How Prophecy Saves

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Real Life presents the Jack Hibbs Podcast with intention and boldness to proclaim truth, equip the saints and impact our culture.

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Hey you guys. We are sitting down today. Your mind's going to be blown. Listen, we planned on 30 minutes. It's going to be a little longer. Why? Because we could not stop talking about this topic and I think you're going to love it, so stay tuned.

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Well, everybody very excited about today's podcast, and for good reason, in fact. Listen, this podcast is a wee little representation of the podcast that our two guests are able to achieve by God's grace. I mean, these guys rock the world for truth when it comes to not only biblical knowledge and scriptural teaching, but something that I love with all of my heart. In fact, it's this doctrine of the Bible that God used to lead me to a saving knowledge of Jesus, and that is Bible prophecy, otherwise known as eschatology. And with us we have these two best-selling authors, and I love these guys.

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Todd Hampson you're going to be exposed to a little bit of his talent, not only in his ability of speaking and writing, but of illustration, which I have a cartoon mind. I love it, I love it. And Jeff Kinley, who we've had the opportunity of having Jeff Kinley with us before, but just a tremendous, tremendous duo of truth needed so much in these days, because Bible prophecy if you don't mind me putting it this way, bible prophecy is being molested in the hands of those who occupy the pulpit today, and I think that's a shame, because the Bible says in Revelation 19, verse 10, that Jesus himself is the spirit of prophecy. That is, that God, and the God of the Bible, reveals his truth to us, and some of that truth is advanced knowledge, which we're going to talk about, proves the existence of God. So you guys, welcome, welcome to our podcast and let's just dive in. First of all, I got to ask you, todd, how everybody can go and see your books and how they're themed out in this way.

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But let me into your mind, I want to know that's a scary place to be.

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I don't tell anybody this, but for me people will say Jack, you've got such a great memory, you always remember people's names. I do. But I do remember people's names, but the way that I remember is not so maybe complimentary, because if I meet somebody, immediately my cartoon mind I see them, what feature pops out of them?

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Yes, that's Mike.

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That's Mike with the long neck. He's Mike, the giraffe yes, yeah, hey, it works.

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It works and I meet him three years later. Hey, mike, how?

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are you? How do you remember my name?

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And I never can say it's because you look like a giraffe.

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I could never say that, but when I read stuff like this, you might say Jack, are you kidding me? Isn't this for kids? Hey, there's more doctrine in this book that looks like a cartoon book than most churches. You're going to get out of any pulpit these days. So I love the way that you think and tell us how is it that you came up with this? I really want to know. I have to know.

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You bet I'll give you the abbreviated version is I grew up completely unchurched, didn't know anything about the Bible, that's probably a good thing.

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Yeah well, the Lord definitely used it. And when I was 13, through a weird set of circumstances, the Lord led me to a Christian school, heard about fulfilled Bible prophecy, because I believe the Bible was a book of fairy tales. I believe that in evolution, all nine yards. But the one thing I couldn't explain away was fulfilled Bible prophecy, and that's what broke down the barriers and eventually led to my salvation. And I was also an artist, even as a kid I was drawing all the time, and I have a company called Timbuktoons where we produce animation Timbuktoons, Timbuktoonscom, yep, timbuktoonscom.

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Yep, timbuktoons, timbuktoonscom yep, timbuktoonscom, yep.

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So we produce a lot of cartoons and stuff for ministries and that sort of thing. So that's my background before I started doing the book stuff. So I've always been a visual learner and developing IPs and stuff with characters, and I wanted to produce a book that put handles on Bible prophecy for non-church people and Christians who maybe are intimidated by it or confused by it, and poke fun at it a little bit. Let's have some fun and have some funny illustrations. And also what I found is a lot of people are, like me, visual learners that when you see something it draws you into the text, but also it helps you remember like the giraffe neck, it helps you remember the content. Yeah, and that's kind of the thought behind it.

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I love that because when I got saved, I got saved on a Monday night, june 20th 1977. It was a Monday night and by the end of the week, not knowing what to do with the Bible because they gave you a Bible, I didn't know which end was up. But the first book of the Bible I read was the book of Revelation. And for me, in my mind, I thought this is amazing. You know why isn't this a movie? But I could see these things in my head, a dragon rising up out of the sea, and I was like, oh my gosh, why doesn't everybody read the Bible? And I'm really grateful that I cut my teeth on the Bible in the book of Revelation because, to be honest with you, everything after that was very much downhill in the sense that explainable. That makes sense to me. That makes sense to me. So awesome, yeah, absolutely amazing. So, jeff, you are so busy. Did I read this right somewhere? Did I read that you have authored? Is it some 40 books? I think so. Yeah, or more than that, more than that.

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He's being humble.

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There's 40 books, and then another 12 books and this and that You've got a million. Was it a weekly million download podcast? Going on, you're top 1% of all podcasts in America.

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Is that both of you guys together?

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The Prophecy Pros. Can you tell the people the address of that ProphecyProscom. Oh, everybody you gotta do that, you gotta check that out ProphecyProsPodcastcom or TheProphecyProscom, either one of them Easy enough, huh. So Jeff is this your latest?

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Yeah, just came out.

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Explain it. Yeah, what drives this?

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Oh man, I tell you, I was so excited. I've written books on Revelation and Bible prophecy and stuff. But I was thinking about what? About Jesus' own words? So I said to my wife in a crazy moment I said, sweetheart, I think I'm supposed to write this book, but I think I'm supposed to fly to Jerusalem and do research right there on the Mount of Olives. This Olivet Discourse and my wife's always been one of these put wind to my sails things. She said oh, you need to go for that immediately. So I got on a plane New Year's Eve, flew to Tel Aviv, took a taxi and had a private guide, spent a whole week just researching, just feeling the dust and the dirt. Don't you just want to?

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do it. I'm almost crying. I'm crying right now because I know what you're. I have felt what you've been.

07:31 - Speaker 3
Yeah, you've been there. When you're there, you just like have to just take it in, yeah, and you're sitting on the Mount of Olives and you're seeing the exact panorama that Christ saw. And because that's what the Mount of Olives is all about, Olivet Discourse is seeing the end times through the eyes of Jesus himself.

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So good People. Get these books. Get these books and make sure you read them. I see that the publisher, a good friend of ours as well. Harvest House, the wonderful people there at Harvest House, okay, so let's dive into this.

