Mama Bears Unite

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Real Life presents the Jack Hibbs Podcast with intention and boldness to proclaim truth, equip the saints and impact our culture.

00:09 - Speaker 2
Hey everybody, you're gonna wanna hear this. Don't think for a moment that what you're about to hear is a localized event or a battle that's somewhere. Nope, this battle is actually a war. It's happening in your community and you're gonna find out what it is. So, listen, you're going to want to stay tuned, you're going to want to take some notes, and then you're going to want to get involved. So hang on, here we go.

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01:07 - Speaker 2
Well, hey, everybody, welcome back to this special podcast together as we take on. Obviously, in this season of elections taking place all across the United States, everything has become local. Now, that's not to take away from the great national debate and the battle between Trump and Harris, of course, but, as we learned during COVID, that politics became very, very local, very personal, when we were all locked down and we began to find out what liberties we had and some that we had lost. But we also began to take notice that in our schools there were a lot of stuff that we were eavesdropping upon, as our kids were, and our grandkids were going through school online right they were being put through, which opened up an onslaught of parental care and concern, so much that school boards across the US began to be populated by angry parents, angry moms, angry dads and I'm a real fan, by the way, of angry moms and angry dads, because their kids' interest is number one to them. So we have a very special opportunity right now, because I have invited four candidates that are running for the Capistrano Unified School District seats that they might win their seats. I want them to be on this podcast, I want you to listen to them, and listen before you tune out.

02:43
Hang on For those of you who are saying well, I live in Omaha and I live in, you know, queens, new York. Why should I stay tuned? Because what's happening and what you're about to hear is happening in your school district too. The war is on for your children and it's time for us to stand up, and so we're going to go right around. Ladies, first of all, thank you for being here, and we are just going to dive into this. So I do remember from the gala the other night that your first name is Lisa, right, so? But can we just go around? Can you introduce yourselves? Absolutely.

03:17 - Speaker 3
Well, thank you for having us. I really appreciate this opportunity to be able to speak with you and about things that are really important with us and I do believe it actually absolutely affects the whole country. But I'm Lisa Zollinger and I've been in Orange County for 21 years. I've lived in Ladera Ranch for 20 years and I've been raising my family there. My husband and I have been married for 26 years. We have five children and we chose to live in Ladera Ranch because of the Capistrano Unified School District.

03:46
It's fantastic. People know it, my husband and I. Actually, I'm a credential teacher and I used to teach elementary school. But currently my husband and I own a real estate brokerage and we are moving people down into this district regularly because they are looking for what I was looking for and they're coming from districts and other areas that have this agenda that's been pushed in. But the thing that I've noticed in the last five years, especially even a little bit before COVID, is that the homes that I'm selling are people who have been there just as long as I have, or sometimes even longer, and they've seen that agenda starting to penetrate into our schools and so they're leaving where some people are coming thinking they're getting this conservative school and the other people are like I'm off to Tennessee or Texas and and other places, so that's me that's so, so true.

04:39 - Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah, it's been a weird thing. Lisa, my wife, I have a Lisa in my life as well.

04:46
So it's interesting because she just told me this morning that she knows a family who left here, chino Hills we have a conservative school board here but they moved to Idaho and they were in Idaho for the last few years. And the young woman on this particular day that we're recording this my wife's teaching the women's Bible study and this woman came up and said I'm back, I'm back. And she goes oh, it's so great to see you. You know how long are you in town? For she goes no, no, no, we're back. And, shockingly enough, if we don't hold down the fort and keep things right, things can go sideways quickly, because what happened was, she said oh no, we wound up leaving Idaho because what was going on there was actually worse than what it was here, and so they've come back. So there is this shift taking place all over the country.

05:42 - Speaker 4
I'm Sonia Terwiski, so I am running in Elisa Viejo and Laguna Niguel area. I'll get into why I'm running in a second. But just going back to what we were saying, what happens here in California? It feeds and trickles down to the rest of the country, right, and we're in Orange County. To me, I see it. I'm like we're in the best place in the world. I might be a little bit biased right now, but I love where we live.

06:07 - Speaker 2
We can say amen to that.

06:08 - Speaker 4
You're right, thank you, you're right, thank you, yes, like I love where we live, and I'm just like, no, let's fight back. I've been to Tennessee. I love going to Tennessee. It's great for you know, 30th, 40th birthday, let's stay here and fight back. And for me, I have a six year old and a three year old. The way I see it, I have an entire K through 12. Yes, ahead of me. And you know, enough is enough of reacting. I don't want to react anymore. I want to be proactive and it's like, okay, all these battles that we're fighting right now it's a trickle down of something in the past. But what does seven years from now look like? Seven years from now, my daughter is going to be in high school and I'm going to be navigating issues like potential male, biological male, who now wants to be a girl or maybe is a girl or wants to shower with the girls.

07:10
And that is problematic. I have an issue with that. Or even you know, if you take that out of the equation, what about just academics? We're going to be facing college academic skills. I mean, what about that? And the way I see it, with how all these votes went down? Um, I'm like no, the school. School's place is education, it's curriculum. That's what you do. If I drop my kids off to a soccer practice, I expect them to learn soccer and not ballet. Like the same goes for school. Like, if I drop you off to you off to school, you need to be learning academic skills and that's why I jumped on. That's my reason. I mean, that's why I'm here.

07:51 - Speaker 2
Yeah, I just so love what you're saying. Completely For me personally, born in San Diego, but then my parents, we migrated so far north that we wound up in Orange County and so grew up in Orange County and so grew up in Orange County, and you're exactly correct. Now I'm obviously old enough to be your dad. But I can tell you something right now I used to ride my bicycle from our house and I would ride my bike and go and lay my bike down in the grass and eat my lunch at a place called Santa Ana Municipal Airport it turned out to be John Wayne Airport, but it was the best place in the grass and eat my lunch at a place called Santa Ana Municipal Airport. It turned out to be John Wayne.

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Airport but it was the best place in the world to grow up.

