The Pagan Cycle of Abortion

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Real Life presents the Jack Hibbs podcast with intention and boldness to proclaim truth, equip the saints and impact our culture.

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Hey, I am blessed and privileged to be with Seth Gruber, the founder of the White Rose Resistance. You need to know what it's all about and you need to know what Seth has to say. I believe that he's the premier voice for the unborn child that's in America today, if not the world.

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So, seth, I know this is unrehearsed, we're sitting down right now together, but just tell us about what's going on, some of the projects that you have lined up, and really what's going on with your relationship to the church, with your vision, with the mission. Are you getting the love? Are you giving the help? Are you being taken care of? What's going on?

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Yeah, amen. Well, for those of you guys listening, if you don't know this, you need to know this. Pastor Jack is himself an abortion survivor. Some people don't know that. Some people remember the Calvary magazine interview you did years ago. We did an Instagram reel with your team that we collaborated on together and that reached a lot of people and a lot of people were responding saying I didn't even know that about Pastor Jack's testimony and story.

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And, by the way, guys, when we say abortion survivor, we don't mean like a woman who got an abortion and then got healed. Some people get confused. No, we're talking about like a baby who survived a failed abortion attempt on their life while in utero. That's what we mean by the phrase abortion survivor. And so we've worked together on a Love Life California conference at this church before Calvary, chabalchino Hills, january 2022.

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And we had our friend, melissa Oden, who runs the abortion survivors network, and it's just so profound to be with you, jack again, just thinking about the horror and trauma of having your life attacked before you've even seen the light of day, before you've even felt the warmth of your mother's arms, that your life was being assaulted and attacked already.

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And we've talked about this and you've talked about this publicly I'm not sharing anything that you haven't said and you had such incredible love and compassion for your mother, but to be attacked by those who were designed to protect you before you were even born, it's an incredibly traumatic and horrific thing to consider, and in an age in society that says believe survivors, trust survivors, it's interesting how the culture does not have any patience for the stories of abortion survivors who are simply saying if abortion was a woman's right issue, than where was my right? Exactly Because most abortion survivors are women, strangely enough, isn't that so? Where are their women's rights when their mother was paying a hit man to try to kill them in utero? And so I didn't answer your question at all. But like it's just so good to be with you again, brother, as probably the most outspoken pro-life pastor in the country, but the fact that you survived a failed abortion attempt just provides so much credibility to your voice, brother.

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Well, I tell you what. What's amazing too, seth, is the fact that my you know, when I I was in junior high when I found that out, when you heard them talking about it, yeah, but I had to mature years later to find out several things. Number one when I became a Christian, it all began to make sense for me. Second thing is having been an abortion survivor, that causes you to have what I believe is a little bit of more boldness toward the call, toward the mission.

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Because, in a sense, yeah, I was already destined to death.

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So I've gone through that. I wasn't supposed to live, but you know, you mentioned something about my mom and the real issue was it was my father who put her through the demand that when he came back from Alaska, that she was not to be pregnant with this child, and so she was the victim. I was a victim, and then you know, if you think about it, my dad grew up in a non-Christian worldview experience. So it just goes to show you that when God is interjected into the scenario, the healing radically takes place, because the very son that was not supposed to be born wound up, leading my mom and my dad to Christ, and so I'll see them later in heaven. But tell me what's going on. You've got an incredible platform and God is using you tremendously. How is that being played out? Are your speaking engagements predominantly churches? Is it the public square? Tell me what is the day in the life of Seth Gruber in the White Rose Resistance.

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Well, thanks to you, jack, trusting a little 29-year-old whippersnapper in October of 2020 to preach on a Sunday morning, and I had lost my stage fright, pastor Jack, in about 2017, until I preached here October 2020, because I went from speaking in churches of 200, maybe 300 people to all three services, while you're defying Newsome and the state of California fully open. And that was the morning that changed my life actually was having spoken at Comeback California a month before, and then you had me at 29-years-old and then again 14 months ago when I launched the White Rose Resistance, and I haven't looked back. And so, thanks to you actually more so than any other single individual in the country, pastor Jack, the national response to the White Rose Resistance has just been such a god thing, and so it's right. Now it is January 2024. I'm pretty much booked out through June. I have almost no openings whatsoever. We have three kids. We moved to Kansas to be closer to the in-laws because of all the traveling.

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We're probably the fastest growing pro-life organization in the country right now, and what makes us a little more unique because I'm not here to talk down other organizations we need lots of other organizations in the movement what makes us unique is. I think I'm trying to put myself out of a job. You see, we actually don't need another 501c3 doing the work that the bloodbought bride of Christ was called to do. And I mean, my mom was the director of a pregnancy resource center in the late 1980s, when she was in her late 20s in Azusa, california, before she married my dad and had me as the first born. I grew up in the Walk for Life every year. I was raised in the pro-life movement and yet I'm telling you in your audience right now, there are too many 501c3 non-profit pro-life organizations doing the work, filling in the gap left open by the local church. The pro-life movement did not begin in the 1970s, jack. It began in the first century.