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So the Ukraine, russia, iran, north Korea, china, where do we stop? Turkey, syria, for now, and it's whatever. It is Iraq you got all these areas that are, so to speak, on fire.

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Recently, obviously recently, the world and I say the world without exaggeration, the world experienced the election or re-election of a guy by the name of Donald Trump and the almost immediate shockwave in the international world, because all that was being played out here in the dark in America I mean at nighttime, I mean pm hours. Well, much of the world was living that day in the sunshine. And now we're seeing information coming from places in the world, from Paris to Tehran, to Beijing, moscow, where people were hearing the news being reported and they stopped. They stopped in their tracks. Donald Trump was elected again. And what I find that so amazing is, prior to the election, iran, the clergy in Iran. They were telling their congregants in their mosque go contact your American friends and tell them to vote for Kamala Harris. Wow, and post-election data shows that they did not do that. In fact, the Muslim vote of all things.

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I mean, I'm still trying to process that.

09:37 - Speaker 2
The Muslim vote in America broke heavily for Trump. That said, that was a shockwave in the world. And here's my question to you guys, with what just happened in this election, from your biblical vantage point, if you're Iran now, we all know about Persia in the Bible. What are they thinking right now If we were assuming that we might be seeing the formation of Ezekiel 38, maybe in the last recent times? What's happened now? Are they going to maybe act quicker before Trump's inaugurated, or not at all? What's your gut feel about Persia, otherwise known to us in our day as Iran? What's up?

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I think back. I'm old enough to remember the Reagan election.

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Same here.

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You remember back when he was elected, right Like it was yesterday? Yeah, and he's enough to remember the Reagan election Same here.

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You remember back when he was elected, right Like it was yesterday.

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Yeah, and he's going look you better release our hostages right now, because under Carter they wouldn't release them, but all of a sudden they saw this strong man coming, this presence coming in. The hostages got released. I see a similar thing with Trump. I think there's going to be some hesitation there at least there should be because Iran's been very bold, they've been very braggadocious of their attacks against Israel. So two things to me is number one Trump represents that pro-Israel stance. So now, as the past couple of years we've not had a real backing of Israel, strong backing, strong alliance Now here comes Trump. So they've got to put that into their mix.

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And the second thing is is in terms of globalism. Because if you remember a couple of years ago, I mean, here we go, covid hit, and all of a sudden the world's, we've got to become one, we've got to have a global alliance here, but someone's standing in the way and here comes the election and boom, he's out. The one nationalist among the group was Trump. So he's out, biden's in, he's in lockstep with the WEF and that type of thing, but now Trump's back in. So it'll be interesting to see geopolitically and, as you said, you talk about shockwaves. It's a tectonic shift in geopolitics.

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Exactly, I agree 100%. Tectonic shift is a great analogy, because that's what I'm thinking is, the puzzle pieces are shifting around a little bit. All the nations you mentioned have some kind of tie back directly to Israel.

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That's right so.

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Israel is rising as the neon sign that we're in the end times. All eyes on Israel. No matter what news you connect with, somehow, some way it traces back to Israel right now and I think, yeah, with what's that? What a coincidence.

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Yeah, what a coincidence, yeah, the center of the world the center of Bible prophecy.

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Yeah, don't you love that. Yeah, isn't that great.

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So I think Tom will tell you. Either you wonder if they're gonna fast track things and make a move, or if they're like, oh okay, well, we didn't think he was gonna get in. Now we gotta take our time and down a little bit. I'm not sure.

12:22 - Speaker 2
Yeah. So listen everybody, we're just, we're just talking here right now. So none of this is thus saith the Lord or thus saith Jeff or Jack or Todd, but we're just bringing you in on this coffee table talk, so to speak. So I had to say that to preface with what I'm about to say right now. So, if I remember correctly, the book of Ezekiel tells us that Israel is going to be dwelling in its own land. They're there, they're going to be tilling the land. It's going to be productive. The vineyards they got all that Not to be, not to confuse it with the millennium or anything like that. We're talking about the dry bones being brought back to life, brought into their land. And now we're in Ezekiel 38. And it tells us there that, while they are living in safety and, if I remember right, that Hebrew word is an assumed peace, it's not the Hebrew word that means an actual peace, like Jesus is the Prince of Peace. It's not the shalom, they're not experiencing the shalom of God, they're experiencing an assumed peace.

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So it could be that we're at a time, right now, let's say that Iran doesn't move, jeff, with what you just said, totally consistent. I believe you know, and I don't want to lose my train of thought here, but what you just said I hate, gosh. I hate to be so blunt about it, but people in the Middle East will say you're right, and it's this that world over there, they don't respond unless it's power. It's been that way for thousands and thousands of years. It's the language. They even respect it of years. It's the language, they even respect it, even if it's their enemy, they respect that. Having said that, they may very well just recoil back. Israel may be sensing oh wow, look at that.

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Let's let our guard down, let's relax.

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And let's get our economy, you know, up and going again, because man there's. There's no more saber rattling coming out of Gaza, hezbollah has been dealt with, iran has been pushed back in the corner and everything has gotten real calm and nice. Isn't this a great time? Our economy is booming. Wouldn't it be something that the election that we just saw in God's we're just speculating in God's plan is? I'm going to put Trump in for many reasons. One of them is how about I'm moving this chess piece right here? Israel is going to feel really safe After all, he is the guy that relocated the embassy to Jerusalem and Israel's going to be all really happy and content. And then, all of a sudden, we read about Ezekiel, where suddenly the invading army comes in. What do you guys think about that? And don't agree with me. I need to be corrected.

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Well, twice in that passage it says that it'll happen in the latter days, this Gog-Magog invasion. Twice it says they're living securely in the land, they're living in unwalled cities. I think that's a euphemism to talk about the fact that they do feel safe. We feel unthreatened, non-threatened. So with this strength moving in as you said, they respect strength With strength moving in, it seems to me that Israel could begin to let her guard down. Israel never completely lets her guard down, but to a certain extent she could begin to feel that sense of security, that sense of safety, that sense of protection from America as the big brother, if you will. Then that could give them a sense of being lulled to sleep. To where now those three primary nations, among others, but with Russia, iran and Turkey moving in, now's the time to strike, when they're not least expecting? I mean, october 7th was a great example of that.