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And we'd go to the beach every day and it was just everything. It was the you know, it was like the beach boy. The SoCal vibe was amazing and it's just one of those testimonies where you often hear people say I know Dennis Prager says this that whatever the leftist or the progressive touches, they destroy Because this used to be Ronald Reagan land and it was very conservative and very, very. Now some people still think it is. But again, I'm a dinosaur. So I remember when it was just so conservative. But I agree with you and, by the way, just for the record, I didn't say anything about Tennessee. Both of you have jumped in on Tennessee. That was interesting.

09:10 - Speaker 4
Because I've lost a lot of friends to Tennessee, idaho and Texas.

09:14 - Speaker 2
Yeah, we all have.

09:16 - Speaker 4
I love these states, love these places, but these are my friends, lifelong friends, that have now moved away for different reasons. Schools, pricing, inflation, I mean all of it.

09:25 - Speaker 2
So that's why, again, the shocker is these great states that you just mentioned. What a lot of people don't realize is what's going on inside the school, and the education system started here. And somebody might say it's not happening in Texas. Have you gone to a school board meeting in Texas? Have you gone to one in Boise? Have you gone to a school board meeting in Texas? Have you gone to one in Boise? Have you gone to one in Nashville? You need to go because it's something. So wow, Great, great word yes.

09:55 - Speaker 5
So I'm Jennifer Adnams and I'm running for Capital Unified in Area 1, which is Dana Point, capo Beach, a little bit of San Clemente and a little bit of San Juan Capistrano. I've been in education for over 30 years. I taught in Capo Unified back in the day when I first started my career, taught second grade for six years. My husband's been a longtime teacher in Capo Unified almost 30 years, teaching middle school math. I always say something must be wrong with him, but no, he's an amazing teacher, amazing guy. And then I've kind of moved all over the place educationally. I stayed home with my kids, worked in their private school, taught, tutored, substitute taught, and then I homeschooled them for seven years.

10:41 - Speaker 2
Okay, hang on pause. Sorry to interrupt you. You and your husband both have your roots in public education. I heard you say a moment ago private school and then homeschooling. Why on earth were those options interesting?

10:59 - Speaker 5
for you. Well, a couple of reasons. When our son was a toddler, he had some developmental issues and we were noticing he was going to need a little extra help and so we did look at, we did take advantage of some public school services, but when we compared what he was going to face in the local public school we were in Huntington Beach at the time versus the Christian school that was nearby, shout out to Huntington, christian amazing school, the Christian school that was nearby, shout out to Huntington, christian Amazing school.

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We liked what they offered better.

11:30 - Speaker 4
Got it.

11:30 - Speaker 5
And so we put him there. And then when we homeschooled, then my husband did sort of hear about it, you know, at school, and it was a little bit like wow, you guys are doing that. So we have just always felt like we will take care of our child's needs. Our children have individual needs and we will take care of that, whatever. And so the right place that meets those needs, that's what we do. So we did switch around. You know they were in private school and that didn't even. That wasn't even the perfect fit.

12:02
That's right, so we did. We homeschooled for seven years and then moved to San Juan, capistrano about 10 years ago. My husband was making that commute every day from San Juan or from Huntington beach to San Clemente.

12:15 - Speaker 2
What an ugly drive. I mean, somebody has to put up with that I know, you know it's, it's terrible, but yeah.

12:21 - Speaker 5
So we were fortunate to move closer and now we're in San Juan.

12:32 - Speaker 3
And at that point.

12:32 - Speaker 5
My daughter. Our daughter wanted homecomings and football games and so we put her back in school. She ended up graduating from CUSD but I got a job as a teacher with a charter school. So I oversee families from all over Orange County independent study charter school and I love my job. It's amazing. So I've had a lot of experience through all the ways you can educate children and the thing that got me into the race is just watching what my husband and I have been watching over the decades, like you, and what my husband is facing in his classroom increasingly every day.

13:04
We just were thinking this is not. This is now not okay. It was kind of never okay, but now it's just like out of control, not okay. And we got in contact with Lisa Davis. Lisa's a she's going to introduce herself, but she's a sitting board member for CUSD. My husband got connected to her through the COVID situation. He was looking at having to get a vaccine that he didn't want to get and maybe lose his job over it. We got connected to Lisa and she was hugely powerful in keeping that away from it being enforced for the teachers. She and the superintendent at the time really worked on that. So he got to keep his job, which was great, and we got to meet Lisa and so our connection with Lisa. We watched Lisa bring a very common sense parental notification policy back in October and we watched the current board, the current majority, five to two voted down and the policy simply said whatever happens at school with your child, you get to know about it.

14:12 - Speaker 2
Say that again. Listen, I want all of you guys to hear, because this is happening in your city, your town, somewhere. Listen to this again.

14:19 - Speaker 5
Yeah, Now I'm simplifying it, but this was the message.

14:22 - Speaker 2
Right.

14:23 - Speaker 5
Whatever happens in school with your child, you get to know about it. That was the policy that Lisa Davis brought forth, and five trustees voted it down. Five of them. And that's when I felt the Lord say to me. I said she needs help, like I'm praying as I'm sitting there. I'm like Lord, she needs help and he goes yeah, how about you?

14:44 - Speaker 2
So I'm curious the five that voted it down. Are they still in office? Yeah, Do you know their names? Can we say their names?

14:52 - Speaker 3
Well, we're running against them. They are our opponents.

14:58 - Speaker 2
Yeah, but I'm just asking if you can tell me their names.

14:59 - Speaker 4
I'm running against Krista Castellanos, so she's out of Elisa Viejo. She's the current trustee and she was one of them that voted.

15:05 - Speaker 2
She voted down. She voted down. She voted down parental notification parental authority. She voted down. It's none of the parents' business Once they step onto our property. These kids are ours.

15:21 - Speaker 3
And I'm running against Michael Parham, who also voted against it, who I just learned last week. He runs on a platform of parental rights. He's fighting for parental rights and it's shocking because I'm not really sure what he means by that, but he basically said in a meeting that he is fighting for the parents who would like privacy rights for their children.

15:54 - Speaker 2
Oh wow, I have to, I have to read.

15:54 - Speaker 3
This is like he might've gotten an A in creative writing or something. Yes, and I didn't know we were working out of a different dictionary. I thought we all were on the same page.

15:59 - Speaker 2
Exactly.

