Post Election Breakdown

0:00 That's it. The elections. Registering to vote. Voting. Taking the time to find out about the initiatives and the propositions and the candidates. That's it. I quit. I give up. It's not of God's interest. There's no reason why we should be involved. Tucker Carlson's correct. Candace Owens turned out to be a prophet. And it's all over. That's the kind of stuff I'm hearing from people. And it may be the way that you feel.

0:41 I don't know. But I do know this, that all of us are exposed and subject to what is reality and what is non-reality. And let's remember this. Reality is oftentimes much less dramatic than non-reality. Non-reality is most often overly hyped, overly enthusiastic, overly depressing. Because it is rooted and grounded in this thing that we have as humans, and that is our emotions.

1:22 And emotions play tricks on us versus reality. We must always bring our emotions under the preview of reality. And where do we as believers get our reality? How do we function when we bury our six-year-old child or the husband or wife walks out or we lose that job that we just wound up buying that new house and banking on having this career and the career of that, what do we do? What happens? Or an election doesn't go the way that you want it to go. What do you do? Oh my goodness, wait a minute.

2:03 The reality is this. that God knows exactly what he's doing. And yet, listen, God's will is done not sometimes. God's will is not done most of the time. God's will is done all the time. And as believers, this is where you and I must divorce ourselves from the non-reality of things and understand this, that The Lord is enthroned in heaven above. The Lord looks down upon the children of men and he sees all their ways. The scripture says there's nothing hidden from his eyes.

2:47 That we will all stand before God and give an account, which implies that he knows not only everything that we do, but everything that we think. He knows our motives. And so that's the reality that answers the non-reality. Because people are thinking, well, that's it. I'm even going to take a break from being a Christian. Are you kidding me? First of all, no Christian can think like that. Okay? We don't have the privilege to think that way, nor the freedom. We are God's people. You might be tempted with that thought, but how quick does it take? How quick does it take the Holy Spirit to say, uh-uh-uh?

3:29 What are you doing thinking like that? Repent now? Repent now? of that thought. I'm telling you, in my life, it's nanoseconds. I'm sure it's true in your life. Listen, believer, the truth of the matter is this, that in all of life's situations, what you and I feel like is the worst thing that could have ever happened. How do we reconcile that God has always known everything? He doesn't learn anything, He cannot learn, He's aware of all. So where's the disconnect? The disconnect comes with you and with me not walking in faith.

4:11 So think about this for a moment. There's a movement of or a flavor of those who call themselves believers. I say that a little cautiously. I'm sure there's believers that are caught up into this mess I'm about to speak of, but I'm sure there's a lot of non-believers that are messed up in it. And that is, well, God wants me rich. God wants me driving a Ferrari. God wants me living at the beach in a mansion. God wants me to have a private jet. God wants me to never whatever. You got it? Really? That's what God's Word says?

4:51 You know? Claim it? What's the... I put the word-faith movement type of thing. I just reduced it down to blab it and grab it theology. Well, listen. If that's true, then God becomes our servant and we become the puppeteer of the puppet who is God. God, you must do what I want. God, you must do what I desire. God, my will be done and you're the one that's going to carry it out. Okay, that's insane. And it might, I'm sure, probably is, I think it is satanic doctrine. Okay. And so is it when we begin to entertain thoughts that cause us to say things like, or think things like, did God really say that this would go on in life?

5:43 Or did God really promise that he would be with me? Or because I'm not feeling it. Friends, your feelings are going to rob you every single time because feelings, though, listen, God, imagine when God created Adam and Eve, they were perfect and they had perfect feelings. But since the fall, you and I have imperfect feelings. The whole thing's been jumbled up and short-circuited. The wiring has been short-circuited and we live in a fallen world. And only the Bible, only the Word of God, when you read it, can get you back in connection and bring all of your emotions and thoughts and fears and anxieties, no matter what the issue might be, back into not only the reality of God's Word, but I'll tell you right now.