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You know, it's interesting because October 7th what did the IDF express? Right after October 7th, we had let our guard down right. We should have had a presence there, knowing that the big Nova party was a big deal. But what's interesting right now, Todd, is that with the Trump election, this also means that the checkbook is gonna be flowing more freely to Israel as well. That's been a problem under.

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Biden.

16:41 - Speaker 2
But that also is this sense of feeling peace. Israel may have all of the awesome experience of their technologies that they just used. We know that they went into Iran. What'd they do? They went into Iran, syria, iraq and just busted bested, I should say the S-300 systems. Russia, you know their technology didn't see the Israelis coming or going and that whole thing was a three hour long process and they couldn't figure out where the Israelis were coming or going from All of this. So it's possible, too, that Israel's kind of like wow, look at what we've got. They couldn't even see us coming or going.

17:29 - Speaker 4
And at the same time, they have internal coherency for the first time in a long time. When they got attacked, they realized okay, ideology doesn't matter, we need to stop bashing to an extent, netanyahu and such and such, and come together just to defend, just so we can survive as a country. So it's unified them a little bit as well. And I think, too, another key detail with Ezekiel 36 and 37 is that, if you look carefully, they come back into the land, but in unbelief and I mentioned that because, a lot of people say well, what do you mean?

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they're back in, they're back in, they're going to be. They're not all Christians, no, they're mostly secular. Absolutely true, because if you read it carefully, they cut their, they come to their feet first, then later. God breathes his breath in them.

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Todd and I know you guys are different, not different, I mean, you guys are we're different.

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You guys are the exception to many Bible prophecy teachers who just don't bring up the fact that Israel is in the land. We've all been there, maybe maybe some of you have been there. I always have to warn our tours that once we land in Tel Aviv, we get everybody together. I always have to tell them now you're going to be shocked to hear this, but people are going to announce to you that they're Jews, that they're Jewish, but they don't believe in God, and it just blows your mind. It's like wait, what are you doing here then? But what's amazing about that is I'm so glad you said that because you don't hear that, because there's a lot of replacement theology people and there's a lot of really poorly taught pastors that well, israel's an illegitimate nation because they don't believe in Yahshua as Messiah and so it's not legitimate. Failing to recognize what Todd just said a moment ago, god said I'm going to bring them back in unbelief.

19:19 - Speaker 3
It's like walking out of the movie before the movie's over with. The story's not ended yet. I mean, god says there's more to come and, as you said, there's so many there that you say, well, how can they possibly be in that land and see God's protection, supernatural protection, and not believe? And we go to Romans and we see Romans 11 where it says a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles. So there's an end to the story here.

19:44 - Speaker 2
So, by the way, this is totally unscripted. You guys, we have nothing rehearsed about this.

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You said the word until Paul's remarkable treaty, the book of Romans, romans, chapter 9 deals with the Israel of the past. It's really simple. Romans 10 deals with the Israel of the now and Romans 11 deals with the Israel of the future. And the point is God's going to restore his people. He's promised there will be a remnant. God's word will not fail.

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Having said, that is where we're sitting. We're not all that far from the LA area. When I say LA area, you got to remember we're talking the city's 4 million people. The region is about 13 million people surrounding LA, so we're not all that far from there. And I say that to say this, when October 7th happened 2023, the following Sunday there were people, because we have a thing here at this church If you're visiting for the first time, then we have all the new visitors sit up front. We reserve front seating for visitors. We just like that.

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And I was seeing these people who are clearly Jewish. Wow, after October 7th, and I'm looking at them and the Holy Spirit in fact, if you go back and listen to messages around that time period, the Holy Spirit was possessing my soul to just step it up, to provoke the Jew in front of me to the jealousy about our Messiah. So I just started. I mean, here we are in the book, we're going, we are in Romans and we just started pulling up all of these wonderful prophetic Old Testament scriptures about who the Messiah is, and one after another was coming to the knowledge that Jesus is the Messiah. I mean, it's radical.

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That is the Lord man and one particular guy. I'm not going to mention his name, but I had a chance to show him from the Old Testament that Jesus is the Messiah and I don't think he believes it. But he's struggling with it because I know he got stumped. He's never quiet, he's Jewish, he's never quiet. And when I showed him, for example, proverbs 30, verse 4, proverbs, you never think of Proverbs as not a prophetic book. But you certainly wouldn't think of Proverbs as not a prophetic book, but you certainly wouldn't think of Proverbs as being a book of apologetics. In this sense, proverbs 30, verse 4, says who is he who holds the seas in the fold of his robe and the wind in his fist? What is my name and what is the name of my son?

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if you can tell me oh, my gosh.

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And I shared that and I do share that with my Jewish friends and I shared this with this Jewish individual and he looked at it in English, pulled out his phone, confident you could tell, confident that he was going to disprove me wrong and he goes to his Hebrew Bible on his phone and he looks at it and this has been the response to many Jews I've shared this with he's looked at it and he says it's, it's very much stronger in the Hebrew.

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In the Hebrew for your wow wow, oh my goodness, what about those dodgers?

22:56 - Speaker 4
yeah, you know, just like this. Yeah, it's that hardness in part.

23:00 - Speaker 2
Yeah, hardness, the truth hit. You could see this vague moment and then poof, yeah, it was gone, but until the fullness of the gentiles has come in. And do you wonder, do you, do you kind of think, maybe, with what we're seeing after post-October 7th, do you see maybe the veil starting to crack or lift? Do you think something's going on? Do you think all the news Israel, front and center do you think God is using this right now to kind of let at least the three of us know? I'm about ready to go to work with my people, sure absolutely.

23:39 - Speaker 4
If nothing else, just seeing how he's protected them over and over again just recently, it's almost like I mean, every time they're attacked you know 1967, every war they're supernaturally protected, but more so now. I mean what? Two ballistic missile attacks and nobody dies. That's Jewish. No, that's insane. How does that happen, come on? So he's got to be trying to get their attention and preserving them for his prophetic purposes as well. So I would think he's trying to wake people up, and we often joke like who's that last Gentile that needs to get?

24:10 - Speaker 2
saved. We do too.

24:11 - Speaker 1
Let's go find him or her or whoever it is Exactly.

24:13 - Speaker 4
Accept the Lord, hurry up, yeah, that's so true I often think about.

