The Pagan Cycle of Abortion

Real life presents the Jack Hibbs podcast with intention and boldness to proclaim truth, equip the saints and impact our culture. Hey, I am blessed and privileged to be with Seth Gruber, the founder of the White Rose Resistance. You need to know what it's all about and you need to know what Seth has to say. I believe that he's the premier voice for the unborn child that's in America today if not the world. You can get the outlines of this podcast by going to jackhibbs.com slash podcast. Today, if this podcast lifts you up and encourages you to live a more fulfilled life in Christ, then make sure you leave us one of those five star ratings. To us, that's like saying amen or yes, then that rating will encourage others to listen. Now, open your hearts to what God's word has to say to you. Here is Jack Hibbs. And so Seth, I know this is unrehearsed. We're sitting down right now together, but just tell us about what's going on. Some of the projects that you have lined up and really what's going on with your relationship to the church with your vision with the mission? Are you getting the love? Are you giving the help? Are you being taken care of what's going on? Yeah, man. Well, for those of you guys listening, you guys, if you don't know this, you need to know this. Pastor Jack is himself an abortion survivor. And some people don't know that. Some people remember the Calvary magazine interview you did years ago. We did an Instagram reel with your team that we collaborated on together. And that reached a lot of people and a lot of people were responding saying, I didn't even know that about Pastor Jack's testimony and story. And by the way, guys, when we say abortion survivor, we don't mean like a woman who got an abortion and then got healed. Some people get confused. No, we're talking about like a baby who survived a failed abortion attempt on their life wall in utero. That's what we mean by the phrase abortion survivor. And so we've worked together on a love life California conference at this church before, Calvary Jebel Chino Hills, January 2022. And we had our friend Melissa Odin who runs the abortion survivor's network. And it's just it's so profound to be with you, Jack. Again, just thinking about the horror and trauma of having your life attacked before you've even seen the light of day, before you even felt the warmth of your mother's arms, that your life was being assaulted and attacked already. And like, and we've talked about this and you've talked about this publicly. I'm not sharing anything that you have said. And you have you had such incredible love and compassion for your mother, but like to be attacked by those who were designed to protect you before you were even born. Yeah. It's an incredibly traumatic and horrific thing to consider. And in an agent society that says, believe survivors, trust survivors, it's interesting how the culture does not have any patience for the stories of abortion survivors who are simply saying, if abortion was a woman's right issue, then where was my right? Exactly. Because most abortions survivors are women. Yeah. Strangely enough. Isn't that so? Where are their women's rights? When their mother was paying a hitman to try to kill them in utero? Yeah. And so I didn't answer your question at all, but like it's just so good to be with you again, brother. It's great. It's probably the most outspoken pro-life pastor in the country, but the fact that you survived a failed abortion attempt just provides so much credibility to your voice, brother. Well, I tell you what's amazing to Seth is the fact that my, you know, when I, I was in junior high when I found that when you heard them talking about it, yeah. But I had to mature years later to find out several things. Number one, when I became a Christian, it all began to make sense for me. Second thing is, having been a abortion survivor, that causes you to have what I believe is a little bit of more boldness toward the call, toward the mission. Because in a sense, yeah, I was already destined to death. So I've gone through that. I wasn't supposed to live. But, you know, you mentioned something about my mom and the real issue was it was my father who put her through the demand that when he came back from Alaska that she was not to be pregnant with this child. And so she was the victim. I was a victim. And then, you know, if you think about it, my dad grew up in a non-Christian worldview experience. So it just goes to show you that when God is interjected into the scenario, the healing radically takes place because the very son that was not supposed to be born wound up leading my mom and my dad to Christ. And so I'll see them later in heaven. But tell me what's going on. You've got an incredible platform. And God is using you tremendously. How, how is that being played out? Are you speaking engagement, engagement is predominantly churches? Is it the public square? Is it, tell me, what is the day in the life of Seth Gruber and the white roast resistance? Well, thanks to you, Jack, trusting a little 29-year-old whippersnapper in October of 2020 to preach on a Sunday morning. And I lost my stage fright, Pastor Jack, in about 2017 until I preached here October 2020, because I went from speaking in churches of 200, maybe 300 people to all three services while you're defying new sum in the state of California, fully open. And that was the morning that changed my life, actually, was having spoke at comeback California a month before. And then you had me at 29 years old. And then, again, 14 months ago when I launched the white roast resistance, and I haven't looked back. And so thanks to you, actually, more so than any other single individual in the country, Pastor Jack, the national response to the white roast resistance has just been such a God thing. And so it's right now, it is January 2024. I'm pretty much booked out through June. I have almost no openings whatsoever. We have three kids. We move to Kansas to be closer to the in-laws because of all the traveling. We're