:41.828
I've been to Iran.

718
00:49:41.908 --> 00:49:43.910
There's no First Baptist Church of Tehran.

719
00:49:44.030 --> 00:49:44.471
I checked.

720
00:49:44.971 --> 00:49:46.493
I've been to Saudi Arabia.

721
00:49:46.733 --> 00:49:48.515
There's no Calvary Chapel of Mecca.

722
00:49:49.278 --> 00:49:49.918
It's not there.

723
00:49:50.379 --> 00:49:52.320
I just got back from Egypt not long ago.

724
00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:55.601
You wanna start a church in Egypt, Jack, they're gonna give you trouble politically.

725
00:49:56.001 --> 00:50:01.044
So for no other reason you have to be engaged politically is to protect your ability to preach and live the gospel.

726
00:50:01.484 --> 00:50:04.166
Second reason, we're called to love people.

727
00:50:04.806 --> 00:50:11.749
And you're not loving people if you have an opportunity to put laws in place that protect them from evil and you don't take it.

728
00:50:12.109 --> 00:50:16.712
In fact, here's probably the litmus test, the litmus question you can ask anybody, Jack, on this, and that is this.

729
00:50:17.858 --> 00:50:26.903
for people who say I don't get involved politically, I ask them, are you telling me that Christians 160 years ago should not have gotten involved in politics to outlaw slavery?

730
00:50:26.923 --> 00:50:27.744
Is that what you're saying?

731
00:50:27.964 --> 00:50:28.664
Exactly.

732
00:50:29.545 --> 00:50:30.345
Let's see what they say.

733
00:50:30.705 --> 00:50:32.826
Oh, they're going to go, well, of course.

734
00:50:33.167 --> 00:50:35.268
Welcome to politics, ladies and gentlemen.

735
00:50:35.428 --> 00:50:40.471
Look, if you don't think Christians ought to be involved in politics, are you saying only atheists are qualified to run the country?

736
00:50:40.611 --> 00:50:41.651
Because I can tell you this.

737
00:50:41.751 --> 00:50:44.353
I can tell you who is involved in politics, and that's Satan.

738
00:50:45.128 --> 00:50:45.488
All right.

739
00:50:46.088 --> 00:50:47.109
So we're salt and light.

740
00:50:47.189 --> 00:50:48.709
Jesus told us to be salt and light.

741
00:50:48.749 --> 00:50:52.691
Let's be salt and light so we can protect our ability to preach and live the gospel, number one.

742
00:50:53.091 --> 00:51:00.794
And number two, so we can love people by putting laws in place and policies in place that protect innocent people from evil.

743
00:51:01.054 --> 00:51:10.277
This this thing in in in in California and in Massachusetts about killing your baby all the way up to the moment of birth should not happen when Christians are engaged.

744
00:51:10.377 --> 00:51:11.298
It never should happen.

745
00:51:11.418 --> 00:51:12.058
And yet it does.

746
00:51:12.752 --> 00:51:15.390
It won't happen if Christians get engaged.

747
00:51:16.420 --> 00:51:21.504
So as we end this, by the way, everybody, get the book, The War and Reality, Dr. Frank Turek.

748
00:51:21.824 --> 00:51:23.585
Sign up for the Bold Stand Cruise.

749
00:51:23.645 --> 00:51:24.846
It's going to blow your mind.

750
00:51:24.866 --> 00:51:27.187
Plus, you're going to be going throughout the Hawaiian Islands with us.

751
00:51:28.048 --> 00:51:30.290
But this is where we're going to end, Frank.

752
00:51:30.310 --> 00:51:34.372
You inspired me to turn to 1 Timothy 6, verse 20.

753
00:51:35.113 --> 00:51:39.116
Old King James says, listen carefully, Old King James.

754
00:51:39.696 --> 00:51:43.459
O Timothy, guard what has been committed to your trust,

755
00:51:44.540 --> 00:51:52.505
Avoid the profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called science.

756
00:51:54.386 --> 00:51:55.167
What a statement.

757
00:51:55.787 --> 00:51:56.367
Friends, listen.

758
00:51:56.627 --> 00:51:58.789
Frank Turek, wherever you can, follow him.

759
00:51:58.849 --> 00:52:03.852
Frank, what are the sites that they can follow you and your great post, your great, yeah.

760
00:52:04.592 --> 00:52:06.433
Cross-examine.org is our website.

761
00:52:06.453 --> 00:52:08.095
You can get to everything from there.

762
00:52:08.135 --> 00:52:09.596
Cross-examine with a D on the end of it.