16:00 - Speaker 3
We're not. So when you, when, when my voters look at the ballot statement, we almost look identical. Maybe not in our experience, because he's had a lot of board experience, but in terms of our platform it looks identical, but we're talking about completely different things.

16:12 - Speaker 2
You said a good word different dictionaries, same words, completely different dictionaries, yes. So his spin is and wow, yeah, I am for parental rights. And really what he's saying is I'm for the parental rights. Who the parents say I don't want to know what's going on in my kid's life. That's who I'm for.

16:36 - Speaker 3
Do I have that right? Yes, I say, he's advocating for children. He's advocating for something for children that I couldn't disagree with more, but it's not a parental right. He's advocating for child's right and he's siding with the parents that also want that, yes, but he's advocating.

16:50 - Speaker 2
Let's give him the benefit of the doubt. He's advocating for a child's right, but they're kids, right, and they have parents. And I don't know about you, but when I was, you know, nine years old, I would much rather eat ding dongs and cupcakes than my broccoli right. I mean, my parents took my rights away from me when they said you're going to eat the potatoes and the green beans.

17:19
So it's not good for kids. Listen, we're going to get mail for this, and I just love it. It's not good for kids to have rights. When're going to get mail for this, and I love it. It's not good for kids to have rights when it comes to that kind of stuff.

17:29 - Speaker 6
That's ridiculous.

17:31 - Speaker 2
How about this? Kids' rights should never trump parental rights Right.

17:35 - Speaker 5
Absolutely, because it's not for their own good. For their own good, their parents should have the control and the say yeah.

17:41 - Speaker 2
Because I'm a pastor, I'll throw this in the Bible says that when you leave a child to himself, they will grow up to bring reproach to their parents. And boy, that's exactly what is being talked about, yeah, and so my opponent is Amy Hanachuk.

17:57 - Speaker 5
She's been on the board for 12 years. Our enrollment has declined every single year since she's been on the board. Enrollment has declined every single year since she's been on the board, and she also voted against parental notification back in October.

18:10 - Speaker 2
And do you remember her reason why she voted against?

18:12 - Speaker 5
it. I do not. Maybe Lisa Davis can speak to that.

18:16 - Speaker 6
Yeah, there was no comments from any of the five that voted against it.

18:20 - Speaker 2
How convenient.

18:21 - Speaker 6
Other than one under-the-radar little extra comment that Michael Parham said yeah. So it's absolutely crazy because that policy was brought forward to protect kids, because we know what's happened in these last four years, that's right.

18:38
And we know that kids have struggled and we know that all of the mandates were unnecessary Absolutely we know that kids should have never been in a mask that's right. We know that our governor said that they would be in a mask for two years and to the day students were in a mask To the day. I presented a policy months before that asking that we remove the mask mandate because the rest of California was not wearing masks and yet we were still having children wear a mask and I still believe it's a crime. I said it was a crime then and I will stay forever say that that was a crime and we harmed children and I am not okay with that Gosh, lisa, not only to I hate to say this, but to possibly add fuel to your fire.

19:33 - Speaker 2
A lot of kids either wore a custom mask that were given to them. Like, let's say, mom and dad went and bought them somewhere, ordered them online and it was a Spider-Man mask. How often did that kid wear that mask Every day that's cool Every day. How often did it get washed? In fact, how did it get?

19:52 - Speaker 6
washed, Not every day Watch.

19:53 - Speaker 2
I'm going someplace with this. And if they did wash it, how many washings can it take? Or somebody might say, oh, my kid wore the normal doctor's mask. How many times? Listen, because I used to work in biomedical engineering.

20:09
And then we've all gone to our dentist, right? For example, how often does the dentist change his mask every time he leaves you to come back? Every time he leaves you to come back, right? And so what we had to do working with blood and working with guts and stuff was we had to change our mask about every hour. And these are the masks that were being distributed all over the world, and those masks were not made to use very long, so we went through probably 12 in one day. My point is this that there are doctors out there who are now discovering and I think Dr Atlas has talked about this, dr Corey has talked about this, I think Dr Jeff Barkey possibly has talked about this the breakdown of the mask material by constantly being used is now beginning to produce issues with the children's upper respiratory functions of their lungs. In other words, tragically, the worst possibly is yet to come.

21:11 - Speaker 6
I agree.

21:12 - Speaker 2
Because these particulates now are in their lungs, Right. What long-term effects is that going to cause Now? Are we going to be able to turn to Newsom and sue him? No, he'll be at some restaurant or some yacht somewhere, you know. But yeah, quite remarkable so.

21:28 - Speaker 5
I'm Lisa.

21:28 - Speaker 6
Davis. I currently serve as a trustee on Capistrano Unified and I've been on the board for four years. So I ran four years ago because it was mayhem and I couldn't sit back and let what was happening in schools continue to happen. I'm a teacher, taught for 14 years. I have a master's in education. I was born in Montana, lived in Northern California, southern California, texas, oregon, back to Southern California, so I've been in a lot of schools and I know what it's like to be new. I know what it's like to be in different schools. I know what it's like to see a lot of different ways that instruction happens. And my path educationally continued to be unusual as well. I went to Brigham Young University. My husband and I got married.

22:16
We were high school sweethearts. We ended up getting married the following summer. Then we moved back to Southern California because we stationed at El Toro which is now Irvine Great Park.

22:27
Yes, thanks to him.

22:29
And then I was going to UC Irvine and we were married six weeks and he left for Desert Storm, so I moved home and then I went to Chafee College, which is a community college in Rancho Cucamonga, and then I went to Cal State, san Bernardino, and then I earned my master's degree from Claremont Graduate School. So I've actually been to every type of you know, extended education as well. So postgraduate, I've been to every kind, and what I can say about everywhere that I've gone to school is so much that has to do with your desire to learn and your teacher and your parents. So that is the trifecta, and that can be a trifecta of harm, that's right, and that can be a trifecta of all things great. And so I know what it's like and I taught 14 years.

23:23
I taught in Rialto and I taught in Redlands. I taught kindergarten through sixth grade, most recently sixth grade, math and science, and then I did reading intervention for K through fifth graders, and so I've been in a lot of classrooms and a lot of different types of classrooms and we have four kids and they're all incredible and they're all uniquely different.

23:44 - Speaker 2
How did you ever find the time to have four kids with all of your achievements. How did that happen?