6:36 On this day, recording this with you right now, just hours ago, I woke up, and you know when you're kind of awake and kind of not, that weird zone of waking up in the morning? And my mind was, this is the first morning waking up after the elections in the U.S. that didn't go the way I wanted them to go. But the thought was in my mind like, oh, that was a dream, right? That was a bad dream, right? And so then I realized that I'm awake. Hey, that's no bad dream.

7:17 It's just bad. That was my thought. And then in a nanosecond of time, I sensed the Lord say what he always says. You need my word now. Stat. Bible, stat. Stat. Jack, go do it. Now, I'm old enough to have to do this. I went and got a cup of coffee. So I'd make sure I'm really awake, sat down, opened up my Bible, and I read 20 different verses or passages of Scripture that totally began to change my mind, attitude, my spirit, and how I see things. What happened?

7:58 It's like going to a chiropractor. Now, not everybody's fans of chiropractors. I've had nothing but great experiences with chiropractors for 40 years. What happens when something's out and you're hurting and you go and you get, you know, they kind of massage your neck and your shoulder and then he kind of loosens things up and then quark and then it's like, oh, instant relief. And you're sitting, you're able to sit up straight. It's the only doctor I'm aware of where you go in feeling bad and you walk out immediately feeling different, except Dr. Jesus. You can go in to see Dr. Jesus, look at a visit in the Bible in your living room or in the backyard.

8:44 And you get an adjustment from Dr. Jesus in the word. And there's a transformation. You can't buy that. Folks, listen, I could not have taken a pill. Pfizer, Merck, none of them make a pill. that I could have popped, that could have caused biblical truth to be enlightened in my mind. But I opened the Bible, everything got snapped back into alignment, and the elections are God's business. I know what I'm supposed to do. I'm supposed to keep doing what I'm supposed to be doing. I don't have the permission from God to quit. I am not allowed to give up.

9:25 I'm his servant. He's my master. I am the follower. He is the Lord. He's got the answers. I only feel like I have the answers. So what we're gonna do right now with the remaining time that we have left is I'm gonna throw a switch here in a moment and we're gonna jump on over and meet up with my battle buddy, my spiritual battle buddy and friend, Tony Perkins. So let's dive into that. So, Tony, this is the real reason why I wanted you and I to talk in this post-election moment. Let's just talk candidly. I mean, most of our audience, both your platform, my platform, are believers, and— What is your takeaway?

10:13 I know that's been the big question by everybody asking everybody, what's the takeaway? But Tony, let's be a little bit candid. Let's get into the cathartic part of this as believers. What are you thinking? What are you discerning? I'm not even going to ask you what you're feeling. What are you discerning? Yeah, don't ask me what I'm feeling. Feelings don't matter at this point. That's right. You know, it's a good question. It's one that we should be thoughtful about and meditating about. I went to bed late last night and then got up early, was in prayer, praying, thinking, reading the Scripture. And one thing I don't want to hear, and I don't like this, it's one of those pet peeves I have, is that when people say this and this happened, but God's in control.

11:01 Well, you know, God was in control of Sodom and Gomorrah. That's right. It was the choices that people made. that led to the activity in Sodom and Gomorrah. So the question here is not God is in control. He's always in control. He's the creator and the sustainer of all that is. The issue is, are we in alignment with God so that the blessing of God and the protection of God can be upon our nation? I think the answer to that is resoundingly no. I'm just going to be very frank. I don't think it is. I don't think our nation is where it needs to be. I think what we saw last night is a couple of things. So there's many, many things that I'm processing as I go through this. But I'll just start with one. So I was a part of the platform committee two years ago.