probably the fastest growing pro-life organization in the country right now. And what makes us a little more unique, because I'm not here to, you know, talk down other organizations. We need lots of other organizations in the movement. What makes us unique is, I think, I'm trying to put myself out of a job. You see, you see, we actually don't need another 501C3 doing the work that the blood-bought bride of Christ was called to do. And I mean, my mom was the director of a pregnancy resource center in the late 1980s when she was in her late 20s in Azusa, California, before she married my dad and had me as the first born. I grew up in the walk for life every year. I was raised in the pro-life movement. And yet I'm telling you, in your audience right now, there are too many 501C3 nonprofit pro-life organizations doing the work, filling in the gap left open by the local church. The pro-life movement did not begin in the 1970s, Jack. It began in the first century. Oh, that's right. The heritage of the church is that wherever the gospel is, pre-social transformation follows. So when we have Prop 1, abortion through point of birth, funded by the public doll in the state of California, when they're firing our friend Jessica Tapia, who worships her because she says, I'm not going to use a minor's preferred pronoun and then the light of the parents and the dude go in the women's restroom because his inner transgender legion says he's actually a woman. And then she gets fired. If these are not signs of the times of the kind of culture of death we're living in, I don't know what is. It was the church that established righteousness. It was it was the original Christian worldview that established the quote-unquote blessings of liberty. So we now wait downstream to quote my pastor Rob McCoy and we pick up human heartache that we helped create through our political apathy upstream. Less we lost our 501C3 statuses by preaching the full counsel of God and pure and undefiled religious. What we actually need is Christians learning how to be salty again. And so you look back when you read the Old Testament and you see Gideon in Judges 6, hiding out in a cave like a little pansy, Pastor Jack. And then the angel of the Lord comes to Gideon in Judges 6 and he says Mighty Man of Valor. He reminds him of his identity. Mighty Man of Valor. While he's hiding out in a cave like a little pansy because they had Bernie Sanders Democratic socialism. That's right. Right? Because the media and I were taking all the wheat that they grew fresh. You grow fresh. We'll take it. You make wheat take. That's a socialist. It's Democratic socialism Jack. That's cool. It's much better. I'm not sure how that works. I think it's if you vote your way and you have to shoot your way out or something like that. So he's hiding out in the cave, thrashing his own wheat. So he's a taxivator. That's right. Naughty, naughty, giddy. This is true. And then what in his conversation with the angel of the Lord what happens? He cooks God a meal. The angel of the Lord lights it on fire. So he freaks out. He has like a Joe Bowman. He's like, okay, I'm going to shut up now. You're God. And then the it says and that same night the it says God said walked out of the cave. Go tear down the alters the bale the high places and the ashera poles. That's right. Shop up the ashera poles and then use them to create to burn the sacrifice which is me which is pretty which is pretty awesome that God would have him go chop down both those particular types of worship icons. One of them being the how do we say it? One of them being a very tall pole that is can you believe this? This is in the Bible people where you just sound like you're conspiracy. Yeah, I know but in the Bible God says tear down those ashera poles. Those ashera poles which were fertility poles where people would gather together and the goddess of sex truly or agees to all of these various deities. And then the the pregnancy that that follows then they just went down the road to Moloch and they because it wasn't judicic so it is today sex said is their sales funnel abortion is their product and your children are their prospects you said yes I'll say that again say that sex said is their sales funnel abortion is their product and your children are their prospects so let me unpack that you got ashera goddess of sex or agees oops what happens when you do a lot of that yeah unwanted pregnancies unplanned pregnancies that's okay walk over to the other side of the camp to the bay all statues and pastor children through the fire yeah God says you go tear down those two what what are the two pagan gods of our culture today sex and child sacrifice it's both in and outside well by the way because if they make it out alive plan parenthood who's not only the largest abortion provider in the world yes yes what ready for this your audience probably never heard the statement before according to plan parenthood's own celebratory statements they are the second largest provider of cross sex hormones and puberty blockers in the land of the free in the home of the brave plan parenthood y'all let me say that again because you think I'm joking you right now plan parenthood the largest abortion provider in the world is as of 2023 last year the second largest provider of cross sex hormones and puberty blockers in the land of the free in the home of the brave it's their fastest growing revenue stream right now in January of 2024 plan parent is fastest growing revenue stream is not killing babies in the womb it's selling cross sex hormones and puberty blockers by the way creating permanent clients who will then need those drugs forever especially if they go the full out with chemical not with surgical castration and surgical intervention they will need drugs for the rest of their life that's a permanent client just like big pharma community that's the same organization plan parenthood that's exact and that's brilliant they are the largest provider of comprehensive sexuality education in America's public