24:21 - Speaker 3
sometimes I'll watch college football and maybe it's my team and we're getting just pounded on the turf or whatever, but some reason they come back and they win the game. I'll go back and watch the game again, like the next day or the next week. Now I'll see the fumble, I'll see the interception, I'll see the offsides, but I know we're still going to win this thing. And the thing that I see with Israel is that we have to keep in mind there's a spiritual war going on. Yes, and Daniel talks about Michael, the archangel watching over Israel. You don't think he's been busy in the past?

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year or so. Think about the reality. I love that, Jeff.

24:49 - Speaker 3
I mean, it's just a spiritual clash of forces and we don't always win every battle. We're going to win the war, but we don't win the battle. That's right. But what you mentioned here about the fullness of the Gentiles and you follow it up with a verse that we all take out of context, where he says for the gifts and the callings of God are irrevocable, that's Israel. He's talking about Awesome. I've called Israel's going to come back, 100% guaranteed. How do we know that? Because of past fulfilled Bible prophecy Amen.

25:16 - Speaker 2
That fulfill Bible prophecy? Amen, that's right. Have you guys ever been asked this question? So, pastor Jack or Jeff or Todd, how does a Jew get saved?

25:30 - Speaker 3
Well, what? How does a Jew get?

25:31 - Speaker 2
saved. And now I often play with the individual with respect. I'll say to them well, let me ask before I want to be saved, because you go to church here. Are you saved? How did you get saved? Oh, I believe that Jesus died on the cross for my sins and rose again from the dead. I believe that he's the son of God. How do you know that? Well, jesus said you must be born again. John, chapter three. And I said, right on Are you a Jew? No, I'm a Gentile. Okay, fantastic, you just answered the question. Jesus gave the answer to a Jew. Nicodemus was not a Gentile, he was a Jew. How does a Jew get saved? Exactly how we get saved. But the message was given to the Jew first and then the Gentiles. And so it's quite remarkable, because there are those walking around saying, well, we get saved this way and the Jews get saved some other way, and that's a big, that's a big no.

26:24 - Speaker 4
It really is. Yeah, there's that dual covenant theology teaching where you don't even have to witness to Jewish people, they're automatically going in. What a what a lie from hell.

26:32 - Speaker 2
That is Satan.

26:33 - Speaker 4
That's Satan, because they need to hear the love of Christ and scripture tells us one in in Romans 11,. One day all Israel will be saved. I believe that's at the end of the tribulation.

26:42 - Speaker 2
Agreed.

26:43 - Speaker 4
Jesus said you will not see me again until you say blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. Zechariah 12 tells us they will mourn for the one who is pierced. So it all links up. It's puzzle pieces, but you put them together and it all tells the perfect story.

27:03 - Speaker 2
And right now, during the church age, it's Jew and Gentile together. Yeah, that's what Paul was saying in Galatians 3. You know we had the high privilege several times, mind you to have Dr John Wolvard here in this church. Oh, wow, and always an incredible blessing. Of course and Wolvard pointed out numerous times you know, this is the first time in 2,000 years that Israel and the church have coexisted at the same time. That's how close we are to the end. Wow, think about that.

27:26 - Speaker 3
That's huge. That is huge. I had the privilege of studying under Walford when I was at Dallas Seminary. I mean, not only was he a giant in the faith, he was a giant man.

27:34 - Speaker 1
He was.

27:35 - Speaker 2
He was. He was a huge guy. He falls into Huge guy. You know Fulls into a car.

27:38 - Speaker 3
you know he knows they sit down with these legs and arms but yet at the same time a humble servant of Christ. You know, it's very gracious and that type of thing, but the books he wrote primarily about Bible prophecy Jack they've stood the test of time.

27:53 - Speaker 1
They're gold.

27:53 - Speaker 3
They're not headline exegesis, they're not just looking at events in the world and trying to make sense out of them. No, just looking at events in the world and trying to make sense out of them, though he's going to the Bible first and then telling us what the Bible says, and then we look at our world and go, whoa, that's happening right now. I don't know.

28:05 - Speaker 2
Yeah, by the way, correct me if I get this wrong, but you can go to johnwolfordcom. He's got a website that they still manage quite well, and it's W-A-L-O-O-R-D Did. W-a-l-o-o-r-d Did.

28:18 - Speaker 3
I get that right, W-A-L-V-O-R-D.

28:19 - Speaker 2
Oh gosh, I forgot the V Walvoord, yeah.

28:21 - Speaker 3
Walvoord, Walvoord yeah.

28:22 - Speaker 2
So check him out and if you see a book of his for sale, buy it. You don't have to think about it, just buy it.

28:43 - Speaker 4
I just heard a really cool story it. I think, schaefer, he was still alive at the time, right Schaefer said I need somebody to teach eschatology, and he had been and Walvoord had been praying I think I'm supposed to be a missionary, but God show me if I'm not so that one conversation pivoted him from the mission field to teaching prophecy. And now look at the millions of lives that he's touched through the seminary, through students and stuff like that. Oh, incredible.

29:02 - Speaker 2
Anyway, side note, no, no, no, it's wonderful. And you guys are of this genre where these craftsmen of the word you think of what you guys do, you think of what Wolverine? You think of J Vernon McGee guys who are able to unpack things that are complex and make them so simple. Mcgee to the point where he almost makes them funny. But you know he's solid and he's there but he brings you know, I think how they say, the cookies down on the lower shelf.

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So where are we right now, you guys, in the timeline of things? I mean, of course nobody knows the day or the hour, but I'm a big fan of Paul saying but of that time and of that hour you'll have no need that I should write unto you. I take that as and maybe I'm taking it wrong I take that as well. Nobody knows the day or the hour. That's pretty crystal clear in the Bible. But concerning the times and the seasons, meaning to me, my understanding is that's probably how the sons of Ishachar operated.

30:11 - Speaker 4
That's right, very good.

30:12 - Speaker 2
They discerned the times and the seasons they didn't have. They didn't walk around with a board sign on their chest. You know this day Jesus is coming. But when you look around and you see, for example, the Soviet Union no longer the Soviet Union, it's back to being Russia I think that's significant. Of course, you mentioned Israel back in the land. But you see other things too that could be Harbingers, where you see a leaderless Europe. I mean, let's be honest, oh yeah, europe is leaderless. Right, it's weird. It's almost like it's begging.

30:50 - Speaker 3
That's right, there's somebody to pop up.