11:44 You know that I had a fight with the campaign, with the Trump campaign, over stripping out the life issues, stripping out the definition of marriage. Basically, everything we stand for was taken out of the party platform. Now, I've lost policy debates before. I've been involved in this process for 30 years. But that wasn't the issue. The issue was how it was done. It was basically railroaded. Now, that happened at the same time the president was – there was an attempt to assassinate him when he was a candidate. So that conversation kind of stopped. But I've raised it from time to time when we look at the fact that abortion rates in this country are up 21 percent since the overturn of Roe. That's right. How is that happening?

12:24 It's happening because we have a policy by the Trump FDA that has remained in place, was started by Biden, but it still remains in place, that allows every mailbox in America to be turned into a delivery system for an abortion. That's right. So, you know, I've raised those issues. And I tell you, one of the first things I— since this morning is that the american people were very frustrated with not necessarily all the policies but the way in which this administration has gone about implementing those policies and and let me explain Let me use a biblical reference. Solomon's son. You remember when he became king, Rehoboam? Yep. Wow.

13:05 Remember the advisors that came to him? You know, he talked to the old guys and said, you know, if you just listen to the people, if you listen to the people, they'll serve you forever. What was it that Solomon prayed for when he asked for a heart of wisdom? You know what the Hebrew word there means, just a listening heart. Yes, yes. There is, and so I'm mixing a lot of stuff here, but I'm trying to get very quickly to the point. When I was in the anti-terrorist business, there's one thing. I went through this one course, terrorist analysis. And I remember one thing that was presented in that course, and I remember because I've actually incorporated it into my own teaching. It's the theory of change where the superstructure has to be in alignment with the substructure.

13:52 And if it gets too far out of whack, it creates revolt, revolution. or it creates this friction. And the issue is the president pursued a lot of good policies, but he did not bring people along. I mean, you heard this even recently when people are saying, you know, the gas prices, you know, and the president, I don't care about the gas prices. Well, a lot of people do. That's right. I feel like what I saw as I looked at the election results is what I've, My team and I felt after we went through that party platform process two years ago where we were railroaded. It wasn't – the process was ignored.

14:33 The laws, the rules were ignored. And I think many people are frustrated with what they've seen, not that they disagree with all the policies, but it's just how it's gone about. The president – Like Rehoboam didn't listen to the people and didn't bring the people along with the policy initiatives that he wanted. And so I think what it's I don't think it's a change in our country that we've become a leftist leaning country. I just think it was a result of frustration that a lot of conservatives didn't vote and a lot of liberals turned out in large numbers to vote. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I told you this before, but way back in 2016 when Trump was first elected, in California, we've never had any effect whatsoever of Trump being president over California.

15:26 I mean, we've been suffering under the... the yoke of this Newsom government in California to where even when there were some victories on the national scale, California would just wholesale reject those victories. And I'm citing, number one, the Hobby Lobby. Remember that? The Hobby Lobby victory regarding abortion and all of that. California blew that off. California, our attorney general determined that the Supreme Court was unconstitutional in their decision making. So for us, we've never had the influences of a Trump, the upside of a Trump's administration here.

16:06 So maybe Californians are feeling less pain than the rest of the nation because, again, we've never had any resemblance of that kind of victory. That said... Tony, just biblically speaking as believers, I love what you said a moment ago. And let's kind of talk about that some more because people need to get this into their heart right now as believers. Well, I prayed. I went door to door. I served. This is my first campaign I was ever involved in and we lost. Why ever get involved again? I thought God's will was going to be done. Wait a minute. This is God's will.

16:46 God doesn't need us to pull off his will. He's invited us to be involved in what he's doing. But God's will will be done. But he, what you said earlier, the Lord brings us along in this. He invites us to be in the battle. And clearly, many believers were not engaged in the battle. But that said, heaven right now is not wringing its hands. God is not wiping his brow and sweating it out as to how this is going to go. He knew before time ever began that at such a moment as this, this would be that result of, God's will has been done.