23:49 - Speaker 6
My husband and I run a fire extinguisher business together. That's what we do.

23:52 - Speaker 2
Running around like there's a fire all the time. That's how you did it.

23:56 - Speaker 5
Putting out fires everywhere. Now we're putting out fires in schools, that's great.

24:08 - Speaker 6
So, and I love serving on the board because I believe in public education and I believe public education is for all. That being said, I also believe that it is the parent's choice as to how they educate their children, and the last few years, I'd say, more than ever, there is a backlash for families that are choosing to do something different than their neighbor wants to do, and some just quietly want to leave and homeschool. Some quietly want to leave and go to private school or charter school or do a hybrid of both, and really it is. The children are called dependents for a reason. They depend on their parents for everything. You cannot get your ears pierced without your parents' permission. You cannot get a driver's license until you're 16. You cannot get a tattoo until.

24:59
There's a long list of things that children cannot do. Why? Because they need to seek advice from their parents. And yet we now have our governor just signed into law AB 1955. That's right In which a child at the age of 12. 12. Listen, everybody. 12. 12 years old. 12 years old. They can tell their parents or they can tell their teacher. You cannot tell my parents if I'm going to change my gender, if I'm going to go by another name. If I'm going to you, know all these things which they're children, their name. If I'm going to you know all these things which they're children, and it has become it's become an unusual me too situation. Right, we see what's happened in all of those categories and it is a very different number than it was 20 years ago, 10 years ago, even five years ago. I was just looking at the statistics on some of that and it actually pushed me back because I cannot believe what's happening. And it's not our children's fault.

26:06 - Speaker 2
Yeah.

26:07 - Speaker 6
We have to oversee and, as a trustee, my job is to be the voice for parents and for students. That's right and that is what I do every day.

26:18 - Speaker 2
Wow, I would. You said that you believe that parents should have the choice. I agree. I would throw into that and I'm sure that you guys agree as well. Parents should have the choice, but parents also need to be encouraged to have the involvement.

26:36 - Speaker 1
They need to.

26:37 - Speaker 2
They need to, and maybe you know listen. Maybe this sounds from the, you know the ancient past, but when your child comes home from school, the mom, the dad, the parent should stop the world and say how was your day at school? What'd you learn? Can you show me what you get? You have any homework, that's right. Let's see what we got here. What's going on? Do you understand this? Get into there, find out what's going on and you'll learn a lot. I mean kind of that's what happened during the COVID shutdown thing. I mean, if there was a silver lining to all of that shenanigans, it was boy, did we learn a lot of stuff, and one of them, is sad to say, is that you know you got these medical experts completely destroying each other's arguments, which means there's no expert.

27:22 - Speaker 6
No validity to it at all. They're completely contradicting each other. No validity.

27:33 - Speaker 2
Yeah himself if it wasn't for his friends all of a sudden knowing how to raise your kids and how to tell you to be a parent, you know all the while his kids are privileged children compared to ours.

27:46 - Speaker 4
I'll even add to that it's not entirely school board related, but the culture of parenting. I think we need to start talking about that and need to see a shift in that Nice, I like that. Just because right now, right, if you're a working mom or a dad, you're expected to work like you don't have kids and you're expected to mother like you don't have a job. That is a real thing. So I think when we are going to talk about, you know, parental involvement.

28:15
We need to also start shifting that, because when we decided and I'm in this right now we decided, you know, 8.30 school start time and three o'clock or 2.30 pickup time, but the work hours are nine to six. I'm sorry, like how, and then we're supposed to do sports activities, this activity and that, and be involved and then also work. So that's a larger conversation. It's true, it's burnout galore.

28:41
And so you know. But with that we have to acknowledge the reality that not all parents can be fully involved, but at the same time, that burden of responsibility then falls on our trustees, on our teachers, on our, you know, on the parents that are involved as far as the decisions that are being made. So if these are busy working parents in public schools, then what's the leadership doing? What are the teachers doing? They should still be involving. So to take the kids away completely while you're busy working and not tell moms and dads that, hey, your child is suffering mentally or physically or emotionally or academically. I mean, that's wrong.

29:22 - Speaker 2
You're wise beyond your years. I'm going to tell you why, right now, forever growing up in this nation and going back to our founding fathers, who created the public school system. I don't know if people realize that or not Our founding fathers created the public school system. I don't know if people realize that or not. Our founding fathers created the public school system and they had. They had a syllabus, they had an outline, they had standards and you can go, look at them, you can see them, I saw them, I, I, I looked at this.

29:54
Up until recent times, the parent could take their kid to the bus stop or drop them off at school, believing oh no, I got to go to work and I got to focus on getting bread and food for the table at my job. But it's a good thing. The school has my child's best interest in mind and that's how we grew up. And now, because you raise a great issue, parents need to be instructed themselves, educated themselves, about this new world we live in, about. How can you with your schedule, how can you? That's maybe a side note, or maybe it's a little bit of a help. You, you might be aware of this where, way back in the early 80s, my wife Lisa, she homeschooled our kids and back in those days in California you didn't tell anybody you were homeschooling, it was like undercover. You know, we kept the kids indoors until the kids got out for real.

30:59 - Speaker 5
Thanks for paving the way for the rest of us. Yeah, Back in those days, you know there was something called truant officers.

31:06 - Speaker 4
There were truant officers where.

31:08 - Speaker 2
what's that kid doing out, you know? But that said, the homes, the early days of homeschooling in California, they wound up building a huge series of networks to support the drama, the challenge that you just articulated, because we can't, we're not superheroes, we're parents and we also are engineers, and so it was a wonderful thing where people came alongside and helped you do that. Maybe that's something that the public system, at least in Capo, can get back to. But parents need help.

31:43 - Speaker 5
It's overwhelming, yeah, and I would say too, just being in education for so long, there is this sort of attitude that and it kind of goes along with how we were with our medical world before 2020 that well, you're the professionals, you know what you're doing. I don't know. I couldn't teach my kid to read. Well, you probably could teach them to read, if you really tried, you know.

32:07
But there is this like the teachers are the professionals, we know what you're doing, you're, you're just the parent. You don't know as much you know there is. There is that thing, and it could partly be because parents have out of necessity I need you to know what you're doing, and here's my kid and please do it Right and you are the professional.