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Oh, that's right.

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The heritage of the church is that wherever the gospel is preached, social transformation follows.

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So when we have Prop 1, abortion through point of birth funded by the public dole in the state of California, when they're firing our friend Jessica Tapia, who worships her, because she says I'm not gonna use a minor's preferred pronoun, and then lie to the parents and let the dude go in the women's restroom because his inner transgender legion says he's actually a woman, and then she gets fired, if these are not signs of the times, of the kind of culture of death we're living in, I don't know what is. It was the church that established righteousness. It was the Judeo-Christian worldview that established the quote unquote blessings of liberty. So we now wait downstream, to quote my pastor, rob McCoy, and we pick up human heartache that we helped create through our political apathy upstream, unless we lost our 501c3 statuses by preaching the full counsel of God and pure and undefiled religion. What we actually need is Christians learning how to be salty again. And so you look back when you read the Old Testament and you see Gideon in Judges 6. Hiding out in a cave like a little pansy yeah.

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Pastor Jack. And then the angel of the Lord comes to Gideon and judges sex and he says mighty man of valor. He reminds him of his identity mighty man of valor, while he's hiding out in a cave like a little pansy because they had Bernie Sanders. Democratic socialism that's right.

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Right, because the Midianites were taking all the wheat that they grew fresh.

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You grow it we'll take it you make, we take. That's a social, I mean, it's democratic socialism.

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Jack which I've been told is much better.

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Right. I'm not sure how that works. I think it's if you vote your way in, you have to shoot your way out, or something like that. So he's hiding out in the cave threshing his own wheat. So he's a taxivator. That's right, naughty, naughty Gideon, this is true. And then in his conversation with the angel of the Lord, what happens? He cooks, got a meal. The angel of the Lord lights it on fire. So he freaks out. He has like a Job bobbin. He's like okay, I'm gonna shut up, now you're God. And then it says end that same night it says God said, walked out of the cave, go tear down the altars to bale the high places and the asherapoles that's right Up up the asherapoles and then use them to burn the sacrifice unto me.

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Which is pretty awesome, that God would have him go chop down both those particular types of worship icons, one of them being the how do we say it? One of them being a very tall pole.

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That is can you believe this.

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This is in the Bible, people.

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You just sound like a conspiracy theory. Yeah, I know.

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But in the Bible God says tear down those Asherapoles, those astropoles, which were fertility poles, where people would gather together, and they were Orgies from the goddess of sex. Truly orgies to all of these various deities, and then the pregnancy that follows. Then they just went down the road to Moloch.

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And they, as it was in Judges 6, so it is today. Sex ed is their sales funnel, abortion is their product and your children are their prospects.

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You said that. Yes, I'll say that again. Sex ed is their sales funnel.

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Abortion is their product and your children are their prospects. So let me unpack that. You got Asherah, goddess of sex orgies. Oops, what happens when you do a lot of that? Unwanted pregnancies, unplanned pregnancies, that's okay. Walk over to the other side of the camp, to the Baal statues and pass your children through the fire. God says you go, tear down those two. What are the two pagan gods of our culture today? Sex and child sacrifice, both in and outside the womb, by the way, because if they make it out alive, planned Parenthood, who's? Not only the largest abortion provider in the world, papan.

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Jack guess what? Ready for this? Your audience probably never heard this statement before. According to Planned Parenthood's own celebratory statements, they are the second largest provider of cross-sex hormones and puberty blockers in the land of the free and the home of the brave. Planned Parenthood y'all. Let me say that again because you think I'm joking you.

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Right now, planned Parenthood, the largest abortion provider in the world, is, as of 2023, last year, the second largest provider of cross-sex hormones and puberty blockers in the land of the free and the home of the brave. It's their fastest growing revenue stream. Right now, in January of 2024, planned Parenthood's fastest growing revenue stream is not killing babies in the womb, it's selling cross-sex hormones and puberty blockers, by the way, creating permanent clients who will then need those drugs forever, especially if they go the full route with surgical castration and surgical intervention. They will need drugs for the rest of their life. That's a permanent client, just like Big Pharma keeps for you. Absolutely, that's the same organization. Planned Parenthood, that's exactly it, and that's brilliant. They are the largest provider of comprehensive sexuality education in America's public schools, which, yes, is that pornographic, horrifically inappropriate.

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Absolutely.