17:28 The question that we should be asking ourselves rather than complaining or feeling, what, sorry for ourselves, is what is God saying to us right now? Because prophetically speaking, I'm not going to, I won't give you a name on camera right now, but somebody texted me early this morning and said, what do you make of all this? It was a believer, by the way. And so I text back and I said, well, you know what? It makes a lot of sense to me prophetically that if we are on the brink of an Ezekiel 38 battle, and if we are really believing in the last days, Jesus said there'd be days like this.

18:09 We understand Bible prophecy to reveal that America is not... seen in Bible prophecy, but this is the sobering observation. The Ezekiel 38 battle described in Ezekiel chapter 38 mentions Iran, Persia. And right now, we have been, Tony, you've got this better than I do. We've been at war with Persia, with Iran for how long? And it's not over yet. And yet two times at least, two times Israel was on the brink of settling that situation. And we stopped them from advancing. And here we are, Tony, and it pains me to say this.

18:49 The United States has not won a war since 1945. Right. And it's so true. In fact, the vice president earlier today giving four reasons why he felt that the Republicans lost the election, one of them was the Iran war and number four on the list was our relationship with Israel. So I don't think we lost – the Republicans lost the election because of the Iran war. I think it was how they've executed or not executed the war with Iran because it goes back to what you just said. And I know the difference because I've worked alongside the Israelis back when I was in the anti-terrorist business.

19:30 That's right. We in the West, we work to contain our enemy. They work to eliminate them. Yes. There's a big difference between the two. And so when you contain your enemy, you never really win. And that's what we're doing in Iran. We're off again, on again, off again, on again, off again, on again. I think if the American people, you just would have went ahead and eliminated the threat, taking care of their nuclear threat. And moved on. I think the American people would have been fine. But this vacillating back and forth is what has drawn this out, and it's frustrated the American people. Yeah. Well, Tony, so what are your words to those who are right now feeling— They're feeling, let me underline the word feeling.

20:17 They're feeling like God didn't come through for them. They're feeling like, why ever get involved again? I mean, I understand the feeling of that, but I also understand that that's very warped and it's a very ill way of thinking when you put it up against the reality of Scripture. Tony, what would you say to that person? Well, Jack, I don't know if it's coming through on the screen, but, you know, not as pronounced as you, but I've got some white hair in here, okay? I've got some, you know, it's— Well, Tony, luckily for you, my eyes are so failing now at my age. You look beautiful. You look like you're 19. Okay, well, maybe you can see the receding hairline. You know, what do you call a line of rabbits walking backwards?

20:59 A receding hairline. So— The point is I've been around a while, OK? In fact, I was sharing this as we were covering the election last night with my co-host. I remember the first election night live coverage I did as a reporter back in 1992 when George Bush was defeated for a second term by Bill Clinton. And I remember my father, who's now with the Lord, he called afterwards, he said, boy, you sure can't hide your feelings. It was all over your face, the disappointment that you had in that election. And so God does not structure his kingdom based upon election cycles, okay?

21:44 God's timeline is not based upon the election cycles of America. He's not even, I mean, doesn't even factor in. God is looking from eternity to eternity. Our perspective, number one, needs to be eternal, okay? We should view all of this stuff in the light of eternity. Our engagement in the political process is, yes, it's in a temporal activity, but our goal is to have results into eternity. Amen. Amen. That's why Jesus said lay up treasure in heaven. Yes. All right? It's not like you've got some kind of bank account that you're able to send money to heaven like you can Venmo heaven with money.

22:29 It is what we're doing here that has residual into heaven. David, when David said, Lord, he prayed, let me live because I can't praise you in the grave. Well, we know that they're going to be around the throne of God in heaven praising him. So it wasn't a matter of being able to worship God. We're going to do that in heaven. It was the issue of affecting eternity. We can only do that in this life. And we do that by how we engage faithfully before God. And so first off, we have to have that eternal perspective. What we need to do is evaluate all that we're doing in light of eternity. And then secondly, we need to get away from evaluating success based upon election cycle.