32:28 - Speaker 2
Well, we're paying you to do that, quite frankly.

32:30 - Speaker 5
But right now same with the similar way that I don't know about you, but I question everything medically now.

32:39 - Speaker 2
You have to to stay alive.

32:40 - Speaker 5
I don't trust any of it right. And so I want to wake parents up to say don't just assume that your teacher, your school, your district has your child's best interest in mind, because what we've seen is this very quiet trickling in of ideas that a lot of parents have no idea their children are being exposed to.

33:03
So wait to your point. Yes, ask questions. Tell me what you read today, tell me about the book you know. Lisa Davis says this a lot. Get into the classroom If the teachers in the school are saying, oh no, we don't want you. No, you have rights. That's the other thing. Parents have all the legal rights to know what's going on. They just have to fight for them, they just have to exercise them.

33:25 - Speaker 2
You know, wow, that is so good. It's amazing to me that you know, we're a culture, we are a republic as a government, and it's supposed to be. We, the people. We, the people, are the ones that are to tell the elected how we want to be governed Right? It's the only place in the world that this has ever happened. It's the great American experiment. Um, but I want to ask you this in light of that where, where did this come from to the, to the best of your detective work? Where did it come from? To where we would graduate students now with their degrees to go educate? But the indoctrination had to start somewhere, and this is what I'm pointing at, and this is what I'm pointing at, instead of making our kids the best readers on the planet, best mathematicians on the planet, best, whatever, who showed up and said one day we need to talk about, you know, sexuality and reproductive liberties and freedoms, and we need to talk about where did this? How do you, how do you explain the creeping in, the trickling in of that?

34:45 - Speaker 6
Well, I think part of it has to do with some of the unions and I teachers, unions and unions have a place and the unions are to represent and they're to negotiate labor and I feel like there's kind of a period after that they will help. They will help in situations. If there's a problem with teachers, then the union is supposed to support that. But the unions have got out of their lane Across our nation. They have gotten out of their lane and they are now funding all of our opponents. That's right To the tune of $234,000 at first reporting June 30th. There is a PAC, a political action committee, that is funding our four candidates, our four opponents, and it is the HO pack and I looked back and it's the same pack that funded my opponent in 2020 with taxpayer dollars, with teachers dues that comes out of their paycheck so you?

35:50
so, in a sense, then right, you paid into your dues as a teacher and that dues turned around to attack you well, you weren't Not while I was, but in essence I understand what you're saying. Yes, that's correct.

36:03 - Speaker 2
If teachers pay dues into the union and then the union could turn around and support a candidate that's against you, right?

36:11 - Speaker 6
And I believe in California, and I could be wrong on this statistic, but I think it's about 95% of the candidates that the union support in California. Well, no, imagine that. Yeah, imagine that it goes much further across our whole entire country, and all you have to do is go back and look at the July 3rd 2020 NEA. They had a conference July 3rd of 2020 happened to have been a Saturday, where the rest of us were celebrating our nation's birthday.

36:42 - Speaker 1
Barbecuing thanking God for.

36:44 - Speaker 2
America.

36:44 - Speaker 6
Barbecuing at the beach, we're having corn, we're having egg. Nation's birthday Barbecuing, thanking God for America Barbecuing at the beach, we're having corn, we're having egg tosses Life, we're enjoying life and in my opinion, they were meeting behind closed doors right on a Saturday. Do you make these kinds of decisions? Just go back and look. I don't even want to open that can of worms, but everyone should go back and look and find out what happened on that day and what they're supporting and what their agenda is. So if you follow the money, you see what's happening. You just follow the money and you see what agenda is there and that there is an agenda that is coming from the teacher's union and it's coming all the way across. There was someone that came to one of our board meetings recently. Sometimes people say that I'm banning books, that I've been a book banner.

37:32 - Speaker 2
Yeah, we're very involved in the book thing.

37:35 - Speaker 6
So and I went back and kind of did a tiny dive, but it looks like we probably approved about 50. But I, since I've been on the board in the last four years, I think I probably approved 50 books. So since I've been on the board in the last four years, I think I probably approved 50 books and there were about five books that I did not. Here's why I did not vote for them. I did not vote for them because they were not age appropriate. I didn't say you should burn that book.

37:58 - Speaker 3
I didn't say no one should read that.

37:59 - Speaker 6
I said that should go into an adult library and I don't care what anyone does, but I am over children, children, and I will take that till the end of time and I will fight for children and allow them to be children and not put garbage in front of them.

38:19 - Speaker 2
So we just completed. When I say we, I was part of a team. Our last engagement was last Saturday and we, for nine weeks, I believe it, was traveled up and down the state of California to key districts where the Democrat candidates were vulnerable. Plus, you have to have a plus, there's a good, strong, conservative candidate running, so they have a high probability of winning. So we took our team, and our team was comprised of a cultural impact director, faith and public policy, gina Gleason. We had a constitutional attorney, robert Tyler. We took with us a few times our school board president here, sonia Shah.

39:06
But we took with us a woman by the name of Karen England and Karen England is the president of the Capital Resource Institute and they're based in Sacramento to show what school boards have been approving and what national school boards each state have been approving for curriculum regarding this thing. And listen, this is amazing. There's books that she had, and I don't remember the age group, but I'll get close. Let's say it was sixth grade, and I don't remember the age group, but I'll get close. Let's say it was sixth grade. She had sixth grade curriculum for what's it called? Human sexuality, or I don't know what they even call it anymore.

39:55
Just sex ed, because I would have called it really cool tips on how to be pornographic with your girlfriend or your boyfriend. On how to be pornographic with your girlfriend or your boyfriend. There were things in the book for kids to learn that as perverse as I was growing up as a kid without Jesus until I was 19,. I wish I would have thought of that. I wish I would have thought of that in my perversion. They're teaching it to the kids and she's reading stuff and the people are coming to these rallies that we just hosted and you're seeing grown adults turn red and get all uncomfortable about what a sixth grader is learning. Right, I couldn't believe it. Capital Resource Institute I forget Anybody. Remember what her table kitchen table kitchen table activistcom ororg. She's traveling now all over America exposing Lisa, what you just talked about and people can't handle it. Adults say no way. Oh, yeah Way. So we've been labeled book burners and listen. Whenever the bad guys label you, you know you hit the target oh book burners really Listen someday.