30:56 - Speaker 2
And it's kind of creepy, you know, in a good way. Look, I voted for Trump and I've had a couple conversations with Trump and that, and dandy I he's. You know, people get all bent out of shape. How could you talk to the man? His tweets or whatever, come on, I talked to, I've talked to anybody, everybody, and I and I didn't vote for a pastor, I voted for a president. So the bottom line, though, is this is that you see how, in that moment that it was obvious that Trump was going to win the election and I mentioned it earlier the glow began to respond and the US stock market exploded. I mean, millionaires were made in minutes after the day after the election. The point that I'm saying is that I told somebody I don't know if it was Lisa, my wife, or somebody near me I said you know, it's kind of creepy. It's kind of creepy because even other countries Japan's they had a parade, an impromptu parade. Immediately they had Trump.

31:54
Oh, my goodness they did, and I'm thinking okay, I know Trump's not the Antichrist, but that's kind of weird when the nations are so starving for leadership that they, in my opinion, and they went over the top just even celebrating Trump. But it just goes to show you how desperate yeah, and how close we are.

32:14 - Speaker 3
Because you know, todd, and I use this term accelerants. You know accelerants in Bible prophecy. It seems like you know, like you're going downhill like birth pangs Jesus talks about. But you know, john said 1 John 2, 18, my little children, it is the last hour. I love that. Now, if it's the last hour in the first century, jack, where are we? I mean, we're in the two minute warning, we're in the last few seconds. And then in Hebrews 10, 25, 26, he says don't forsake the assembling of yourselves together, but all the more encourage each other Unless COVID.

32:42
Yeah, unless COVID, then stop assembling that was a COVID verse and of watching the tribulation come first. But he ends it by saying he says encourage one another, as you see the day approaching.

32:54
So that presumes that we can see the day approaching. Now again, we don't know the day or the hour, but we're certainly in the season If you think about, like John 14 and the whole idea of the wedding motif, and the bride never knew when he was gonna come back and take her to the father's house, but she did have a general season. She knew it wasn't gonna go on forever. That's right, and usually it was a 12-month period for them.

33:21 - Speaker 2
I'm indebted to Joe Foch, who's the pastor at Calvary Chapel in Philadelphia. He made me laugh a while back. He was talking, he was going through a prophetic book of the Bible, I don't remember where, and he said you know, the world is in such condition that if Jesus doesn't come back soon for the church, it's not going to be a surprise, right, think about that statement, you know. You chuckled at first and then not going to be a surprise, right, think about that statement. It's. You know. You chuckled at first and then you realized wait a minute, gosh. Well then, immediately in my heart is well, joe, I know what you're saying, but, wow, the Spirit just spoke to my heart saying that's the times and the seasons.

33:58 - Speaker 4
Well, you know, we read about Christ's first coming. It says he came in the fullness of time, which?

34:03 - Speaker 3
obviously Ephesians 4, 4.

34:04 - Speaker 4
Yeah. So I mean obviously that means God's prophetic timing we have a time marker in Daniel 9, from the rebuilding to the coming of the Messiah. But also, I think that also means the condition the stage had to be set. Yes, the Greek language had to be prolific in the area so the gospel could go out. The Roman road system had to be in place so the gospel could go out when they were persecuted. So I think it's the same thing with the second coming is we see the day approaching. We're seeing the stage being set. Necessarily, we don't know the day or the hour it could happen at any moment but we're watching the stage being set. At some point the play is going to kick off and the longer time goes on, the more we're seeing the stage being set.

34:43 - Speaker 2
Man, you're blowing my mind right now because of what you said regarding the Roman road. You know, people thought back in those days Rome built that road for commerce and to expand the kingdom Pagan empire. Yeah, sure, god basically must have been saying go ahead and do that, but I got a better use for it. So you think about the internet, you think about the ability for us to communicate to the world instantaneously. Now, well, it's all been used for evil. Well, that's not exactly true. But we look now in a post-COVID era where this is just one reporter reporting to you that. I hope I don't get in trouble for saying this.

35:32
Covid, for us, was the single most greatest thing God used in 35 years of our ministry to get the Word of God out to more people instantaneously. Because all of a sudden, the world is shut down. I think I'm going to prove it now, if you just follow me. The world was shut down. We, just when the world shut down, this staff showed up and we worked overtime. We set up sets. Women's ministry was streaming, children's ministry streaming. We had, we were doing certain. Nothing never stopped.

36:07
Okay, but the thing was this we started reaching people and it was kind of shocking because we started to receive. We started to receive envelopes from people from around the world sending us cash to tithe. I didn't know the Bible during COVID, so we're getting whatever Vietnamese money is. We're getting that. We're like we can't use this, but it's very cute. The point was we were starting to meet people in the millions. Without that COVID thing, yeah, we would have missed it. But the punchline for me was the fact that during that brief period of time, we baptized 3,011 people down at the beach and we, for quite a season, had to do four Sunday services. So you're talking about 2,700 people per service. What People were flocking to the truth? Yeah, that's right and God used that. I cannot help but believe that's part of God's end time. Reach Todd, you were going to say something I was going to say.

37:13 - Speaker 4
by the way, we were cheering you on from afar.

37:15 - Speaker 2
Yes, we were.

37:16 - Speaker 4
We live in Georgia and Arkansas. It's pretty friendly to Christianity. We're not facing the same thing you guys were. We're like that's what's coming our way. These guys are on the front line right now, these pastors who are saying, no, we're keeping our doors open. We were cheering you guys on and Jeff and I do these. Things called pop-up conferences, a one-day conference. We actually did one for a church, and I won't even say where it is that pipes your sermons in on.

37:41
Sunday morning and they have church, they have an elder board, but they don't have a teaching pastor. You're their teaching pastor, oh my gosh. And we were there on a Saturday, did our whole conference, and then next Sunday people were coming to hear you preach. Man, that's right.

37:54 - Speaker 2
That's crazy, but that's end time stuff.

37:56 - Speaker 4
Yeah.

37:57 - Speaker 2
Doesn't Daniel Jeff? Doesn't Daniel talk about something? That's end time stuff? Yeah, it is. Doesn't Daniel Jeff? Doesn't Daniel talk about something? Maybe chapter 12-ish about knowledge shall increase, can you guys?

38:05 - Speaker 3
dive into that. Yeah, he says in the last days that many will run to and fro. And, what's interesting, there's kind of a dual application to that, if you will, because on the one sense, we get the fact that, yes, I mean, we're talking on the Roman road right now, we're walking the Roman road, you're watching us on the Roman road right now. So, yes, the knowledge has increased. That's Daniel, chapter 12 and verse 4. But for you, daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time. Many will go back and forth and knowledge will increase.