23:14 We need to be thinking biblically when it talks about generational. What are we doing generationally to impact our country, our community, our church, our family? And when we do that, when we start having that longer perspective on things— We are sustained in the moments in which we have setbacks like we saw in this election. It doesn't turn our world upside down. Is it a speed bump? Is it problematic? Yes, it is. But we view it in light of eternity. We view it in light of the generational impact that we're seeking to have. Well, you know, what you just said reminded me of there's a book out there.

23:55 I haven't finished it, but I've read parts of it. And that is a book titled The 100 Year Marathon. It's OK. Are you familiar with that? It's regarding China's world view. OK. So you know, and the audience needs to know that they look at China looks at 100 year increments So for them, their sight is set on what to them would be the eternal perspective, 100 years for them. You know, there's another group of people that do the exact same thing, and that is the Islamicists. They look at generational goals and... Years ago, Bob McEwen, Congressman Bob McEwen said that Republicans fight until, Democrats fight until they win and Republicans fight until they lose.

24:48 But back away from that, regarding our Christianity, think about this for a moment. I think, Tony, because of a lack of Bible teaching, we've got Christians in the West living in the moment for the moment with a very, very short Range view of eternity. They can't see very far because they're caught up in the moment. So they're not planning ahead. They almost live like an election cycle. They almost live on some sort of seasonal cycle as believers. Yeah, I mean, we've been thinking how we do business. I mean, business operates on quarterly returns. Quarterly returns. It's not long-term.

25:30 I mean, they will sell the future to get a quick return now. So the question is, how do you live for Jesus in a microwave world where everything is instant, but we need to focus on the eternal? It goes back to what you just said a moment ago about Bible teaching. And believers need to be in the Word of God, abiding in that Word, because if you're not in the Word of God, you can't live out the Word of God. We can't speak prophetically to a culture, a word that we don't know ourselves and are not living. Wow, I love it. You know what? Before you and I went on the air, I just said, let's just be transparent. Let's just pretend nobody's watching. Listen, this morning, I'm assuming I woke up feeling like a lot of people.

26:15 I woke up this morning feeling like last night was a dream. And then what did I do? I got a cup of coffee to make sure that I could be able to take in what I was about to do, which was read my Bible. And what did I do, Tony? I wound up reading, I marked them down. In fact, I'm going to use them tonight in service. I wrote down 20 scriptures from Deuteronomy to Revelation. And all of them are about strengthening yourself in the Lord, trusting in the Lord, looking to the Lord. When these times come, look to his throne. And what happened? It wasn't the coffee. There's no coffee that's strong enough to do this.

26:58 I began to feel better in the sense that God has got this. In fact, then the thought came to me, wait a minute. It's not that he got it, like he just grabbed the situation. He's always had it. And now, hours after the election, I'm focused back on the Lord's business. We walk in the light of eternity. We put these things that are behind us. We learn from them. We press on. We keep fighting for our freedoms. This is America. And we hold the ground. We occupy till he comes. But look, I'm delighted that my citizenship is more precious to me now in heaven than it's ever been regarding here on earth.

27:43 With that viewpoint of viewing things in light of eternity and God's Word, and especially when we're in God's Word, like right now in our Stand on the Word journey through the Bible, we're in the Kings, reading through the Kings, and I mean, it's a rollercoaster ride. Yeah. You know, it's up and down, it's up and down. Look... live in a fallen world. These things are going to happen. It's going to be disappointing. It's going to be discouraging. But we have to choose, as Paul said, be filled with the Spirit rather than wine, which is dissipation. So we have to choose what you just said you did this morning. Get up, get a cup of coffee, get in the Word of God. I actually got up.

