Money, Money, Money

Money is a big deal! How should we handle it, think about it, and is money evil? Find out what Jesus and the Bible say to us about money and learn how to apply that to your life in practical ways.
(00:00) Money as an Altar of Worship
(05:01) Work, Dignity, and God’s Design
(08:07) Obedience in Finances Brings Blessing
(12:05) The Love of Money and Its Dangers
(18:56) Saving Early and Being Faithful in Little
(21:32) Borrowing, Debt, and Using Credit Wisely
(32:49) True Blessings Are Greater Than Money
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00:00 - Money as an Altar of Worship
05:01:00 - Work, Dignity, and God’s Design
08:07:00 - Obedience in Finances Brings Blessing
12:05:00 - The Love of Money and Its Dangers
18:56:00 - Saving Early and Being Faithful in Little
21:32:00 - Borrowing, Debt, and Using Credit Wisely
32:49:00 - True Blessings Are Greater Than Money
1 00:00:00.230 --> 00:00:08.610 Real Life presents the Jack Hibbs Podcast, with intention and boldness to proclaim truth, equip the saints, and impact our 2 00:00:08.610 --> 00:00:09.010 culture. 3 00:00:09.210 --> 00:00:15.710 If you are obedient in the area of finances, there is a high probability that you are going to be 4 00:00:15.710 --> 00:00:22.350 very wise regarding finances and money, and the use of money, and it will better your life, it will better 5 00:00:22.350 --> 00:00:26.790 the life of your family, and it will better the life of the people you know, and it will better 6 00:00:26.790 --> 00:00:28.490 the life of your church that you attend. 7 00:00:28.890 --> 00:00:35.630 And it's a good feeling, because it's God-centered, it's Christ-glorifying, and it's the ministry toward others. 8 00:00:36.230 --> 00:00:38.290 Stop thinking that money is evil. 9 00:00:41.320 --> 00:00:47.480 You can get the outlines of this podcast by going to Jackhibbs.com slash podcast. 10 00:00:48.240 --> 00:00:54.560 Today, if this podcast lifts you up and encourages you to live a more fulfilled life in Christ, then make 11 00:00:54.560 --> 00:00:56.920 sure you leave us one of those five-star ratings. 12 00:00:57.280 --> 00:01:00.580 To us, that's like saying amen or yes. 13 00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:03.319 Then that rating will encourage others to listen. 14 00:01:03.760 --> 00:01:07.100 Now open your hearts to what God's Word has to say to you. 15 00:01:07.580 --> 00:01:08.960 Here is Jack Hibbs. 16 00:01:09.940 --> 00:01:11.840 Hey guys, we're talking about money. 17 00:01:12.220 --> 00:01:12.460 Money. 18 00:01:12.760 --> 00:01:18.660 In my old mind, I can hear money, money, money, money, that song that makes a lot of us older 19 00:01:18.660 --> 00:01:22.740 kind of sick to our stomach, because it was played constantly until it made you sick. 20 00:01:22.740 --> 00:01:27.700 But money is a big deal, everybody, a very big deal. 21 00:01:28.220 --> 00:01:29.240 Here's the reason why. 22 00:01:32.180 --> 00:01:41.020 Jesus introduces us most recently and graphically to the fact that money is a altar of worship. 23 00:01:42.360 --> 00:01:45.460 Money is an altar of worship. 24 00:01:47.500 --> 00:01:57.980 All that is something that is determined as all worship is by the one who chooses to worship what the 25 00:01:57.980 --> 00:01:58.700 object is. 26 00:01:58.940 --> 00:02:03.100 It's the worshiper that makes the object an object of worship. 27 00:02:03.900 --> 00:02:09.860 Jesus said you can either worship God or Mammon. 28 00:02:10.500 --> 00:02:16.040 Now Mammon was the ancient Greek God of wealth and prosperity. 29 00:02:17.240 --> 00:02:30.920 A Mammon goes back with various names, various titles through every culture, but in our biblical worldview sense, for us, 30 00:02:31.420 --> 00:02:41.180 all the way to ancient Babylon and the 360 Gods that made up the Babylonian worship system thousands and thousands 31 00:02:41.180 --> 00:02:42.000 of years ago. 32 00:02:42.400 --> 00:02:47.420 Mammon, again, manifesting itself in various ways. 33 00:02:48.540 --> 00:02:53.960 I think it's good to say at this moment that when Jesus says you can either serve God or fill 34 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:56.660 in the blank, of course, this case, Mammon being money. 35 00:02:57.320 --> 00:03:12.100 Remember, behind the money, behind the, excuse me, behind the pursuit of health or bodybuilding or looks or hobbies or 36 00:03:12.100 --> 00:03:19.280 sports, or it doesn't matter what it is, doesn't matter, even doesn't matter how great it is, our fallen nature 37 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:26.640 being spiritual creatures, we can take a really good thing and idolize it and thus making it an altar of 38 00:03:26.640 --> 00:03:26.920 worship. 39 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:28.360 Hopefully that makes sense. 40 00:03:28.900 --> 00:03:34.680 For example, you can take, you can take shopping. 41 00:03:35.040 --> 00:03:35.800 You have to shop. 42 00:03:35.880 --> 00:03:36.940 Everybody has to shop. 43 00:03:37.760 --> 00:03:42.440 So you might chuckle right now because you're thinking, oh my goodness, Pastor Jack, I didn't think you'd be into 44 00:03:42.440 --> 00:03:42.820 shopping. 45 00:03:43.200 --> 00:03:44.720 I'm totally into shopping. 46 00:03:45.520 --> 00:03:54.420 Almost once a week, Lisa will send me to the Trader Joe's or, or whatever Albertson's or whatever to shop 47 00:03:54.420 --> 00:03:55.760 to buy food. 48 00:03:57.180 --> 00:03:59.200 And I've got my list and I go do that. 49 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:00.000 Of course I shop. 50 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:00.640 So do you. 51 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:06.500 But see, you might've giggled a little bit a moment ago because you thought I was going to say Nordstrom's 52 00:04:06.500 --> 00:04:10.520 or, you know, fill in the blank, Macy's. 53 00:04:10.640 --> 00:04:18.600 I don't know what your world is, but we can make shopping an idol. 54 00:04:19.360 --> 00:04:23.680 Cause you know, when we're depressed and our feelings are hurt, or we just feel like we're not having a 55 00:04:23.680 --> 00:04:25.240 good day, I'm going to go shopping. 