763
00:52:09.616 --> 00:52:10.957
We have a podcast twice a week.

764
00:52:11.017 --> 00:52:12.899
I don't have enough faith to be an atheist podcast.

765
00:52:13.299 --> 00:52:14.200
We're on TV.

766
00:52:14.360 --> 00:52:17.342
We're on the American Family Radio Network.

767
00:52:17.562 --> 00:52:19.003
We're on the Real Life Network.

768
00:52:19.043 --> 00:52:19.804
Real Life Network.

769
00:52:20.124 --> 00:52:21.245
With the great Jack Hibbs.

770
00:52:21.265 --> 00:52:22.146
I don't know if you know that guy.

771
00:52:22.166 --> 00:52:22.906
He's really good.

772
00:52:22.987 --> 00:52:24.468
He's really good.

773
00:52:24.908 --> 00:52:25.829
The great Jack Hibbs.

774
00:52:26.730 --> 00:52:29.612
You get the real, we have an app, the cross-examined app.

775
00:52:29.632 --> 00:52:30.533
You have the, uh,

776
00:52:31.292 --> 00:52:32.873
Your app, Jack, we're on there.

777
00:52:33.833 --> 00:52:38.796
We are on YouTube all over the place because we do a lot of college campus events.

778
00:52:38.956 --> 00:52:41.677
I appreciate the prayers of people when we go to a college campus.

779
00:52:42.197 --> 00:52:46.259
We have over 3,500 videos on our YouTube channel, cross-examine two words.

780
00:52:46.699 --> 00:52:49.340
Many of them are Q&As from the college campus, Jack.

781
00:52:50.021 --> 00:52:51.582
And we're gonna start September 1st,

782
00:52:52.662 --> 00:52:58.788
With our first college event this summer or this fall semester, it's going to be at Western Carolina University.

783
00:52:59.268 --> 00:53:04.273
And we're doing Jesus versus the war on reality because Jesus is the truth.

784
00:53:04.913 --> 00:53:06.355
Yet there's a war on reality.

785
00:53:06.455 --> 00:53:08.056
People are rebelling against reality.

786
00:53:08.096 --> 00:53:09.177
What can we do about it?

787
00:53:09.418 --> 00:53:14.182
We're going to cover conspiracy theories because there's a lot of conspiracy theories out in our first series.

788
00:53:14.502 --> 00:53:15.764
talk at the college campuses.

789
00:53:15.784 --> 00:53:22.090
Then we're going to go to University of Georgia, University of North Carolina, Charlotte, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, Arizona State.

790
00:53:22.110 --> 00:53:23.812
We're going to be out later in September.

791
00:53:24.273 --> 00:53:27.096
Several other colleges as the semester rolls on.

792
00:53:27.436 --> 00:53:29.578
They can see all that at crossexamined.org.

793
00:53:30.685 --> 00:53:31.185
Perfect.

794
00:53:31.386 --> 00:53:31.786
Excellent.

795
00:53:31.846 --> 00:53:41.795
Everybody remember Jesus Christ, the prophetic declared Son of God, written in the Old Testament that he would come by even his own name was revealed to us.

796
00:53:42.015 --> 00:53:48.080
He came, he lived, he died, he rose again from the dead, exactly as prophesied by the Hebrew prophets.

797
00:53:48.621 --> 00:53:51.123
And Christ Jesus is coming again.

798
00:53:51.343 --> 00:53:51.924
Trust in him.

799
00:53:52.224 --> 00:53:53.846
He died on the cross for your sins.

800
00:53:53.946 --> 00:53:56.028
Friend, your morality cannot get you into heaven.

801
00:53:56.728 --> 00:53:59.689
If that can get you into heaven, then Jesus died in vain.

802
00:53:59.729 --> 00:54:00.669
He did know what he was doing.

803
00:54:00.789 --> 00:54:04.671
But he did know what he was doing as he's God's anointed Messiah for you and I.

804
00:54:04.691 --> 00:54:05.871
It's not church membership.

805
00:54:05.931 --> 00:54:08.392
It's not any religion that's going to get you into heaven.

806
00:54:08.832 --> 00:54:13.254
It's by your pure reliance upon the blood of Christ, the merits of Christ alone.

807
00:54:14.054 --> 00:54:15.775
And he's your salvation.

808
00:54:15.815 --> 00:54:19.696
Believe on him and you will not perish but have everlasting life.

809
00:54:20.136 --> 00:54:21.597
Until next time, God bless you guys.

810
00:54:21.817 --> 00:54:22.137
Take care.