41:11
I got to do this on Facebook or something. Let's show a million people on Facebook, right, this is what book burners do. And it shows, you know two boys.

41:21 - Speaker 4
That's when we're fighting a battle of an ideology. And I mean, you know, I've talked to Democrats, I've talked to people of different faith and people that believe in God different faith, some don't and they all are saying that this is wrong, something feels wrong, this is not right, we shouldn't be doing this for our kids. And that's when you can tell that it there's, this is a spiritual battle, that this is a battle like that's 100 and you're fighting in a. You're fighting an entire like chain of thought, right? I wish our biggest problems right now were what kind of paint to paint our school wouldn't that be great what?

41:59
kind of desk to have in our class versus, wouldn't that be? Great yeah, like let's not teach sexuality at this age or change your gender. Um, that see, that goes back to what I was saying earlier.

42:11 - Speaker 2
Where did this stuff come from, because it doesn't have anything to do with the, with the betterment of the child. It's not equipping them to prepare or to go up against, say, a, a student that might come from an asian country or a European country. Listen, I've spent a lot of time in Europe and it's embarrassing to see what a seventh grade math class does in Europe versus a seventh grade math class here. It's tragic. But listen, I'm going to make this argument from, so to speak, the devil's advocate side. You are correct regarding people of faith. It is a spiritual battle. Now, look, it is a hundred percent, but I'm playing, I've got the devil's hat on right now.

42:54
If I was a highly evolved atheist, I would be furious of what they're teaching my kid.

43:05 - Speaker 4
Because this has nothing to do with education, absolutely Because this has nothing to do, yes, with education, exactly.

43:08 - Speaker 2
This has nothing to do. Look, we want our kids to get through school so that they can go to work for Elon Musk or become president or go to the moon or Mars. This is awesome. Instead we've got to. We have a program here at church where we actually we call it cultural detox. The kids in the region who may not be homeschooled or private schooled or Christian schooled, they get to come and go experience detox. Here we have a former principal of a local high school teaching this. He's got his doctorate in education. He's got his team, his staff, to detox what's going on. That's what we have to do, but how do we? Let's get down to the nuts and bolts. With the time remaining, what do the viewers need to hear from you guys so that they can go vote for you, so that they can support you, so that they can get behind you? Let's just go right down the line, lisa. How do they find out about you?

44:15 - Speaker 3
Well, I'm going to say everyone I talk to. I feel like even people that even lean left when I start bringing up some of these issues they're on board with me. I think the biggest problem I have for my area and I'm going to speak for Ladera Ranch, it's Rancho Mission, viejo, cota de Caza Wagon Wheel is the Republicans aren't voting in large numbers Like it is shockingly low.

44:36 - Speaker 2
Why? Why are they not?

44:39 - Speaker 3
Because they feel like I mean, this is my guess and this is based on conversations I've had with people, but I don't know if this represents everyone.

44:45
But they feel like, you know, we have no say in California, it really doesn't matter, and it just shows to me they don't have a true understanding of local politics and how absolutely critical this is and that this will make a change in their day-to-day life. They will see the change. So what I would say to them I have a lot of people that are like this is so great, I support you. And so what I would say to them. I have a lot of people that are like this is so great, I support you. And then I find out no, they don't, I actually have an app that will show me.

45:09
actually, you're not registered to vote, that's true.

45:11 - Speaker 2
That's right, hey everybody, there is an app that lets us know. We know, we do know.

45:18 - Speaker 3
So that would be. That's what I would like to say. Register to vote. We've got to come out in numbers. There is no reason why we should have extreme agendas in our schools when we have a conservative base. My area is Republican plus 16 or 17. I've heard the two numbers. Either way, there is no reason why. I shouldn't have this in the bag, other than people are not voting, so get registered Before you go any further on how they can follow you, and all that.

45:49 - Speaker 2
Listen to what she just said. Everybody listen up. How did California or New York or anywhere else, how did your town, your city, go crazy? How did these bad things happen? You want to know how it happens.

46:01
Sir Edmund Burke said it regarding the American Revolution in Parliament in London when he said all that evil needs to do to triumph is for good men to do nothing. So for those of you who have faith in your life, you must vote, because you cannot take your opportunity to make a difference and bury it in the ground. Jesus warned against that. He said I gave some, I gave some talent, some five, some 10, some 30. I'm going to go away. You go and invest that. When I come back let's see what you did with it.

46:33
If you say I'm not going to get involved because it doesn't matter anyway, it has nothing to do with your mass involvement. It has to do with your personal involvement to live out, as a human being, a responsible life. Go vote. And the other thing is this you have to register to vote. Okay, it takes a second to do that, and then listen. There's so many ways for you to get, for example, real impact Tim, where are you? Real impact voter guide, what realimpactus voter guide? And we'll help you out.

47:12
But listen, here's how you. Because one of you are going to say well, my friends think it's all a big cheat, they're just going to cheat. Guess what? Learn something from human history? That's right. You know you want to stop the cheat. It's not very hard. You can stop the cheat by overwhelming the vote. If you show up, cheating doesn't work because cheating gets found out. The more people who vote, the more they got to cheat. And then there's a scale that tips and they get found out. In fact, not too long ago, orange County, california, the Democrat turnout to vote was 122%. How did that happen? Friends, listen, register, show up and vote.

47:53 - Speaker 1
Vote for Lisa and vote early. Thank you, vote early.

47:56 - Speaker 2
Ballots are going to be dropping. October 6th, the 6th.

48:01 - Speaker 3
That's. Another thing is people don't realize this is on the general election. So people I've also had people ask me am I going to get an email from the school district to vote? No, this is on the general election Go to your mailbox. Yes, and they also. I think they feel fatigue because there's so many people that they're frustrated with that are on the ballot. And another message I have for those people and this isn't what I do, because I like to vote for everything I feel like it's my right and privilege.

48:25
But listen, if you don't want to vote for everybody, you can actually take your ballot. I'm not suggesting you do this, but go all the way to the bottom, where I am, and vote for me and turn it in. You don't have to vote for every judge. I think the judges are incredibly important, but people again are like, oh, they feel bad and so they just don't do it. That's what I think some of the people are doing.