56 00:04:26.080 --> 00:04:26.920 Interesting, right? 57 00:04:27.140 --> 00:04:33.180 That is the exact same thing as leaning on something else and instead of leaning on God. 58 00:04:33.820 --> 00:04:39.000 Now, what I'm saying to you might be very abstract to some of your thinking, but there are some people 59 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:51.400 who find their meaning in escaping by, by masking themselves through the inability to cope through a really rough day. 60 00:04:51.500 --> 00:04:54.600 They can't handle it unless they have a drink. 61 00:04:55.000 --> 00:04:56.320 It's been a rough day, man. 62 00:04:56.380 --> 00:04:57.060 I need it. 63 00:04:57.100 --> 00:04:57.920 I need a drink. 64 00:04:59.040 --> 00:04:59.860 That's an idol. 65 00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:07.020 It would be, look, it'd be the same for me if I say, man, I've had a really rough day. 66 00:05:07.580 --> 00:05:13.540 I, I'm going to go paddle boarding or surfing or writing or walking or whatever. 67 00:05:14.400 --> 00:05:15.800 It's not the thing. 68 00:05:16.760 --> 00:05:18.900 It's what I make the thing into be. 69 00:05:21.090 --> 00:05:23.250 And money is at the top of the list. 70 00:05:24.290 --> 00:05:25.670 Money's at the top of the list. 71 00:05:25.770 --> 00:05:27.990 And first of all, let's start here regarding money. 72 00:05:28.550 --> 00:05:36.410 Um, the book of Ecclesiastes chapter three, verses 12 to 13 says this, I know that nothing is better for 73 00:05:36.410 --> 00:05:40.190 them than to rejoice and to do good in their lives. 74 00:05:40.470 --> 00:05:48.430 And also that every man should eat and drink and enjoy the good of all his labor. 75 00:05:49.090 --> 00:05:51.690 It is the gift of God. 76 00:05:51.750 --> 00:05:52.790 What does that mean? 77 00:05:52.890 --> 00:06:00.570 That is one of those verses that uh, speaks about, um, free trade capitalism. 78 00:06:01.410 --> 00:06:08.290 Man works with his own hands, takes what he has crafted and sells it. 79 00:06:08.390 --> 00:06:11.170 And he makes his own life better. 80 00:06:11.250 --> 00:06:14.230 And he makes the lives of those who are his family. 81 00:06:14.390 --> 00:06:17.330 And even those who are of his community better. 82 00:06:17.690 --> 00:06:18.390 Why? 83 00:06:18.390 --> 00:06:21.010 Because he rightly used his skills. 84 00:06:21.190 --> 00:06:29.690 Listen, everyone, he rightly used his skills of which I am moving my fingers, uh, announcing that this is the 85 00:06:29.690 --> 00:06:33.830 symbol for skills and I've used my hands. 86 00:06:35.050 --> 00:06:38.170 I've used them to create something. 87 00:06:38.530 --> 00:06:45.550 This doesn't matter if I created music, if I created a brick or if I created a, you got my 88 00:06:45.550 --> 00:06:45.930 point. 89 00:06:46.450 --> 00:06:51.670 I use the skill sets that God has given me, whatever they are for you. 90 00:06:52.090 --> 00:06:53.690 And you didn't sit idle. 91 00:06:54.010 --> 00:06:54.710 You use them. 92 00:06:54.810 --> 00:06:59.850 And the Bible says by all means, use them because you will be a blessing both to others around you, 93 00:07:00.250 --> 00:07:07.730 but to yourself, there's a sense of self-worth, listen, self-worth and meaning by the use of your hands. 94 00:07:08.910 --> 00:07:16.470 And so many young people today and shame on us as parents are letting our kids sit on their hands 95 00:07:16.470 --> 00:07:26.510 instead of pulling their hands out and using them in effort, in work, in sweat, digging holes. 96 00:07:26.710 --> 00:07:37.730 I'm not joking, digging holes, planting things, uh, laying foundations, uh, digging, use the hands, build something. 97 00:07:38.510 --> 00:07:43.850 Look in your own home for many of you who are homeschoolers or, or you've got kids in public school, 98 00:07:44.190 --> 00:07:53.610 have your kids build a bird house with hammer, wood and nails and glue, design it and then build it. 99 00:07:53.650 --> 00:07:54.650 I'm just, I'm not joking. 100 00:07:56.330 --> 00:07:56.730 Why? 101 00:07:56.730 --> 00:08:03.050 A sense of accomplishment, get up on the ladder, put it on, put it up in the tree, nail it 102 00:08:03.050 --> 00:08:03.530 up there. 103 00:08:04.730 --> 00:08:09.870 And your kids will forever in your backyard, look up and remember, Hey, we made that bird house. 104 00:08:10.930 --> 00:08:17.050 And then there's an overwhelming sense of satisfaction when you actually see a bird or a squirrel come in and 105 00:08:17.050 --> 00:08:17.950 out of that bird house. 106 00:08:18.050 --> 00:08:18.870 What has happened? 107 00:08:18.870 --> 00:08:26.150 You meaningful used your hands in a meaningful way and you have self-worth because you have ascribed yourself to 108 00:08:26.150 --> 00:08:27.390 do something. 109 00:08:28.090 --> 00:08:30.090 And I'm in, God does the same thing with money. 110 00:08:30.390 --> 00:08:33.590 God wants us to use our money. 111 00:08:34.169 --> 00:08:39.510 Uh, God, listen, there is no virtue in poverty, but let me be careful to say this. 112 00:08:40.390 --> 00:08:46.710 Uh, I am not preaching prosperity, wealth and claimant doctrine. 113 00:08:46.930 --> 00:08:47.610 I'm against it. 114 00:08:47.750 --> 00:08:49.910 I preach and teach against that. 115 00:08:50.550 --> 00:08:53.930 However, God blesses obedience. 