28:24 I keep a hymnal. in my room in DC. And so I pulled the hymnal out and I was singing, Mighty Fortress is our God. Wow. Because that is our fortress. That is our strength. That is our hope. Oh, that's so good. I had a time of prayer, time of reading the Word, And then I talked to our mutual friend, the speaker, and check in with him to see how he was doing. And he was doing well, too. I mean, he put it all on the field. He worked hard. Yes, he did. I commended him. Proud of him. I was of him. But when we do our part, okay, when we do our part, we can lay it down before the Lord and say, And we're just trusting you with the outcome and what you want to do.

29:20 Jack, when I ran for the U.S. Senate back in 2002, I knew the Lord called me to run, and I ran. And I gave it everything I had, but I didn't win. Only political race I've ever lost. And I was so discouraged because I knew the Lord called me, and I thought, well— Why didn't I win? Right. And I remember this. I was saying, Lord, if you would have just shown up, if I would have just had a little bit more money, I could have won this race. And I went away, as I often do. I went away, and I just went away for like three days just to pray and to fast and just to hear the Lord. And I'll never forget, as I was praying...

30:01 Holy Spirit led me to the passage where Jesus responded to Mary and Martha's call because Lazarus had died. Wow. And I remember reading where, you know, it was, I can't remember if Mary or Martha approached him first and said, if you would have just been here. Exactly. He wouldn't have died. And I thought, wow, that's just what I said. If you would have been here, I would have won. And then we go on to see that what they were looking for was a healing, but God had a resurrection prepared. Oh, man. So oftentimes what we see is a failure that we didn't get what we thought we needed or wanted because God didn't show up.

30:48 is actually God has something bigger in store. And six months after that, I was approached by Dr. Dobson, the Family Research Council, to come to work to the Family Research Council, which wouldn't have happened had I not ran for the United States Senate. And to be honest, you won't say this, but I'll say it. That work by God in you and through you... resulted and continues to be resulting in you having a greater effect in this temporal world and in the world to come, far beyond what you would have had as a senator, far beyond.

31:28 And so God obviously knew better. I just wanted people to be encouraged that as believers, and I love how you put that, it's like, God, if you would have been here, He's not only here, but we know theologically that His will was done in this election. I believe it is incumbent upon us to ask Him, Lord, what is it that you would have me to do in light of what you're doing? regarding this outcome. And I think, Tony, at the basic, the minimum would be, well, make sure you are rooted and grounded in your salvation in Christ Jesus, that you are getting your opinions and talking points and actions from the Word of God, that you, frankly, I think God is saying to the American Christian is grow up.

32:31 And he's not saying it like in a mean way. He's saying, let's grow up and move on to more eternal things than this temporalness. Here's one thing I know, Jack, that the Lord does not want us to be anxious. He does not want us to be—and that's not saying that there's things that catch us off guard. I mean, I get things that get me upset. Yeah, the Rams do it to me every week. Yeah. It's temporal, okay? Because Jesus said when he was praying for his disciples, he said, you know, look, there's some bad times coming. Yeah. But I've told you this so that you'll have peace. Yeah.

33:12 Even in the storms of life, the tumultuous times that unfold in the end times, which I believe that we are in or rapidly moving toward, that we'll have peace. And, of course, in Philippians. That we're to be anxious for nothing but by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving. With thanksgiving, yes. That's right. That means thankful even for the trials and the difficulties that we face because God is perfecting us through those. He's refining us and preparing us for his service. And what greater... What greater... What experience can we have in this life than to be used by God?

33:52 I'm one of those, you know, when I was in high school and I played football, I was, you know, I could not stand to be on the bench. And I'm always asking God, put me in the game, God. Put me in the game. Don't lead me on the sidelines. Let me go both ways. I will play defense and offense. Put me in the game, God. And what a joy, what a joy to be a part of what God is doing, especially, especially at this moment. I believe like you do. that we are in those final days, and that this is probably one of the most significant times on the timeline of human history which God has entrusted to us. And I don't want to miss the opportunity to serve Him, to advance His kingdom, to bring glory to His name as Jesus brought glory and honor to the Father by being obedient to Him, even to the point that it looked like He had failed in His mission, but in that He succeeded in opening heaven for all of us.