48:44
They feel guilty that they don't, that they're not knowledgeable on all the different people on the ballot, and you know what? To that I say I'm so sorry, let's get the guilt and shame out and let's vote for our local.

48:55 - Speaker 2
Yeah, let's fix crazy. So where do people connect with you?

48:58 - Speaker 3
So they can connect with me online. I'm on Instagram and Facebook Zollinger4CUSD. That's my website.

49:05 - Speaker 2
Can you spell that last name?

49:06 - Speaker 3
Yes, yes, it's Z as in zebra, o-l-l-i-n-g-e-r, zollinger4cusd, and it's the word F-O-R-4.

49:16 - Speaker 2
Excellent.

49:17 - Speaker 3
C-U-S-D. Excellent yes.

49:19 - Speaker 4
Yes, so you can find me by typing in soniaterwhiskeycom. So that is-. Wait, wait, what's that last name? Oy yi yi.

49:27 - Speaker 5
I know we need to help everybody with our last names.

49:29 - Speaker 4
Yes, I think you have the easiest name of all. You have the easy last name. We skipped Ellis Island. So wait, wait, so say it again so tourwhiskey, so S-O-N-I-A-T as in Tom E-R-W-I-S-K-Ecom, Do not give up on me guys.

49:46 - Speaker 2
Sonia Terwiskicom. Wait, is there any other Sonias running for office?

49:50 - Speaker 3
No, no, are you the only one I think so?

49:53 - Speaker 4
Vote for Sonia and Elisa Viejo and I got a portion of Laguna Niguel and I'm also on Instagram, so it's Sonia Terwiski, ca, so find me there, my email, it's team at soniaterwiskicom, so getting my last name down is very important. You can just even Google CUSD candidates, I can pop right up. So that is what I'll say. And, yeah, for my area, my district, I'm going to say that this is not a partisan issue. It really is parents' rights and academics. Families in Aliso Viejo really do care about academics and when my trustee my current trustee she voted to lower down academic standards To lower academic standards.

50:37
Yes, and so parents do care about that right. So we have to pay attention. It's about parents, it's academics, that's why we send our kids to school. So I want to tell this to everybody Doesn't matter your political status, we all send our kids to school for the same reason the same outcome, so we got to get up and move and vote, so vote and please register to vote. Ocvotegov Okay, go on OCvotegov yeah.

51:05 - Speaker 2
Really good.

51:06 - Speaker 5
Yeah, so I can be found at adnams. Oh, right, spell that I know. So the N is not a mistake, it's not a typo. It's A-D-N-A-M-S. So I teach my kindergartners adnams it's Adams with an N in the middle of it. I know Wow.

51:27 - Speaker 2
These are so unique except for you Lisa? Yeah, these are so unique, so where yeah?

51:33 - Speaker 5
So addnams4cusdcom. Addnams4cusd on Instagram. On Facebook I'm running an area one and so I have this similar issue that Lisa Zollinger has. A lot of people in Dana Point it's a little bit of an older generation, not as many families as these gals more my age, my kids are older. They're kind of like nothing's going to change. I've given up. They steal the vote anyway.

52:06
My vote doesn't matter, and so it's waking people up to even what Lisa said. Okay, if you're only going to vote for me, vote for me, because our schools, whether your kids are grown or not, they affect the community. It's your grandchildren, it's your property values. It matters and our schools are worth fighting for. That's right. So I would say that's the big thing. And I'm the same way. My area is Republican plus 11, right, yeah. So if I can get all the conservatives to be registered and voting, I win. I win.

52:41 - Speaker 2
Wow, there's such a warning in the Bible that we have the tendency to settle back on our laurels, settle back on our ease, and that's a dangerous thing, because all of you represent really some of the most beautiful regions of California, we all agree, and it's just wonderful. But with all of that the sun, the sea, the prosperity can bring apathy. And then when you get older, as my daughters grew up, lisa and I both felt like wow, we've been fighting for decades. Now you know it's their fight. And then we had grandkids and it's like wait a minute here. So now we're back in it. We're bored, now more than ever.

53:28
But I want to challenge the SoCal grandparents and you don't have to be grandparents to go vote hello, but it helps Get on out there, fight for these women. By the way, I don't want to embarrass any of them, but I don't know from what camera angle you could see them, any of them. But I don't know from what camera angle you could see them, but during the course of this interview, each of them, I could see manifesting emotion in their eyes over the passion of rescuing our kids. Rescuing the kids, getting their kids rooted and grounded and protected. That should matter to you. I'm asking you to trust me on that. I watched it here on the set right here. So, and then we're going to, by the way, in our, and we'll make sure that all of your websites and stuff are posted and people can see this in the lower third.

54:17
Can I add one other thing to that?

54:18 - Speaker 5
So another thing that we all sort of deal with is a lot of our families, because they've been disgusted with what's happening the lowering of academics, the removal of accelerated math, the political agendas in the classroom they've left, and they're private schooling, they're homeschooling, and so a lot of those are like, oh, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. I've already pulled my kids out and I am here to tell you, as a public school teacher, as a private school attendee, as a homeschool mom, it does matter, and they won't stop coming, they'll come after you, yes, yes, they're not going to just stop with the public school, this agenda is coming after you.

55:02
That's right. So you have to help us stand up and fight it. Now I say they're coming after private schools, they're coming after the homeschooling, and guess what? We joke about Tennessee. They won't stop with California. They're going to come and you're already seeing it with Idaho, texas, and I've heard it's even happening in schools in Tennessee. So everyone who's like selling in California and going to just beware, they're going to keep coming because evil doesn't stop until it's stopped.

55:28 - Speaker 2
You've got to stop evil. Yes, it won't stop until you stop it. Exactly the Bible says resist the devil, then he'll flee from you.

55:35 - Speaker 5
But um, I would also just say cause. You have an amazing audience. If you live outside of Capital Unified or you live outside of California, you can still help us. You can spread the word, you can donate to each of our campaigns, because the biggest thing that we are up against is financially. The unions the local unions, probably the state union and the national union will fight to the death to make sure that these seats, that they still own them. So we need help. We are a grassroots effort. We call donors, we call individuals. We don't have a union or somebody that's got this pool of money that they can just deposit into our accounts. So if you're moved at all by this and you don't want it to come to your state, help us now and support our campaign. It's amazing.