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Remember when Attorney General Merrick Garland, of course, said after that brother in Pastor Gary Hamrick's district, that's right In Loudoun County, virginia, by the way, him and his family got saved they attend Cornerstone Chapel now. He was at that school board meeting. That's right. And yeah, did he curse and get probably a little bit carried away? Yeah, you wanna know why? Audience? Because his daughter had been raped in a public high school bathroom in Loudoun County, virginia. Why? Because the school board in Loudoun County?

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Virginia said that boys could go into the girl's bathroom if they identified as a woman inside. So a dude who said he was a woman raped his father's daughter. The school board covered it up because it was their own policy. They transferred him to another school and he did it again to another girl.

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So the dad who got a little angry because his 16 year old daughter was raped and he gets a little carried away at the school board meeting, he gets arrested.

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and what happened the next week? Attorney General of the United States of America, Merrick Garland, says I'm opening up an investigation into domestic terrorism of parents speaking at school board meetings. That's right. But all of that kind of curriculum, all the kind of ideas that are leading to school boards hiding the gender identity of minor students from their parents it's all called comprehensive sexuality education, CSE, and I'm gonna. There's some stuff that if you're listening to this podcast right now, you can go to our Happening Now Conversation.

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Yeah, the Happening Now we did From.

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January 10th 2024.

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That's right and I reveal some extremely horrific, shocking, demonic history behind how not just Planned Parenthood, behind not just the legacy of Planned Parenthood, but how Planned Parenthood created comprehensive sexuality education, all the lewd porn stuff in the schools. Sometimes it's during sex or health week, sometimes it's in the school library, but sometimes it's actually in the required sex and week at public high schools. Planned Parenthood Jack wins 80%, 80% of the public funds for grants to go put that horrific sex ed that they wrote and then they go get the grants to go put their own curriculum into the schools. So what am I trying to say? Well, let me try to circle the barn here, because I'm getting a little carried away. That's all right, asherah and Be'ol, that's right. Sexual liberation is political control. If you sexualize a community, especially the young minds of innocent children who aren't aware of what's happening to them, they will eventually kill their children. Here's the final statement Child sacrifice has always been the conclusion of sexual liberation, as it was in Judges 6. So it is today.

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And all of that sprinkled, dusted with a religious pixie dust, so to speak of, knowingly or unknowingly, this is to pagan deities, which we know as demons, demonic activity. Its head has arisen again and America's falling headlong for it.

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So we're revealing and exposing all of this Our new film at the White Residence, speaking in churches, and we're not to the point where we need to be yet, Jack, and I'm sure you would agree, where the pulpits are ablaze with righteousness in America again and we have social transformation and godly men and women are running and getting elected and transforming school districts and overturning laws and restoring protections for marriage and families.

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Do you think that will ever happen?

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I believe by God's grace, if the people of God begin to care more about truth and righteousness.

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And what their father thinks about them. That's the biggest.

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We're going to have to take our own reputation in 501c3 statuses and being invited to write op-eds in the New York Times and the Washington Post If we walk away from the legacy that's been built by big evangelicalism.

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Yes, I just used that phrase in a sentence. Not big pharma, big Eva, big evangelicalism, those who want to place at the table. They care more about having their back rubbed by people at the World Economic Forum and the other sort of theological betterment. They're right for. The Gospel Coalition, who have done nothing to save pre-born children, to stand up against the sexualization of children, and our new film, the 1916 Project, which comes out in 2024, later this year, is going to blow the top off of what I call the hidden history of the secular moral revolution, the architects of the culture of death.

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Shoot through a few of those things, sure, just to get people fired up about it.

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So for people listening, pastor Jack, they're probably like well, this guy's kind of weird. I thought Jack said he was a pro-life speaker. Why is he spouting off on all this other stuff? Why, because all human conflict is ultimately theological. That's right. That's why, you know, you carve out a lane in the culture wars and say, well, I'm a pro-life speaker, I just want to say babies, well, praise God, I do too. But you can't rip the abortion movement out of the cultural fabric of the culture wars and say I just deal with this issue. This is what Senator Francis Schaeffer talked about.

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He said that we tend to deal in bits and pieces with ideology rather than seeing the Christian manifesto.