116 00:08:54.490 --> 00:08:55.290 That's a fact. 117 00:08:55.770 --> 00:09:03.190 If you're, if you are obedient in the area of finances, there is a high probability that you are going 118 00:09:03.190 --> 00:09:07.390 to be very wise regarding finances and money and the use of money. 119 00:09:08.070 --> 00:09:10.670 And, uh, it will better your life. 120 00:09:10.770 --> 00:09:12.510 It will better the life of your family. 121 00:09:12.510 --> 00:09:16.970 And it will better the life of the people, you know, and it will better the life of your church 122 00:09:16.970 --> 00:09:17.690 that you attend. 123 00:09:18.950 --> 00:09:21.930 And it's a good feeling because it's God centered. 124 00:09:22.230 --> 00:09:25.990 It's Christ glorifying and it's the ministry toward others. 125 00:09:26.690 --> 00:09:28.690 Stop thinking that money is evil. 126 00:09:29.450 --> 00:09:31.890 Nowhere in the Bible does it say that money is evil. 127 00:09:32.650 --> 00:09:40.590 It's just not there, but we have pulled back to think, Oh yeah, it is evil because this charlatan preacher, 128 00:09:40.910 --> 00:09:44.210 this guy's yelling and screaming about sending him a thousand dollars. 129 00:09:44.350 --> 00:09:50.970 Look, I, I do hope, you know, never send, uh, televangelists money, never send them money. 130 00:09:51.590 --> 00:09:52.470 Don't do it. 131 00:09:53.710 --> 00:09:56.650 I mean, do it if God tells you to, but don't do it. 132 00:09:56.750 --> 00:10:03.990 If they told you to, uh, number one way for me to not send a ministry money is if they 133 00:10:03.990 --> 00:10:06.430 ask, will you send us money, please? 134 00:10:07.390 --> 00:10:08.450 Yeah, no way. 135 00:10:08.710 --> 00:10:15.950 So listen, so we already know that God is the creator of a free trade market. 136 00:10:16.130 --> 00:10:22.850 Man works with his hands, sells, uh, what he does to the betterment of his own life and the life 137 00:10:22.850 --> 00:10:23.350 of others. 138 00:10:23.930 --> 00:10:28.690 The Bible tells us that Abraham was a man who worked with his own hands and God blessed him with 139 00:10:28.690 --> 00:10:35.230 a multitude of flocks and God blessed him when he stopped and they dug wells, God brought up water. 140 00:10:35.390 --> 00:10:36.670 Notice all these things are miraculous. 141 00:10:37.390 --> 00:10:41.610 All that was needed was Abraham to apply his human skill and God blessed it. 142 00:10:42.570 --> 00:10:49.210 Before Adam was ever married, before Adam was married, Adam had a job. 143 00:10:50.590 --> 00:10:52.910 I think that's significant for our day and age. 144 00:10:53.350 --> 00:11:00.090 Keep that in mind before Adam ever was given Eve by God, God gave Adam a job. 145 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:06.020 And that is a significant part. 146 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:09.020 Nobody should get married without a job. 147 00:11:10.200 --> 00:11:10.720 Hello. 148 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:12.400 That's obvious. 149 00:11:12.920 --> 00:11:19.520 Uh, by the way, I don't care if you actually are listening to this podcast right now and you're worth 150 00:11:19.520 --> 00:11:26.520 a hundred million dollars and you get up in the morning and you sit on your hands, you're going to 151 00:11:26.520 --> 00:11:27.100 get in trouble. 152 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:32.040 Your idle time with your hands, I don't care how much money you're worth. 153 00:11:33.340 --> 00:11:36.940 You're not supposed to stop using your hands for good. 154 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:44.240 If you're worth a lot of money and you don't have to work like the rest of us do, and 155 00:11:44.240 --> 00:11:48.120 you're using your hands and your skills to get into mischief, boy, are you in trouble. 156 00:11:48.580 --> 00:11:55.360 Don't be surprised if your wealth sprouts wings like a bird and flies away from you instead of you using 157 00:11:55.360 --> 00:11:58.220 it for the advancement of God's love, kingdom, and grace. 158 00:11:59.860 --> 00:12:00.480 Money. 159 00:12:01.020 --> 00:12:04.500 First Timothy chapter six, verse 10 for the love of money. 160 00:12:04.780 --> 00:12:05.540 There you go. 161 00:12:05.760 --> 00:12:10.420 The love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. 162 00:12:10.700 --> 00:12:12.780 You see money's not evil. 163 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:15.220 Money is a moral. 164 00:12:16.660 --> 00:12:17.280 Okay. 165 00:12:17.360 --> 00:12:19.300 So football is not evil. 166 00:12:19.640 --> 00:12:21.320 Football is a moral. 167 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:26.420 It has no morality until humans assign morality to it. 168 00:12:29.260 --> 00:12:30.860 You can go on and on with this. 169 00:12:30.980 --> 00:12:31.800 I hope you get that. 170 00:12:31.880 --> 00:12:33.140 We don't have the time to develop that. 171 00:12:33.180 --> 00:12:35.820 I wish we did, but money is amoral. 172 00:12:36.900 --> 00:12:42.760 It's used for good or evil based upon the person who is governing it. 173 00:12:44.960 --> 00:12:47.380 I have this Sharpie in my hand. 174 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:57.380 I could write with this Sharpie with my hand that, so I write love you. 175 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:03.280 With the Sharpie, I wrote this. 176 00:13:04.080 --> 00:13:22.810 With this same Sharpie, I could turn around and say something like down with you or let's riot or something. 177 00:13:26.010 --> 00:13:27.690 This pen is amoral. 178 00:13:27.870 --> 00:13:29.270 Money is amoral. 179 00:13:29.770 --> 00:13:35.070 It doesn't have any morality until you put it into practice. 