56:25 - Speaker 2
You women are awesome warriors for truth Knowing. Listen. Would you guys do that? Would you step out into a battlefield with not all of the weaponry that you could have? But you got something. They did. They are Versus the other team. They not only have everything, but in this twisted system, we're actually, in a way, funding the attack against ourselves. And so how do we combat this? We speak up. The Bible warns us in Jeremiah 29, verse 7, that wherever we live, we should seek the welfare and the benefit of that community so that all might live in peace. That's from the Bible. The Bible also tells us that when the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice, but when the wicked rule, the people groan. And so we need South County to stop groaning, because these four women need to be elected and in your case, lisa, it's reelection.

57:24 - Speaker 6
Reelection. So there's a couple things. Number one we need to align the values of our communities with the values of our board, and that is really powerful. People need to know that they have a voice and that our voices will represent them in every situation. I have represented everyone. I respond to all emails, except those that just are simply bashing me. I choose not to respond.

57:51 - Speaker 2
The Bible says don't answer a fool.

57:53 - Speaker 6
I'm not answering a fool and when I got on the board I spoke at a couple of events and so I met Sonia Shah and Sonia and I met and talked a couple of times and it was with that encouragement that she jumped in and she has been a warrior. She has been a warrior and she is battling and trying to help, the same as the rest of us that are on these boards. We are in this fight because we care about children and our families and we know Satan's biggest tool right now is the family. He is trying to destroy the family every way. Why? Because it's everything good. Number one go home and love your wife, love your husband, love your children. Those are the most important things. You get your house in order, then you can help other people.

58:47
And sometimes it's messy at home and sometimes there's things that you have to navigate right. That's life. That's life. That's life. But you keep going, you keep showing up, you keep getting out there and making a difference, because we're on this earth to love and serve one another.

59:03
That's why we're here. That's right. That's why we're here. We answer. Our prayers are answered through someone else and we answer others' prayers by showing up. That's good, and when we have a response, we have a little feeling that we need to do something and we know God's telling us and it doesn't matter whether it's God that's telling you or it's your own voice. Someone says, oh well, I don't know if that's got it, who cares? If it's something good, you do it, go do it. So I can be found at Lisa Davis CUSD Instagram and Facebook Like, share, comment and help spread the word, and you all know people in South County. Reach out to them. We can give you a flyer that shows all of our websites with all of the information. You can post that and share. We know that. It's about three times the cost of what my campaign was four years ago. Three times.

59:55 - Speaker 2
Three times.

59:56 - Speaker 6
We know that bread, we know that gas, we know that everything is about three times and that is disgusting. But, it is what it is and it's worth a fight, and you amortize it over four years. You can cover a little bit of last four years and then the next four years, and it's not much. But if you're thinking about donating $10, think about donating 20. If you're thinking about donating 50, donate a hundred. But if you're thinking about donating a dollar, we'll use it for good.

01:00:20 - Speaker 2
Yeah, amen, absolutely right. Listen, everybody, this is um, this is great for this to come to you, no matter where you're at, because this is happening. I know you don't think so because maybe you did, Maybe you are one of those annual one million people who flee California. And I get, I understand that. I mean, I sort of anyway, sort of anyway. And now you've got your chair set up and you've got a nice view and it's quiet and you think you've escaped the storm. Listen, it's coming, it's coming.

01:00:53
I just watched this morning about a hurricane, how it went from the Gulf of Mexico and it's all the way up and wreaking great havoc up into the Carolinas. Well, what started the origin of that hurricane? Do you know where it came from? It's shocking. The hurricane first formed over Africa. It formed over Africa and it went across the Atlantic. Nobody cared, nobody's paying attention, until it hit them and it started so far away. Listen, this stuff, you know that's California. I'm far from that. No, you're not. Listen, stuff travels at breakneck speed.

01:01:34
Mark Twain said a lie goes around the world twice before the truth gets its shoes on. That's right, okay. So, listen, we've got to team up together. If you care? If you care. If you don't care, you need to repent and start caring, okay, and help these warriors out. So we're going to be posting this everywhere. We're going to make sure that you have the information to link up with them.

01:01:57
But we're running out of time and so we need to act quickly Register to vote now and vote early. And, by all means, listen. If you're a person of faith, pray, vote and pray, okay, but by all means, it is, in my opinion, a sin to sit out. An opportunity given to you by God in a constitutional republic to do nothing is completely unacceptable. So with that, I want to thank all of you. In fact, I want to pray, father, god, we pray for overwhelming success, lord.

01:02:36
If I would I think in this prayer we were hanging out with King David right before some battle he would probably pray something to the effect Lord, cause our enemies to not sleep this night. He would pray something like when they wake up in the morning, may they be confused. He even prayed cause their teeth to be broken in their mouth. That's pretty radical prayer. But, lord, we just pray that those who mean harm for our children and are the ones that, jesus, you said. Woe unto that person who harms the least of these little ones, for they would have been better to have never been born than for them, in the day of judgment, to face me.

01:03:20
God, we pray that you would bring righteousness and God, that Capo, unified, would experience an overwhelming turn. And, lord, I pray that you'd wake up these good people who have surrendered, put a fighting spirit in them to get up out of their houses and to go vote and support these four women and candidates like them, and support these four women and candidates like them. So, father, I just give them to you and, lord, we pray that in America there would be a great recovery at such a dark hour. We pray in Jesus' name, amen, amen, thank you.

01:03:58 - Speaker 5
Thank you.

01:03:58 - Speaker 2
All of you.

01:04:00 - Speaker 1
We really appreciate it.

01:04:01 - Speaker 6
We're honored. Hey, I'm honored to serve on Capistrano Unified. I'm honored because our children are worth it, our communities are worth it. It's a good district filled with a lot of great teachers and incredible families and great kids. Amen, so honored to be there.

01:04:15 - Speaker 2
Well said, and we thank you for that.

01:04:18 - Speaker 5
Thank you, thank you.

01:04:23 - Speaker 1
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