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How, then, shall we live, rather than seeing how the whole thing all goes together? And, by the way, have you guys noticed this about the left? It's not like that with them, the religion of leftism, humanism, secular progressivism, whatever you wanna call it they seemingly have a robust religion enough that speaks to all the issues of the day within their religious framework. Meaning the lenses of leftism there's a new phrase I just coined provide more pagan clarity to the culture wars for their congregants and deacons in the church of humanism, then apparently the pure and undefiled religion can provide for the blood bop bride of Christ to reach that same level of political and spiritual clarity according to the Christian worldview. What do I mean by this? Here's an example of this. Have you guys noticed how the left always sort of coalesces together Absolutely Anytime one of their core pagan sacraments is compromised. And the left doesn't agree about everything, jack. But if it comes to transing kids, sexualizing them, killing them in the womb, parental rights, transgenderism, men competing against women, they'll literally say things like there's no proof that men have a physical advantage over women. It's like dude, wow, secular humanism really rots the brain. But like anytime one of those core sacraments gets compromised, what do the? What do the deacons in the religion of humanism do? Absolutely, they unite and they set aside any other sort of peripheral political disagreement to unite on those core things and their religion, their ideology, whatever you wanna call it. It is robust enough for them to get in lockstep, that's right. But we bicker and we argue in Christendom and we go well.

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That Jack Hibbs, though, I mean, isn't he just a political activist? Has any prostituted his great commission duties to the GOP so he can be invited to speak at Republican events? That Jack, I don't trust that Jack Hibbs. Really. Is Christianity big enough to be able to provide clarity to issues of abortion? What about socialism?

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I thought the early church? Didn't they share and have everything in common, isn't?

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that socialism.

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And we bicker and we argue about these issues that actually the Bible and our historic Christian faith speak to very loudly and very clearly, but we seemingly can't see that.

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And why?

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And I'm convinced it's because we care more about our reputation that's right Our 501c3 status and what the Washington Post says about us than what God thinks about us.

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I gotta tell you I had an interesting revelation. I should have known this, but I didn't. I had the honor of being at a meeting and sitting next to me is a nationally renowned attorney. I'm not gonna mention his name because maybe I shouldn't, but he's the guy and we were talking and he said because his specialty is constitutional law and I didn't realize this he said that a church in the United States does not have to apply for a 501c3. That's right. Did you know that they are de?

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facto, and they're even dawned on me De facto, they're a 501c3.

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De facto, a church doesn't have to have a 501c3. It's already exempt, based on our constitution and our founding fathers.

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And when the IRS, a few years ago, said that all churches need to register to be a 501c3.

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Yeah, they don't Including one of my other pastor heroes, scott Craig in South Dakota. Him and a bunch of other pastors got together and said you know what? We're actually not even gonna register for that because we don't have to, because what you're saying is illegal. You can't require churches to register as a 501c3. It's amazing. But here's the mammon, exactly here here, here, here. That's right, just give us the children, just give us the babies here here. Just stay quiet, absolutely.

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So listen, you guys. Obviously this has been the fastest 25 minutes ever, and so, yeah, the time that Seth and I are bringing this podcast to you right now, we recently did what we call happening. Now it's 90 minutes of nonstop this and that, and that video on a G頻道 is the link to walkthrough of Gon farms in mitrakson. January 10th, I believe, was the day you can look that up by going to jackhibbscom. Jackhibbscom it's there happening now. You're gonna wanna see all of it in its entirety 90 minutes. But please keep him in prayer.

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The time that he could take to tell us the things that they have to go through, the things that they have to deal with, is absolutely ridiculous, because, I promise you this, those with other worldviews don't have to go through the hoops that Seth and his teams having to go through. You and I are living in a time of profound deception, brothers and sisters, and we need to know the truth, but it's not enough to know it. We've got to do it. In fact, it's worse to know it and not do it than to know it and to just play with it or to take it as some sort of a toy. Everything that we'll learn from God and from His Word. Now we're responsible to do it, and so that's why no area of life is off limits to the Christian and to that salt and light influence. Listen, as always, here, at Real Life. We believe that it's time for us to live out what we believe in. It's time for real life and we're grateful, Seth, for you and your ministry.

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You sound like Abraham Kuiper right now.

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That's an honor, wow. And the White Rose Resistance. People find out all about it. Find out all about it. Seth Grover's doing a great work. Get behind him and support him.

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Yeah, you can go to the whiteroadslife learn all about what we're doing If you want to know why Planned Parenthood's founding board member was called the spiritual father of Nazi Germany and is the only American to have had a one-on-one meeting with Adolf Hitler after he rose to power. Yes, I said that, the founding board member of Planned Parenthood. Do you want to know how that happened and more? Go to the Happening.

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Now 90-minute conversation and hear the hidden history of the secular moral revolution, the architects of the culture of death, planned Parenthood, the largest, best-funded and most profitable 501C3 in American history, and watch our trailer of the film that is going to reawaken the bloodbomb writer price in America and expose the deeds of darkness Ephesians 511. It's called the 1916 Project. We have not publicly released the trailer yet. You can only watch the trailer to the 1916 Project by going and watching the Happening Now conversation and watching us premiere for the first time publicly on January 10th 2024 at Cabrera Cappuccino.

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So good God bless you, brother Bless, you Love it.

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