180 00:13:36.110 --> 00:13:39.910 That's why we are to be stewards over the resources we have. 181 00:13:39.950 --> 00:13:42.030 And you might say, Pastor Jack, I don't have any resources. 182 00:13:42.030 --> 00:13:43.230 Yes, you do. 183 00:13:43.810 --> 00:13:44.970 Don't say that. 184 00:13:45.050 --> 00:13:46.330 You say, I'm so broke. 185 00:13:47.910 --> 00:13:48.350 Yeah. 186 00:13:48.490 --> 00:13:49.130 No, you're not. 187 00:13:50.370 --> 00:13:51.750 Listen, you're not. 188 00:13:53.510 --> 00:14:03.820 If you're living from check to check, you have the ability with $1 to bless someone or to use it 189 00:14:03.820 --> 00:14:04.480 for God's glory. 190 00:14:05.540 --> 00:14:10.960 Maybe you're in a pension or maybe you're on social security. 191 00:14:14.020 --> 00:14:19.980 God will call you and show you how to use a nickel for his glory. 192 00:14:20.220 --> 00:14:20.800 Do you understand? 193 00:14:20.980 --> 00:14:22.120 My friend, please get this. 194 00:14:23.520 --> 00:14:33.160 In the eyes of God, a million dollars is not more good than a nickel. 195 00:14:34.620 --> 00:14:40.900 You can use a million dollars with the wrong motive to do the bad thing, the wrong thing, and somebody 196 00:14:40.900 --> 00:14:42.420 else can use a nickel. 197 00:14:44.060 --> 00:14:48.480 And it winds up in eternity being more honoring to God than a million dollars. 198 00:14:49.240 --> 00:14:51.120 I hope I made that point very, very clear. 199 00:14:52.300 --> 00:14:57.600 Back to 1 Timothy chapter 6, verse 10, for the love of money is a root of all kinds of 200 00:14:57.600 --> 00:15:09.710 evil, for which some, having strayed from the faith, interesting, faith in the use of money, having strayed from the 201 00:15:09.710 --> 00:15:15.710 faith, have become greedy and have pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 202 00:15:16.690 --> 00:15:20.870 Did you know that chasing wealth will pierce you through with many sorrows? 203 00:15:21.870 --> 00:15:27.770 Did you know that chasing wealth will get you into schemes and plots and plans that will end to your 204 00:15:27.770 --> 00:15:28.170 demise? 205 00:15:30.470 --> 00:15:41.590 I spoke to a man rather recently who said to me, because of my greed and my pursuit and my 206 00:15:41.590 --> 00:15:56.330 ambition, things began to, I fudged things along the way, and that man was sentenced to 127 years in prison 207 00:15:58.980 --> 00:15:59.820 because of money. 208 00:16:02.230 --> 00:16:10.970 And now the Lord's got a hold of his beautiful heart, and he's telling people and writing to people saying, 209 00:16:12.050 --> 00:16:14.970 seek God first, do not love money. 210 00:16:15.690 --> 00:16:17.990 What about 2 Thessalonians 3, verse 10? 211 00:16:18.910 --> 00:16:27.790 For even when we were with you, we commanded you this one thing, if anyone will not work, if anyone 212 00:16:27.790 --> 00:16:30.770 will not work, neither shall he eat. 213 00:16:32.630 --> 00:16:39.390 I believe this principle needs to be, this should be the verse that is embossed in the front of the 214 00:16:39.390 --> 00:16:50.630 United States Federal Office of the Social Security Office, the US Treasury, Health and Human Services. 215 00:16:52.610 --> 00:16:58.690 If you have the ability to make money with your hands, and you do not, you should not be given 216 00:16:58.690 --> 00:16:59.310 food. 217 00:17:01.540 --> 00:17:02.500 The Bible says that. 218 00:17:02.580 --> 00:17:08.640 If you're a bum, the Bible says, let the guy who's a bum, let him get hungry enough, he'll go 219 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:09.099 to work. 220 00:17:11.260 --> 00:17:12.700 Man, is this tough love or what? 221 00:17:13.220 --> 00:17:14.500 No, it's not tough love. 222 00:17:14.960 --> 00:17:16.000 It's a normal way of living. 223 00:17:16.660 --> 00:17:19.000 Look, I'm old, but I'm not a dinosaur. 224 00:17:19.660 --> 00:17:30.260 I grew up in a non-Christian home that had enough sense that my dad's instruction to us was, only 225 00:17:30.260 --> 00:17:32.420 spend what you have. 226 00:17:34.800 --> 00:17:35.920 Save what you can. 227 00:17:38.210 --> 00:17:40.630 Put away a little bit here and there along the way. 228 00:17:43.780 --> 00:17:46.080 That was from a non-Christian home. 229 00:17:47.740 --> 00:17:54.740 And I, since the day I was able to acquire money from my first job at the age of 15 230 00:17:54.740 --> 00:18:01.320 in the summer, summer job working at a grocery store, did exactly that. 231 00:18:02.760 --> 00:18:04.740 In fact, can I insert this at this moment? 232 00:18:04.860 --> 00:18:14.990 I know I'm eating up time here, but this is kind of personal, but I'm telling you this because it 233 00:18:14.990 --> 00:18:16.730 will make things better for you. 234 00:18:16.810 --> 00:18:19.150 I don't care how old you are, or I don't care how young you are. 235 00:18:20.550 --> 00:18:27.570 So if I started at the age of 15, like a squirrel putting nuts away in a tree, I can 236 00:18:27.570 --> 00:18:34.910 tell you right now that I took my dad's advice on that, and I started putting away nickels, quarters, and 237 00:18:34.910 --> 00:18:40.160 dimes that eventually graduated out of a can. 238 00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:51.080 And in my dresser drawer, I started hiding an envelope and I would put dollars in an envelope and I 239 00:18:51.080 --> 00:18:51.580 would save up. 240 00:18:51.700 --> 00:18:52.960 I'm sorry, fighting something. 241 00:18:56.100 --> 00:18:59.360 I have done that since I was 15 years of age. 242 00:19:01.310 --> 00:19:09.990 The last time I checked, I have an envelope and that envelope has a date on it. 243 00:19:10.090 --> 00:19:17.350 And I think it's 1979 that I've been putting money in that envelope. 244 00:19:19.360 --> 00:19:21.680 Now today in the modern age, you don't have to use an envelope. 