38:38
Well, what's really interesting here is in that passage, and I do believe without a shadow of a doubt that with the explosion of communication technology, that there's been more ability to get the Word of God out. What's interesting? I did a deep dive on this passage and found that this word knowledge here is a word that's in the Hebrew Bible is used 93 times to refer to the knowledge of God. And what's very interesting is this phrase go back and forth is used in the book of Amos to talk about the Jews searching the scriptures.

39:11 - Speaker 2
Jesus said you search the scriptures for in them you think that you have eternal life, but they are.

39:16 - Speaker 3
They are they which do testify of me, yep and I, todd, and I both believe this is that in the last days, you're going to see a surge in people wanting to know more about this Bible prophecy thing and for here, especially the Jews, during the tribulation. Okay, check this out.

39:34 - Speaker 2
This is not classified, this is not top secret stuff. We happen to have a wonderful relationship and a friendship with Secretary Mike Pompeo and during the COVID, opening days of COVID, when Iran was shut down, the CIA, he said monitors, internet, satellite, everything, phones, computer, they got it. He said you know. People talk about the cloud. He says believe me, there's more than the cloud.

40:16 - Speaker 1
Wow.

40:22 - Speaker 2
And it's their job at the CIA. At that time, remember, he was CIA director and then he was. Then Trump had him over as Secretary of State, which is actually a great thing, so he brought that in on top of the fact him being a military guy. But Pompeo, from his mouth to my ears, he said, when things were shut down, immediately our our bells and whistles went off. We were being warned by our systems that there was a massive download of information, like a funnel going into Iran. So the CIA, he said we went to take a look at what they were doing. What's everybody doing? And this is awesome. This will give you chills, man, I think I know where you're going. Everybody was shut down. So listen, a lie works fine, I guess, until it's exposed. So people living in the Islamic lie of religion and the false God, when no one's looking, apparently, and you're stuck in your house, you start searching. Pompeo said the data being downloaded were sermons, praise the Lord, bible search. You know that. You know that that Got questionsorg or whatever All of this?

41:44
Iran, iran. He said it set off their warning systems. There's something going on. They took a look and it was Bible. And he said there were people in the defense and the intelligence agency. Oh what? Oh, it's nothing, they're just downloading Bible sermons and stuff. And Pompeo said it just sent chills up my back that they were grabbing onto the word of God. Tell me Satan may I'm just guessing Satan may have caused COVID. God used it beautifully. Oh, absolutely. As he always does as he always does. He's the redeemer.

42:16 - Speaker 3
That's the sovereign God who is over all of history and he is orchestrating history towards his appointed end. It's a great narrative that God has planned out. Todd and I were talking earlier today. God is a master storyteller, he's the master artist, he's a master author. And the Bible and for those of us out there who may have not just really gotten into your Bible, this is where the truth lies, this is where everything is found, and the more you read the Bible, the more it reads you, the more you dig into it, the deeper you know God. So that's why. That's why we're talking about this, because this is what the Bible tells us.

42:47 - Speaker 4
You know, you mentioned, you know Satan causing evil and then God flipping it, flipping the script and using it for good. If you think about it, why does Satan keep going on? He keeps getting his his tail kicked. He thought he had Jesus dead. Jesus rose from the dead. He's tried all through history to destroy the Jewish people. They're still alive. He thought he had Hitler.

43:09 - Speaker 2
He thought he had Hitler.

43:11 - Speaker 4
Oh, I was watching. I'm glad you said that. I got goosebumps right now On the plane ride here. I was watching a documentary on World War II and we've always talked about how Hitler was a type of the Antichrist. Satan was trying to fast track the end times. Thousand year Reich yes, he wanted to kill all the Jews, yep. Well, I was listening to the conversation that he initially had with Mussolini and Mussolini's and this is gonna give you goosebumps. Mussolini's exact words were he wanted to start a revived Roman empire, and they said it two or three times in the documentary. I never connected those that makes sense.

43:46 - Speaker 2
coming from Mussolini, he had two people in place in history.

43:50 - Speaker 4
Either one could have become the Antichrist. So Satan's showing his hand, and that shows you how close we are. How about?

43:55 - Speaker 2
this. Do you think this is just between us? Do you think? Because I mean Satan's deceived, but he's not stupid and his own lies have deceived him. That's what lies? Do they deceive you? That's right, but he's not dumb. Do you think that he seeks to have an antichrist for every generation, just in case, without a doubt? Do you think so, without a doubt, because he doesn't know.

44:25 - Speaker 3
That's right, so he's got to have some guy ready.

44:27
Right Got to have somebody on deck waiting in the wings ready to jump into the game. Waiting in the wings always why? Because he doesn't know God's chronological timetable. He has to have someone being groomed Now. He doesn't know if this person's going to grow up and die, and that kind of thing. But at the same time, think about this, jack, that even if the rapture doesn't happen for another 30 years, he's alive now. Antichrist is alive, can you imagine? Because he's not going to be a teenager when he comes on. He's got to have some sort of political clout.

44:58 - Speaker 2
He's going to have some. Well, we know he's going to have this remarkable. No doubt it's demonically, satanically powered, but he's not going to be a little kid and he's probably not going to be some old man. Yeah, think of that. He's probably going to be that. You know that weird. I don't know what you call it, but you know he's got a little bit of gray. He's young enough, but you know he's GQ, exactly uh you know very attractive.

45:18 - Speaker 3
George Clooney kind of guy that's yeah, that's right, with powers of persuasion, with oratory skills, with ability to deceive, and then surrounding himself with people who also have the deception powers as well. So, yeah, he's. I think he's gonna be politically connected, but he'll come out of nowhere.

45:33 - Speaker 2
He's the little that's right, he's the 11th horn yeah, he's the 11th.

45:37 - Speaker 4
I'll overtake three, that's where you're going.

45:40 - Speaker 2
That's what I was doing. Horn will put down the three. That's it.

45:44 - Speaker 4
That's right, exactly.

45:45 - Speaker 3
So he comes out of nowhere, he's obscure, but Satan is grooming him right now, in our world today, and at some point I believe after the rapture, there'll be some gap period. We don't know how long it's going to be. But that chaos you thought COVID was chaos. Wait till this chaos happens. And then in comes this man who says our friend Jan Markell says Mr Fix-It. He's going to come in and say I've got a plan and the world will swoon over him like a 12-year-old girl at a Justin Bieber concert. Oh yeah.