schools which yes is that pornographic they've got a pretty perfectly inappropriate absolutely remember when attorney general merit garland of course said after that brother and pastor Gary Hammrich's district that's right and in Loudon County Virginia by the way him and his family got saved they attend corner so in chapter now he was at that school board meeting that's right and yeah did he curse and get probably a little bit carried away yeah you want to know why audience because his daughter had been raped in a public high school bathroom in Loudon County Virginia why because the school board in Loudon County was responsible said that boys could go into the girl's bathroom if they identified as a woman inside so a dude who said he was a woman raped his father's daughter the school board covered it up because it was their own policy they transferred him to another school and he did it again to another girl so the dad who yeah got a little angry because school board members should not was raped yep and he gets a little carried away the school board meeting he gets arrested and what happened the next week attorney general of the United States of American merit garland says I'm opening up an investigation into domestic terrorism of parents speaking at school board meetings that's right but all of that kind of curriculum all the kind of ideas that are leading to school boards hiding the gender identity of minor students from their parents it's all called comprehensive sexuality education CSE and I'm going to and there's some stuff that if you're listening to this podcast right now you can go to our happening now conversational happening now in January 10th 2024 that's right and I reveal some extremely horrific shocking demonic history behind how not just playing parenthood behind not just legacy of playing parenthood but how playing parenthood created comprehensive sexuality education all the mood porn stuff in the schools sometimes it's during sex or health week sometimes it's in the school library but sometimes it's actually in the required sex and week at public high schools playing parenthood jack wins 80% 80% of the public funds for grants to go put that horrific sex that they wrote and then they go get the grants that's to go put their own curriculum into the schools yep so what am I trying to say well let me try to circle the barn here because I'm getting a little carried away that's all right ashera and bail that's right sexual liberation is political control if you sexualize a community especially the young minds of innocent children who aren't aware of what's happening to them they will eventually kill their children here's the final statement child sacrifice has always been the conclusion of sexual liberation as it was in judges six so it is today and all of that sprinkled dusted with a religious pixie dust so to speak of knowingly or unknowingly this is to pagan deities which we know as demons demonic activity its head has arisen again in america's falling headlong fort um so we're we're revealing and exposing all of you guys are our new film blown at the white reserves and speaking in churches and you know we're not to the point where we where we need to be yet jack and i'm sure you would agree where the the pulpits are ablaze with righteous this in america again and we have social transformation and godly men and women are running and getting elected and transforming school districts and and overturning laws and and restoring protections for marriage and family and children i i i i believe by god's grace if if the people of god begin to care more about truth and righteousness and what their father thinks about the biggest and their own reputation in 501c3 statuses and being invited to write op-eds in the new york times in the washington post if we walk away from the legacy that's been built by big evangelicalism i just used that phrase in a sentence not big pharma big eva big evangelicalism those who want to place at the table they care more about having their back rubbed by people at the world economic forum and the other sort of theological better that's your right for the gospel coalition who have done nothing to say preborn children to stand up against the sexualization of children and our new film the 1916 project which comes out in 2024 later this year is going to blow the top off of what i call the hidden history of the secular moral revolution the architects yeah the culture of death shoot through a few of those things just to get people fired up about it so for people listening pastor jack they're probably like well this guy's kind of weird i thought jack said he was a pro-life speaker why is he spouting off on all this other stuff why because all human conflict is ultimately theological that's right that's why you can't like carve out a lane in the culture wars and say well i'm a pro-life speaker i just want to say babies well praise god i do too yeah but you can't you can't um rip the abortion movement out of the cultural fabric of the culture wars and say i just deal with this issue this is what friends with shaffer talked about he said that like we tend to deal in in bits and pieces with ideology yeah rather than seeing the Christian manifesto yeah that's how then shall we live rather than seeing like how the whole thing all goes together right and by the way have you guys notices about the left it's not like that with them the the religion of leftism humanism secular progressiveism whatever you want to call it they seemingly have a robust religion that right enough that that speaks to all the issues of the day within their religious framework meaning meaning the lenses of leftism there's a new phrase i just coined provide more pagan clarity to the culture wars for their congregants and deacons in the church of humanism then apparently the pure and undefiled religion can provide for uh the bloodbought bride of christ to reach that same level of political and spiritual clarity according to the christian worldview what do i mean by this here's