245 00:19:22.500 --> 00:19:25.740 There's great apps like Capital with a Q, Capital. 246 00:19:26.600 --> 00:19:29.420 There's many apps on how to save money. 247 00:19:32.550 --> 00:19:40.630 But why am I saying this is because if you're faithful in a little bit, God will give you the 248 00:19:40.630 --> 00:19:46.210 honor and the ability to be faithful with a little bit more, and then a little bit more, and then 249 00:19:46.210 --> 00:19:47.250 a little bit more. 250 00:19:47.670 --> 00:19:54.870 And you discipline yourself because I promise you this, if you've got $20 in your hand and you break it 251 00:19:54.870 --> 00:19:59.070 up and you take $5 of that and put it in an envelope or put it in a bank account 252 00:19:59.070 --> 00:20:03.330 and put it away, forget about it, you won't spend it. 253 00:20:04.970 --> 00:20:09.750 And by the way, there's apps today, like I said a moment ago, where if I go get $10 worth 254 00:20:09.750 --> 00:20:17.910 of gas, I have set my app to pay that gas bill, but also it sends the equal amount of 255 00:20:17.910 --> 00:20:18.310 gasoline. 256 00:20:18.770 --> 00:20:20.290 I paid $10 for gas. 257 00:20:20.490 --> 00:20:22.210 It turns around and it sends $10. 258 00:20:23.150 --> 00:20:25.310 I pay myself in a savings account. 259 00:20:25.930 --> 00:20:30.470 These are disciplines that are gloriously beautiful and it accumulates. 260 00:20:31.850 --> 00:20:33.650 And God will bless you with that. 261 00:20:34.430 --> 00:20:37.170 Management, little faithful in little make you faithful in more. 262 00:20:37.710 --> 00:20:39.810 Young people start that today, watch what happens. 263 00:20:40.970 --> 00:20:46.330 But I love how the Bible says if you're able-bodied, if you can make money and work, if you 264 00:20:46.330 --> 00:20:50.350 don't, you're not going to get any handouts. 265 00:20:51.290 --> 00:20:58.490 If that happened today, a bulk of America's economic problems would be solved in a weekend. 266 00:20:58.910 --> 00:20:59.490 Did you know that? 267 00:21:00.090 --> 00:21:04.910 This nation suffers because it pays people not to work. 268 00:21:05.490 --> 00:21:09.550 And that is a Godless antiChrist concept. 269 00:21:10.430 --> 00:21:13.610 You don't work, you're not going to get any food. 270 00:21:14.210 --> 00:21:18.910 To those who can't work because they are debilitated, wounded, injured. 271 00:21:20.290 --> 00:21:28.030 Hey, it's our honor to take care of you gladly because you can't participate that way. 272 00:21:30.050 --> 00:21:37.630 Proverbs 22 verse 7, the rich rules over the poor and the borrower is servant to the lender. 273 00:21:39.390 --> 00:21:42.750 Proverbs 22 verse 7 is a verse that warns us against abuse. 274 00:21:43.250 --> 00:21:44.970 And our nation is full of abuse. 275 00:21:45.850 --> 00:21:49.990 This would probably be a good time for me to talk to you guys about, gosh, look at me, I'm 276 00:21:49.990 --> 00:21:53.650 turning into your parent or to your grandparent. 277 00:21:56.130 --> 00:21:57.670 But that's okay, I guess, right? 278 00:21:57.850 --> 00:21:59.450 If it helps you, super. 279 00:22:00.570 --> 00:22:04.110 But not everyone can receive what I'm about to say. 280 00:22:06.680 --> 00:22:13.180 I know that, oh, I can't think of his name. 281 00:22:13.340 --> 00:22:13.940 You know who he is. 282 00:22:14.160 --> 00:22:16.680 The Christian money guy, whoever he is. 283 00:22:17.460 --> 00:22:19.680 He does not agree with me, but that's okay. 284 00:22:19.740 --> 00:22:20.980 I don't agree with him on this. 285 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:28.960 In Proverbs 22 when it says, the rich rules over the poor and the borrower is servant to the lender, 286 00:22:29.660 --> 00:22:40.920 I am a massive fan of using particular credit cards that are worthy of my use. 287 00:22:41.320 --> 00:22:42.200 I mean this sincerely. 288 00:22:42.720 --> 00:22:50.660 Folks, now I'm taking off my pastor's hat and I'm putting on my personal hat for Jack's life. 289 00:22:50.800 --> 00:22:56.400 I am not, for the record, I am not a financial advisor, nor do I pretend to be one or 290 00:22:56.400 --> 00:23:02.560 play the role of, but I am a steward over what God has given me, as you should be over 291 00:23:02.560 --> 00:23:02.800 you. 292 00:23:03.720 --> 00:23:06.500 And so, for example, young people listen carefully. 293 00:23:08.360 --> 00:23:15.220 Research the best credit cards that pay the most in points and or dollars back for credit card use. 294 00:23:16.820 --> 00:23:19.040 The best cards are going to have fees. 295 00:23:19.480 --> 00:23:20.520 Don't let that scare you. 296 00:23:22.160 --> 00:23:26.040 If you, for example, I'm just going to go big. 297 00:23:27.040 --> 00:23:35.200 If you, for example, apply for a credit card because you choose to apply for this particular, let's say, I 298 00:23:35.200 --> 00:23:36.560 hope I can say this legally. 299 00:23:36.940 --> 00:23:37.740 I'll make one up. 300 00:23:40.860 --> 00:23:42.140 Amex, American Express. 301 00:23:42.300 --> 00:23:43.360 I'm just using that as an example. 302 00:23:43.480 --> 00:23:44.320 I'm not promoting them. 303 00:23:45.040 --> 00:23:46.860 I'm not doing a commercial for them. 304 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:51.380 But the annual fee is 500 bucks. 305 00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:52.420 What? 306 00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:56.340 500 bucks to have their credit card? 307 00:23:56.680 --> 00:23:57.560 Hold on. 308 00:23:58.480 --> 00:23:59.640 They're not dumb. 309 00:24:00.080 --> 00:24:01.660 There's a reason why they're charging you. 310 00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:05.340 If you are a young person, this may not be the card for you. 311 00:24:06.060 --> 00:24:12.240 You might want to go with something that the annual fee is 55, 75 or 100 dollars a year. 312 00:24:13.820 --> 00:24:15.120 Why would I do that? 313 00:24:15.980 --> 00:24:24.760 Because every time I use this American Express card, it gives me so many points or dollars for money spent. 