46:17 - Speaker 2
Yikes, what do you think about the condition? I'll ask you first what do you think about the condition Todd of the church in the world and the church in America? Is there a difference?

46:29 - Speaker 4
Yeah, I mean honestly, I think the church is going back to like it was first century. It's a remnant, it's raw, it's frontline. It's the underground church in China and Iran that's rising up. It's the remnant of believers that we're seeing at these small and large churches all over the country and even in Canada. We did.

46:50
We had a couple of pop-up conferences in Canada people hungry for the truth and they're more oppressed way more oppressed in Canada and they're hungry for truth and they're seeing what we're seeing. But by and large and I don't want to bash the entire church and there's some great churches out there but the awakening we're seeing in the remnant believers wanting deep truth being taught is refreshing because it hasn't been in the church, by and large, a lot of churches, for 20 or 30 years. Now it's become a little bit softball fluff, surface level. Let's give them the you know, attract the whole world to come in and we don't want to say anything that offends them or challenges them. Well, how do they get saved?

47:27
Because I had to have my world wrecked and realize I was a sinner before it came to Christ. So I think it lines up with the end times church. There's a falling away, there's a drifting away from big words, orthodoxy and orthopraxy, what the Bible says to do and believe, believing that this is the inspired, inerrant word of God. That's going out the window with a lot of churches right now. So I don't wanna be, you know, chicken little, the sky is falling, but I think we are seeing the end times church, the falling away and the refreshing side, the remnant believers rising up, the churches that stayed open during COVID, that are boldly talking about things that are political, that sway into biblical. You know, not be political to be political, but to have the courage to talk about issues that may be political because they're in the Bible.

48:13 - Speaker 2
Why can't the word of God speak to a political issue? Well, why stay out of politics? Good, right on. But that doesn't mean and I do mean this in a very sarcastic way I think politics should tremble when a Bible believer opens up a scripture and says I am about to speak from the word of God to my culture. Murdering babies in the womb is absolutely an abomination to almighty God. And of course the reaction is you can't say that to us. That's religious, isn't it funny? Secularist Satan runs into a biblical topic, sticks his flag in it and then says this is a political Hands off. Hands off, political, you can't talk about it. And sadly the church took its tail and said okay, I guess we can't talk about abortion. And they, you know, recently people have tried to do this regarding borders and we've had pastors and Christians say we can't close our borders, we have to love our neighbor. There's an old Testament verse that says we can't close our borders.

49:23
We have to love our neighbor.

49:25 - Speaker 4
There's an Old Testament verse that says welcome the outsiders and the foreigners.

49:29 - Speaker 3
That's exactly what they used.

49:30 - Speaker 2
He must have been thinking about our borders, forgetting that Daniel and Paul in the book of Acts, chapter 17, says God created borders and established the nationalities of those in those borders.

49:40 - Speaker 3
Listen. Don't tell Elijah not to speak to authorities. Don't tell John the Baptist not to speak to authorities. Don't tell John the Baptist not to speak. Don't tell Daniel not to speak to those men.

49:49
Listen, this is the way God uses people many times, and guess what? As you've said recently in Daniel, chapter two, it is God who raises up, and when Nebuchadnezzar refused to acknowledge God, god hit him with a dementia. He hit him with a disease of some sort that incapacitated him until he recognized the God of heaven, and that's the thing that blows my mind about God, is that, you know, countries rise and countries fall. You know, isaiah, chapter 40, talks about God, blows on leaders, and they, like the chaff that drives away their dust on the scales, and they're nothing, they're less than nothing to God. The kingdom that is going to last, though, is the kingdom of the coming Christ. When every president has been forgotten, when every ruler and premier and prime minister has been long gone, king Jesus will still be on his throne. That's what we're looking forward to, that's what we pray. Thy kingdom come, amen.

50:43 - Speaker 2
So good, so real quick, we've got to wrap this up. I have no idea. I totally lost track of time, so we'll wrap this up real quick though. Testimonies Jeff, how did you? How did you? How did Jesus find you? Oh brother, yeah that's exactly right.

50:59 - Speaker 3
That's exactly right. I grew up in an unchurched, non-christian home in South Carolina. All-american home baseball apple pie the whole thing, it's just a great thing, great parents, wonderful parents, but just all-star athlete but also rock and roll guy. So I'm the long-haired drug-dealing hippie in high school. Until one high school student decided to take a risk and be my friend and he hounded me over and over and again. We played guitar together, we played basketball together and then he earned the right to be heard, invited me to his church.

51:30 - Speaker 2
He earned the right to be heard. That's right Friendship evangelism.

51:33 - Speaker 3
That's right, Exactly. And Jackie asked me a question that night at church that no Christian ever asked me before, because people tried to witness to me and they were afraid of me. He said if you were to die tonight, do you know where you'd spend eternity? And as this ultra sarcastic, very proud role model hedonist, I just said I think I need Jesus. What and I had I had. I came to Christ in that pew. No one led me in a prayer. I believed on Christ, I cast myself before him and at age 16, my life was radically changed. In a second, in a millisecond, I'd never read anything deeper than a comic book. To that point. I took his own Bible he gave me that night. I read it cover to cover. I read 50 books my first Christian year as a Christian Hal Lindsey's, Lake Grape.

52:19 - Speaker 2
Planet.

52:19 - Speaker 3
Earth all those things, and that's what got me into loving the truth and loving God's word and it, I mean, I've never been the same since. So that's how God found me, and I say that as a word of hope, because you look at me then and you go, nah, he's never going. Don't look at people like that. God can change people, but it takes another person sometimes to make that happen.

52:39 - Speaker 2
Isn't it awesome that and help me out, I'm having a fog bank here where scripture says from here, from this time forward, we do not know one another regarding the flesh, that we only know each other in Christ. And think of the power of that, because it's beautiful, because you and I we've we've had our paths crossed before and I've only known you in Christ. And then I didn't know till just now that you were a drug dealing hippie and I wish you wouldn't have told me that.

53:15 - Speaker 3
My wife says I would have never given you the time of day had I met you then.