an example of this have you guys noticed how the left always sort of coalesces together absolutely anytime one of their core pagan sacraments is compromised right and the left doesn't agree about everything jack no but if it comes to trans and kids yep sexualizing them killing them in the womb parental rights undivided transgenders and men competing against women they'll they'll literally say things like there's no proof that men have a physical advantage over women it's like dude wow secular humanism really rots the brain but like anytime one of those core sacraments gets compromised what do the what do you unite the the deacons in the religion of humanism do absolutely they unite and they set aside any other sort of um you know peripheral political disagreement that unite on those core things and their religion their ideology whatever you want to call it it is robust enough for them to get in lockstep that's right but we bicker and we argue in chrysendotry and we go well that jack hibbs though i mean isn't he just a a political act it has any prostituted his great commission duties to the GOP so he can be invited to speak a republican events that jack i don't trust that jack hip it really is christianity big enough to be able to provide clarity to issues of abortion what about socialism i thought the early church didn't they share and have everything in common in that socialism and we bicker and we argue about these issues that actually the bible and our historic christian faith speak to very loudly and very clearly absolutely but we seemingly can't see that yeah right why and i'm convinced it's because we care more about our reputation that's right our 501c3 status and what the Washington post says about us then what god thinks about us i got to tell you i had an interesting revelation i should have known this but i didn't i had the honor of being at a at a meeting and uh sitting next to me um is a nationally renowned attorney uh i'm not going to mention his name because i maybe i shouldn't but he's he is the guy and um we were talking and he said because his his specialty is constitutional law yep and i didn't realize this he said that a church in the united states does not have to apply for a 501c3 that's right did you know that they are de facto and they're even dawned on me the fact are there a 501c3 de facto a church doesn't have to have a 501c3 it's already exempt based on our constitution and our founding fathers and when the irs a few years ago said that all churches need a register to be a 501c3 yeah they don't have several including one of my one of my other pastor heroes uh scott craig in um in uh south decoda um him and a bunch of other pastors get together and said you know what we're actually not even going to register for that because we don't have to because what you're saying is illegal yeah you can't require churches to register as a 501c3 it's amazing but it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's exactly here here here here that's right that's right just give us the children just give us the babies right here here just just just stay quiet no absolutely you know so listen you guys obviously this has been the fastest 25 minutes uh ever and so um yet the the time that Seth and I are bringing this uh podcast to you right now uh we recently did what we call happening now it's 90 minutes of nonstop this and that and um January 10th I believe was the yeah was the day you can look that up by going to jackhybs.com jackhybs.com it's there happening now you're going to want to see all of it in its full entirety 90 minutes but please keep him in prayer the the time that he could take to tell us the things that they have to go through the things that they have to deal with is absolutely ridiculous because I promise you this the those with other worldviews don't have to go through the hoops that uh that Seth and his teams have to go through you and I are living in a time of profound deception brothers and sisters and we need to know the truth but it's not enough to know it we've got to do it in fact it's worse to know it and not do it yeah then to know it and to just play with it or to take it as some sort of a toy yeah everything that we'll learn from God and from his word now we're responsible to do it and so that's why no area of life is off limits to the Christian and to that salt and light influence listen as always uh here at real life we believe that it's time for us to live out what we believe in it's time for real life and we're grateful Seth for you and your ministry like Abraham Kuiper right now and the that's an honor wow and the white rose resistance people find out all about it find out all about it Seth group is doing a great work get behind them and support him yeah you can go to the whiteroads.life learn all about what we're doing if you want to know why plan parenthood's founding board member was called the spiritual father of Nazi Germany and is the only American to have had a one-on-one meeting with Adolf Hitler after he goes to power yes I said that the founding board member plan parent do you want to know how that happened and more go to the happening now not even a conversation here the hidden history of the secular moral revolution the architects of the culture of death plan parenthood the largest best funded and most profitable 501c3 in American history and watch our trailer of the film that is going to reawake in the bloodbub right across in America and expose the deeds of darkness the fusions 511 it's called the 1916 project we have not publicly released the trailer yet you can only watch the trailer to the 1916 project by going and watching the happening now conversation so watching us premiere for the first time publicly on January 10th 2024 at Calvary Chapel Chino so good God bless you brother bless you love it this Jack Kibs podcast as well as all the broadcast outreach opportunities are listener supported will you consider partnering with us through a special gift go to jackhibs.com to learn more and stay connected