314 00:24:24.900 --> 00:24:37.640 For example, if I fill my gas tank up at Shell Oil, I get four points or four dollars for 315 00:24:37.640 --> 00:24:44.800 every dollar spent that is put into or that is in the American Express account. 316 00:24:46.220 --> 00:24:48.120 Fast forward through all of this. 317 00:24:48.320 --> 00:24:48.740 Watch this. 318 00:24:48.860 --> 00:24:50.000 I travel a lot. 319 00:24:51.020 --> 00:24:53.740 And so you know that 500 dollar fee. 320 00:24:54.520 --> 00:24:56.400 Here's how I justify it. 321 00:24:57.620 --> 00:25:07.120 I pay them 500 to have their credit card, but I don't care what their interest rate is, because I 322 00:25:07.120 --> 00:25:12.920 will only spend on that card what I can pay at the end of 30 days. 323 00:25:13.600 --> 00:25:23.770 I use their money to make money, meaning I pay my bill off at the end of the month so 324 00:25:23.770 --> 00:25:24.690 that I'm not charging. 325 00:25:24.830 --> 00:25:32.310 They're not charging me interest, but they just gave me, let's say I spent a thousand dollars on new tires 326 00:25:32.310 --> 00:25:32.990 for my car. 327 00:25:34.150 --> 00:25:37.850 I have that thousand dollars in my pocket, but I'm not going to use it. 328 00:25:38.270 --> 00:25:43.110 I'm going to use the card and then at the end of the month send the money that's in my 329 00:25:43.110 --> 00:25:48.970 pocket to the credit card company because now we just broke even, right? 330 00:25:48.990 --> 00:25:49.750 We're all zeroed out. 331 00:25:49.850 --> 00:25:50.470 They're paid. 332 00:25:50.610 --> 00:25:51.770 I paid for it. 333 00:25:51.850 --> 00:25:52.490 It's done. 334 00:25:52.670 --> 00:25:57.370 But they wind up giving me a thousand or two or three thousand points. 335 00:25:58.410 --> 00:25:59.850 Are you with me at tracking? 336 00:26:00.770 --> 00:26:07.090 The points I use to travel, the points I use for hotel, it's free money. 337 00:26:07.990 --> 00:26:13.150 I will only use a credit card that pays me to use their card. 338 00:26:14.070 --> 00:26:16.290 I use them to make money. 339 00:26:17.190 --> 00:26:19.190 Now, people will say, don't use credit cards. 340 00:26:19.210 --> 00:26:19.870 You'll go into debt. 341 00:26:20.210 --> 00:26:25.850 This is true for people who do not have self-control and for people who do not understand how to 342 00:26:25.850 --> 00:26:26.910 use somebody else's money. 343 00:26:27.670 --> 00:26:28.810 Use the bank's money. 344 00:26:28.950 --> 00:26:31.390 Use the credit card company's money to your advantage. 345 00:26:31.570 --> 00:26:37.350 They are literally banking on you not being a good Christian steward over money. 346 00:26:37.410 --> 00:26:38.270 Does that make sense? 347 00:26:39.310 --> 00:26:40.530 Beat them at their game. 348 00:26:41.490 --> 00:26:46.950 Citibank, Chase, I don't care who it is. 349 00:26:47.070 --> 00:26:48.090 Research for yourself. 350 00:26:48.670 --> 00:26:50.470 But here's the fun thing about this. 351 00:26:52.210 --> 00:26:54.850 I will not become indebted to the lender. 352 00:26:55.730 --> 00:27:01.990 I actually use the lender to capitalize off of their lending. 353 00:27:03.750 --> 00:27:04.730 I hope this makes sense. 354 00:27:04.830 --> 00:27:05.550 It's so simple. 355 00:27:06.670 --> 00:27:07.530 I'm going to, I got to hurry up. 356 00:27:07.590 --> 00:27:09.310 I can't believe it's 26 minutes already. 357 00:27:09.370 --> 00:27:10.450 We've been talking on this stuff. 358 00:27:10.730 --> 00:27:13.350 You said, yeah, but Jack, you still have the $500 problem. 359 00:27:13.710 --> 00:27:14.870 It's a $500 fee. 360 00:27:15.150 --> 00:27:23.030 Not, not a problem at all because certain credit cards, certain credit cards, all I have to do, I know, 361 00:27:23.050 --> 00:27:25.810 I know this like a science because I've been doing this all my life. 362 00:27:26.330 --> 00:27:27.790 For example, here's an example. 363 00:27:28.470 --> 00:27:30.310 $500, I pay a $500 fee. 364 00:27:30.470 --> 00:27:31.390 Do you know what that means to me? 365 00:27:31.530 --> 00:27:35.530 That means I have to rent a car at least four times this year. 366 00:27:36.490 --> 00:27:41.970 If I'm traveling and I rent a car from Hertz, I'm not paid by Hertz to say this. 367 00:27:42.590 --> 00:27:51.430 If I rent the car from Hertz, that particular credit card, the benefit for paying the $500 is I don't 368 00:27:51.430 --> 00:27:59.090 have to pay for any of the liability insurances that they want to charge me every day that I use 369 00:27:59.090 --> 00:27:59.250 it. 370 00:27:59.350 --> 00:28:00.890 It's covered by the insurance company. 371 00:28:01.290 --> 00:28:02.910 Now, not all cards are the same. 372 00:28:03.670 --> 00:28:04.630 You got to research this. 373 00:28:04.710 --> 00:28:05.490 Be very careful. 374 00:28:05.630 --> 00:28:06.310 Be very smart. 375 00:28:06.850 --> 00:28:08.250 Be very shrewd about this. 376 00:28:08.830 --> 00:28:09.450 Apply yourself. 377 00:28:09.530 --> 00:28:10.250 Be a good steward. 378 00:28:10.830 --> 00:28:13.390 But I know my math. 379 00:28:14.050 --> 00:28:23.980 It saves me four car rentals and I am well on my way to, to using that $500 or getting 380 00:28:23.980 --> 00:28:27.340 that $500 back of the fee that I've used. 381 00:28:27.660 --> 00:28:31.500 On top of the fact, any airline, I, I'm not going to tell you cause I don't want to get 382 00:28:31.500 --> 00:28:31.900 in trouble. 