53:19 - Speaker 2
But I'm joking, of course, because there are those who feel well, god can never forgive me, I'm too big of a sinner and I was never a long-haired drug-dealing hippie. I watched them, I saw them, you know, I saw them and you could smell them. Yes, exactly. But the magnitude of of sin when he touches you, when, just when that, when that lightning strike of his revelation touches your mind, it's just that, it's that nanosecond moment where he, he touches your soul. And you realize, for me, anyway, when I heard, by the way, a revelation chapter 20 was the sermon preached never been to church before in my life, walked into a church.

54:07
It was a hippie teaching a bible study. His name was greg lorry, oh yeah, and I didn't know who he was. And there was a maniac playing the piano. The crowd was going crazy and this was at calvary chapel, costa mesa, in the day, and this crazy white guy with the everybody had afro hairdos back then and this, this guy, was just tearing this piano up with bare feet. His feet were going on the keys and I didn't know who that was. I found out later on it was Keith Green.

54:33
And it was a Monday night at Calvary, Costa Mesa, Greg Laurie preaches Revelation chapter 20. His message was entitled how to Inherit Hell and he went down the list and I was like I mean, I wasn't guilty of everything, I didn't have to be the first thing he mentioned that I was. Oh my gosh, that's me. There was this stab and I knew I was in trouble, and how beautiful it is of God to invade us from the outside in. That's right, it's just so awesome.

55:01 - Speaker 4
So true, man, that's the heart, yeah so for me.

55:05 - Speaker 2
So you got to, I'll do these two right now. Yeah, there was fire, that's right yeah.

55:12 - Speaker 4
Exactly, we need it, brother. But yeah, I mentioned a little earlier, I grew up on church as well, and 13 years old, this is why I I love ministries like the student ministry here.

55:27 - Speaker 2
That teaches depth to young kids because 13-year-olds are asking.

55:28 - Speaker 4
they can't formulate them in intelligent questions, but they're asking and seeking for those big questions. So I was that kid Again. I grew up. This will give you a snapshot of where my head was when I made it. I was in a Christian school for about three months only because we almost failed the seventh grade. So my dad said we're gonna get you straightened out, we'll send you to a private school. The most affordable one was a Bible-believing teaching Christian school. So I was there three months. That's where I first heard about the gospel, and my art teacher was also my Bible teacher, who had a passion for unchurched kids.

55:59 - Speaker 2
The art teacher. He must have been a great art teacher.

56:03 - Speaker 4
What a coincidence. Exactly, and I was the only. I look back now I know I was the only unsaved kid in his class, so he catered the whole chapel and Bible teaching to me and would answer any questions I had. I mentioned I thought the Bible was a book of fairy tales and I believed in evolution, and this will give you a snapshot of where I was. We had an art contest and the art I submitted at a Christian school was a graffiti covered subway train car with an alien getting off the bus with a smoking gun.

56:32 - Speaker 2
I think I saw that somewhere.

56:34 - Speaker 3
He made a movie about that.

56:36 - Speaker 2
Wasn't there, like a blue light over there.

56:39 - Speaker 4
And this art teacher let me submit that in the Christian school, because he didn't want to shame me for where? Because I didn't know any better. That's right, that's how I grew up, you know. But anyway I left that school before I was saved. But, like I said, fulfilled prophecy. Two things got my attention One historical evidence that Jesus was a real person. So I was like, oh well, okay, he was a real person. And then fulfilled Bible prophecy. That made me believe the Bible is a supernatural book. So, long story short, it took a few months of me really seeking the Lord and praying. I was genuinely praying God. I wanna know truth. If this is real, make me believe. And I was praying that prayer one day, and I don't recommend this. If you hear the gospel respond now, I was a little slow, but I was genuinely seeking and I think he was patient with me peeling back some layers. But I was praying that prayer one day. Lord, if you're real, help me believe. And then my next sentence was Lord you're real.

57:34
I do believe it was like a light switch went off in my heart. I know that was the moment I was regenerated, I was born again, and I'll never forget that moment. I don't know the date, I was in a room by myself, I wasn't at a church or anything, but I'll never forget that day and it's embedded in my soul. It's something I'll never forget and the rest is history. God worked in my life to grow me. I needed a lot of growth. So by my early 20s I was plugged into a church and serving and all that stuff and never looked back. You know, amen to that.

58:02 - Speaker 2
You guys are awesome. We love you guys and keep it up. And friends, listen Todd Hampson. He has authored how many books now total?

58:11 - Speaker 4
12 in that series and then three or four other illustrated books with other authors.

58:16 - Speaker 2
Yeah, that's amazing to me. And then, jeff, 40 plus 12 books. Get your hands on these books. I'm sure that they'll be available in the link for you to check out more, but we were talking before we turned the cameras on, and that is.

58:37
I personally believe that the narrative that is thrown out there that you cannot prove the existence of God I do not believe that's true. I don't believe that's a true statement. I believe you can prove the existence of God, and it's called eschatology, bible prophecy, beyond any shout of a doubt. In my opinion that if you're struggling with the existence of God, or can I rely upon the Bible? I want you listen. Doubts are fantastic as long as you get them answered, and God can take a doubt and feed it the truth, and that will become your pillar. And Bible prophecy is one of the greatest things at least it is for me that has settled all the other doctrines of the Bible. Now, maybe, maybe you know you're not supposed to think this way, but I do. I trust what is called the soteriological doctrines of the Bible, the salvation doctrines of the Bible. I trust them because I know that the God of the Bible knows the future and he has revealed that in the scriptures for us to know that, and isn't it interesting that Satan offers up false prophets? It's certainly important to Satan. It should be important to you to understand the word of God.

59:52
So, whatever these guys do, follow them, subscribe, go to their podcast, get their books. That's why we're sitting down here. And so listen, be ready. If there's anything going on in your life that's not pleasing to God, you already know it. I didn't even have to say it, you already know it. He's been harping on you about it, and Todd said it a moment ago.

01:00:16
When you hear him speaking, obey, because it's coming from the one who loves you the most. You don't even love you the way that he loves you. You don't care about your soul as much as he does, and so please give your heart to Christ. He died on the cross for your sin, rose again from the dead, and there's no merit on your part that can warrant your entrance into heaven. You've got to come to him, quite frankly. You've got to come to him, allowing him to ruin your life, ruin your life in this world. Let us die to this life. That's what he wants to do with us. So listen until next time. God bless you guys, and as always it's, it's our belief that it's time for you to live out what you believe in. It's always time for real life. God bless you guys believe in, it's always time for real life.

01:01:08 - Speaker 1
God bless you guys.