34:47 So good. I'm going to ask you this question, but I think you might have answered it. But let me just go out there with the closing moments that we have. I want to be sensitive of your time. Tony, answer the person, the Christian who is saying, I'm just, the world's too dark. It's just too hard. It's too tough. I'm just going to go sit on that bench. I'm just going to just wait it out. They're feeling, there's the word feeling again, they're feeling like why risk it all?

35:27 What's the deal? I look like a fool, you know, whatever. What would you say to the person right now that's getting kind of swallowed up with some discouragement and that whispering voice is saying to them, yeah, you know what, you ought to just kind of Never go out on the limb again like that. Don't speak up. Don't get out on the front line. Look where it got you. Yeah. Well, they're listening to the wrong voices. I mean, I think of David when he went back to Ziglag and everything had been carried away and his men were ready to stone him. I mean, I can't think of a lower point, your wife, your kids, everything's gone.

36:09 And what does it say he did? He strengthened himself in the Lord. Yeah. I can't give someone the words that would encourage them, depending on where they are, but I know somebody who can. And his name is Jesus Christ, and he operates through his word and through his Holy Spirit. And so I would encourage you, in those moments of discouragement... Number one, I would put on some praise music. I listen to praise music because I want to be... The Lord inhabits the praise of those people. And Jehoshaphat, as he went out to war, he had the singers praising God. And then open the Word of God and spend some time in the Word of God and allow the Word of God, which is a living...

36:54 Word to speak to you where you are. I guarantee you, guarantee you, that if you will be in the Word of God, the Word will speak to where you are, what you need, when you need it, to encourage you and strengthen you in your walk with the Lord. Of course... If you don't know the Lord, you've got to know him because he only speaks to his children. And so I would encourage you, if you've ever made Jesus Christ your Lord and Savior, that you need to do that because the world's going to get darker. It's going to get more difficult. It's going to become more challenging. But I can assure you, because God's Word says so, that if you will trust the Lord Jesus Christ as your Savior and walk with Him in obedience, you are going to walk in peace and joy even in the midst of that story.

37:42 Tony, so good. Last final word. I want to just lay this out there, and let's see what happens. Could it be, Tony, like it was during COVID, this is a test. This election, let's say, not so much political from God's perspective, but it was a shaking of who's a Christian and who's not a Christian. Because let's be honest, James Tallarico is not the example of what a Christian is. But the shaking has caused people to choose where they're going to plant their flag, so to speak. Could it be like COVID did? Could it be like BLM did? Could it be that the shaking right now in this issue with Islam advancing?

38:25 Somebody told me last night something like 60 Muslims were running for offices in the nation. collectively in all 50 states. That said, Islam is advancing. That makes this whole thing spiritual. It's always spiritual. But that said, I would not be surprised, Tony, if what's going on right now that we have been caught up thinking that it's election issue is actually yet another event of God shaking the nation and what is called the church to reveal what truly is the church and who really are Christ followers.

39:05 And I think in short order, I'm not a prophet. I'm just thinking out loud here that I would not be surprised, Tony, if in a month or two or three, we look back and see, wow, there you go. There's another. Israel was a test. COVID was a test. BLM was a test to the church. And that election was a test to the church. I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah. I think it could be like an Isaiah 6 moment where our focus had been on this reform message, hoping the king of the Golden Age, Uzziah, was going to be the vehicle through which this change that we so desired was going to come.

39:48 And with his death... That's when Isaiah encountered the Lord high and lifted up. The government of governments, the ruler of rulers. And not to say that we don't need to be involved in the government of man. Right. But our hope and focus needs to be in the government of God, which is eternal and which encompasses even the temporal reign of man. Wow. So good. So good. Tony, thank you, brother. Thanks for giving us the time. I know you've got a busy day. I love you, brother. Thank you, brother. Stay in the battle.