383 00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:39.360 But I have a particular well-known credit card that if I book any travel on that card during the 384 00:28:39.360 --> 00:28:47.220 duration ticketed dates of that card, if I die during those ticketed dates of that travel that I used with 385 00:28:47.220 --> 00:28:54.080 that credit card, it pays a $1 million life insurance policy out for the duration of my life. 386 00:28:54.120 --> 00:29:03.910 If I die while using that flight, that train, that plane, that cruise, and the ship sinks because I bought 387 00:29:03.910 --> 00:29:05.390 the ticket on that credit card. 388 00:29:08.030 --> 00:29:09.270 That's one of the perks. 389 00:29:10.070 --> 00:29:12.470 You see what I'm telling you to do as a Christian? 390 00:29:13.330 --> 00:29:19.030 Use God, use money wisely and be a good steward over it. 391 00:29:19.610 --> 00:29:25.390 What I want to do is I want to make enough money to feed my wife. 392 00:29:26.050 --> 00:29:31.430 All my kids are gone now, but I want to lay up a treasure for my children and grandchildren. 393 00:29:32.990 --> 00:29:41.450 But first I tithe to the work of God always first, always first. 394 00:29:42.130 --> 00:29:43.250 That's between me and God. 395 00:29:43.430 --> 00:29:46.190 And I'm not going to tell you what percentage I use. 396 00:29:46.270 --> 00:29:47.670 That's between me and God. 397 00:29:48.710 --> 00:29:50.590 My goodness, we could go on and on about this. 398 00:29:50.730 --> 00:29:51.950 I don't know how much time you have. 399 00:29:52.010 --> 00:29:53.250 I don't even know how much time I have. 400 00:29:53.310 --> 00:29:55.730 I'm going to wait for the producers to start yelling at me. 401 00:29:57.450 --> 00:29:59.310 Proverbs, oh wow, here it is. 402 00:29:59.730 --> 00:30:03.830 Proverbs 13, 22, a good man leaves an inheritance to his children's children. 403 00:30:04.010 --> 00:30:04.670 I just said that. 404 00:30:05.050 --> 00:30:08.310 I didn't even know that was the next verse that was printed out. 405 00:30:10.280 --> 00:30:15.860 Did you know that as elderly people, we are not to borrow or we're not to lean upon our children 406 00:30:15.860 --> 00:30:16.440 for help? 407 00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:25.840 Did you know that as elderly people, we are to have blessed our children so that they are blessed because 408 00:30:25.840 --> 00:30:29.140 we have seen to it that we're not a burden to them. 409 00:30:30.460 --> 00:30:41.300 So in other words, if we got our home and we paid it off, we are now no longer a 410 00:30:41.300 --> 00:30:45.620 burden to our children and our children's children because we'll never be homeless. 411 00:30:47.060 --> 00:30:53.040 Or if you buy us in America, a lot of people can, after they pay their home off, they can 412 00:30:53.040 --> 00:30:55.580 buy a second home or they can reinvest in other things. 413 00:30:55.860 --> 00:30:56.380 That's great. 414 00:30:57.060 --> 00:30:57.820 That's great. 415 00:30:58.960 --> 00:31:03.000 Just don't become a burden to your children or your children's children, but rather a blessing. 416 00:31:03.600 --> 00:31:05.320 President Trump, I don't know if you know about this. 417 00:31:05.440 --> 00:31:11.220 President Trump just initiated the Trump, the Trump, anybody know what that's called? 418 00:31:11.320 --> 00:31:13.580 You guys, the Trump savings account for children. 419 00:31:14.300 --> 00:31:17.480 It's never happened before in the history of America. 420 00:31:17.900 --> 00:31:26.780 Trump initiated the Trump savings plan for children that are born from 1920, from 20, born from 2025 on. 421 00:31:27.380 --> 00:31:30.420 The government puts a certain amount of money. 422 00:31:31.100 --> 00:31:36.320 It's in, I think it's in the thousands, two, three or $4,000, something like that. 423 00:31:36.840 --> 00:31:37.760 Oh, it's $1,000. 424 00:31:38.260 --> 00:31:42.480 The government of the United States of America, Trump said, this is a good idea. 425 00:31:43.020 --> 00:31:44.580 By the way, he did this with his kids. 426 00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:47.080 That's the way he's doing it for you, which is great. 427 00:31:47.280 --> 00:31:49.180 Everybody, you know, I don't care what you think about him. 428 00:31:50.440 --> 00:31:51.580 He did a great thing here. 429 00:31:53.040 --> 00:31:58.620 And kids get a government account with a thousand dollars deposited in it that's managed by the United States government. 430 00:31:59.300 --> 00:32:01.120 And it's tied to the market. 431 00:32:02.020 --> 00:32:06.720 And when they become 18 years of age, they get a note from the United States government saying, you have 432 00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:10.200 this much money now that has earned interest and increased in percentage. 433 00:32:11.040 --> 00:32:14.100 And it was $1,000 that grew in the stock market. 434 00:32:14.220 --> 00:32:14.880 And here you go. 435 00:32:16.100 --> 00:32:17.040 Trump did that. 436 00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:20.460 The Bible said that thousands of years ago. 437 00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:23.080 It's awesome. 438 00:32:24.820 --> 00:32:26.440 And then we'll have to end with this. 439 00:32:26.540 --> 00:32:33.620 My goodness, 31 minutes, Malachi chapter three, verse 10, bring all the tithes into the storehouse that there may be 440 00:32:33.620 --> 00:32:39.180 food in my house, God says, and try me now in this thing, says the Lord of hosts. 441 00:32:39.580 --> 00:32:45.280 If I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you such blessings that there 442 00:32:45.280 --> 00:32:47.540 will not be room enough to receive it. 443 00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:49.280 Such blessings. 444 00:32:49.780 --> 00:32:50.720 Let me end with this. 445 00:32:53.340 --> 00:32:54.360 What is such blessings? 446 00:32:55.040 --> 00:32:59.660 This is a test, right? 447 00:33:00.020 --> 00:33:02.660 This is a test of the national broadcast. 448 00:33:03.080 --> 00:33:05.540 Listen, this is a test by the national security agency. 449 00:33:05.660 --> 00:33:06.360 This is a test. 450 00:33:11.280 --> 00:33:17.700 Give to God's causes, whatever God's concerned about, and he will return to you blessings. 451 00:33:17.900 --> 00:33:18.580 What does that mean? 452 00:33:19.060 --> 00:33:21.880 If you think money, you're thinking wrong. 453 00:33:24.040 --> 00:33:25.640 I want you to take a deep breath and relax. 454 00:33:25.780 --> 00:33:26.240 Think bigger. 455 00:33:26.860 --> 00:33:27.520 Think bigger. 456 00:33:28.980 --> 00:33:33.160 There's a lot, a lot that's bigger than money. 457 00:33:34.100 --> 00:33:37.460 Put God first, support his work. 458 00:33:38.540 --> 00:33:40.520 He'll bless you back with blessings. 459 00:33:41.940 --> 00:33:46.860 You can have a billion dollars and you cannot buy health. 460 00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:49.220 What if God blesses you with health? 461 00:33:51.770 --> 00:34:00.320 You can have a trillion dollars, but you have rotten relationships with your wife or your husband or family. 462 00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:01.600 You can't buy it. 463 00:34:03.040 --> 00:34:04.260 Two different economies. 464 00:34:05.180 --> 00:34:05.940 You know what God does? 465 00:34:06.260 --> 00:34:07.620 God says, you know what I'm going to do? 466 00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:08.560 Here's what I'm going to do. 467 00:34:09.420 --> 00:34:16.739 Because you put me first, I'm going to bless you back and let him bless you back. 468 00:34:17.560 --> 00:34:22.340 Don't tell him, well, that means I'm going to get a raise. 469 00:34:22.739 --> 00:34:23.520 It could. 470 00:34:23.820 --> 00:34:25.199 I don't care about that. 471 00:34:25.980 --> 00:34:29.699 I'd rather have my life favored by the grace of God. 472 00:34:30.580 --> 00:34:42.820 Good relationships with my kids, grandkids, my staff, the ministries, businesses, people, health, influence. 473 00:34:44.040 --> 00:34:47.940 Come on, you can have all the money in the world and you can't influence anybody. 474 00:34:49.219 --> 00:34:51.540 What if God gives you favor to influence people? 475 00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:53.659 That's precious. 476 00:34:56.570 --> 00:35:00.530 Well, there's one thing that God did not bless us with, and that is with enough time, which means God, 477 00:35:00.610 --> 00:35:04.310 who is sovereign, knows that 34 minutes is time to stop. 478 00:35:04.970 --> 00:35:06.990 So you guys, thanks for joining. 479 00:35:07.110 --> 00:35:11.010 If you'd like to hear more stuff, if you'd like me to expound more on some of these things, was 480 00:35:11.010 --> 00:35:12.550 this too practical to you? 481 00:35:13.010 --> 00:35:14.970 Or what about other topics? 482 00:35:15.270 --> 00:35:16.590 Please, we'd love to hear from you. 483 00:35:16.770 --> 00:35:18.050 Give me ideas. 484 00:35:18.210 --> 00:35:18.870 Give me topics. 485 00:35:19.370 --> 00:35:20.570 I bumped into a kid. 486 00:35:21.070 --> 00:35:21.750 Where was I? 487 00:35:23.550 --> 00:35:24.810 It doesn't matter where I was. 488 00:35:24.890 --> 00:35:25.810 It was very recent. 489 00:35:26.630 --> 00:35:30.210 This young man, I'm impressed. 490 00:35:30.370 --> 00:35:31.390 He's 17 years old. 491 00:35:31.470 --> 00:35:33.030 The guy was like 6'4". 492 00:35:34.730 --> 00:35:37.830 And he said, Pastor Jack, I listen to your podcast all the time. 493 00:35:37.870 --> 00:35:39.110 I said, oh my gosh, that's great. 494 00:35:39.870 --> 00:35:44.690 You just blessed me, man, by saying that you listened to an old guy talk to you about life. 495 00:35:44.870 --> 00:35:46.890 And he said, no, no, man, I'm just loving it. 496 00:35:47.070 --> 00:35:53.170 And I said, you could really do me a favor if you just sent me ideas and questions and thoughts 497 00:35:53.170 --> 00:35:55.010 from your generation that you represent. 498 00:35:55.010 --> 00:35:56.390 He said, I'd love to. 499 00:35:56.470 --> 00:35:57.010 I'm going to do it. 500 00:35:57.030 --> 00:35:58.090 I said, great, do it. 501 00:35:58.510 --> 00:36:00.150 Please, friend, do that. 502 00:36:00.290 --> 00:36:01.250 What do you want me to talk about? 503 00:36:01.530 --> 00:36:02.610 From a biblical worldview? 504 00:36:03.110 --> 00:36:04.310 What do you want me to talk about? 505 00:36:04.670 --> 00:36:10.430 This is something we just got done talking about that otherwise did not look like a biblical worldview issue, did 506 00:36:10.430 --> 00:36:10.670 it? 507 00:36:11.350 --> 00:36:16.750 And look how much in a short period of time does the Bible talk about you and I staying clear, 508 00:36:17.630 --> 00:36:23.810 dangerous, free from, on guard against the love of money? 509 00:36:24.810 --> 00:36:25.030 Nope. 510 00:36:25.730 --> 00:36:30.210 The Christian call is be wise to use money. 511 00:36:30.910 --> 00:36:35.250 If it's even a widow's might, a little bit. 512 00:36:35.970 --> 00:36:39.990 Be faithful in that, and God will make you faithful in more. 513 00:36:40.750 --> 00:36:41.950 And that's not just money. 514 00:36:42.590 --> 00:36:45.070 Make you faithful in more of life. 515 00:36:46.370 --> 00:36:47.850 Until next time, God bless you guys. 516 00:36:52.120 --> 00:36:57.880 This Jack Hibbs podcast, as well as all the broadcast outreach opportunities are listener supported. 517 00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:01.440 Will you consider partnering with us through a special gift? 518 00:37:01.660 --> 00:37:06.740 Go to Jackhibbs.com to learn more and stay connected.










