What Does It Mean To Be An American?

00:00 - Speaker 1 Real Life presents the Jack Hibbs Podcast with intention and boldness to proclaim truth, equip the saints and impact our culture. 00:09 - Speaker 2 Hey everybody, we're going to be jumping into what it means to be an American. Why should we care? I think if you listen in, you're going to get pumped up. I've got a special friend with me and you're going to learn a lot, so get ready, take notes here we go. Take notes here we go. 00:26 - Speaker 1 You can get the outlines of this podcast by going to jackhibbs.com/podcast today. If this podcast lifts you up and encourages you to live a more fulfilled life in Christ, then make sure you leave us one of those five-star ratings. To us that's like saying amen or yes. Then that rating will encourage others to listen. Now open your hearts to what God's Word has to say to you. Here is Jack Hibbs. 00:55 - Speaker 2 Well, hey everybody, welcome back to the Jack Hibbs Podcast, and we want to thank you first of all for just being part of the many people that are joining us and subscribing, and we're very delighted. I have to tell you guys, I have the chance to do a lot of media and we're grateful, but I don't have as much fun as I do getting together with you guys. I think it's because we can be open and just with you, as though we're sitting around a table. Today, you guys, I not only have a friend with us, but you actually have a friend at the table today, because it is the fact that he defends and stands for our constitutional rights and freedoms. 01:34 I'm talking about Rick Green. He's known as America's constitutional coach, and that's exactly what he does. He's a former Texas state representative, a national speaker, author and a radio host, and Rick co-hosts the national daily radio podcast, the Wall Builders. Of course, that's the wonderful work of Tim and David Barton that's out there. Love those guys as well. In fact, that's how I met. Rick was originally through David Barton, and then Rick. You're the founder of the Patriot Academy, an elite leadership training program specializing in the civics, with a biblical worldview approach, which I absolutely love and I want to make sure we talk about that because I think during COVID didn't that explode? 02:17 - Speaker 3 We did yeah, so we'll talk about that. 02:19 - Speaker 2 And then finally, Rick and his wife Kara. They have four grown kids, and this is old, this is two grandchildren. 02:26 - Speaker 3 Five now. Well, four on the ground, one in the oven. I count them as soon as they're in the oven. So yes, that's right. 02:32 - Speaker 2 That's awesome, Brother. It's great being with you and I just Always good to see you, brother, oh man. There's something about this man he's a winsome warrior. I like that. How about that? He's a winsome warrior. He fights the fight. I love this guy's DNA and he'll fight the fight with a smile on his face. And I can see Rick entering heaven with his armor dented and soiled and a big smile on his face. Mission complete. That's a California thing. 02:59 - Speaker 3 I mean, I'm a Texan. But Ronald Reagan? He's the one that said be a happy warrior out to take back a country and a world of freedom. You're right. See California influence it in Texas. All right yeah. 03:08 - Speaker 2 We'll take it. So where do we start with this? Tell us about what you're involved in, and I do want to hear about just the pivot that happened in our nation during the COVID time, where people began to dive. I've been. I think they felt their rights threatened. They felt the pain. Let's talk about it. 03:24 - Speaker 3 It's the whole tough times make tough men. Tough men make good times, good times make soft men. Soft men lead us back into tough times, man. 03:30 They felt the tough times. They said we've got to do something about this. We were getting tons of calls Can a governor actually shut us down? Do we have to get permission to be, though, everybody's healthy? I mean all those things that you went through. In fact, I don't know if you remember this, but it was probably late February, maybe early March. I mean it was right when all the insanity was happening of 2020. And you came on Wall Builders and you said at the time you said, Rick, this is going to separate the wheat from the chaff. I'll never forget it. And then it happened. 03:59 I mean, within the church, you had Republicans that were becoming tyrants as well. It literally separated the people that actually believe in biblical, timeless principles of liberty and those who, it was, finger to the wind, whatever's popular. So, yeah, it was a crazy time. We grew 400% that year. It just kept growing, and I think people are hungry to know truth. They want some solid ground. They're tired of these shifting sand kind of sinking, really, especially for the young people, so they're looking for truth. And the good kind of sinking, really, especially for the young people, so they're looking for truth. The good news is, we got it, man. We got the instruction manual. God gave it to us, and our founding documents are full of that truth. So we just got to bring those things back and I think people will latch onto it, including here in California. 04:34 - Speaker 2 So to this. I want to just kind of dial down on this. Tell us a little bit about the fact that we, as a people, we get to go back, as the scripture says, to those ancient foundations, those ancient pillars. Just kind of let the viewer in on as America, because so many people don't know as America. When you say go back to our founding and go back to the original intent of all things regarding the birth of this republic, tell the people what is it that we're going back to as Americans? We get to go back to something. What is that, something that makes us different? 05:15 - Speaker 3 The timing's perfect too, Jack, because the 250th is coming up. So the 250th birthday of the nation, 312 days from right now. 250th birthday of America. So what are we celebrating? The Declaration of Independence. 05:26 And right there in the heart of the Declaration is the secret sauce that made America great in the first place, and it begins with we hold these truths, so the fact that there's a foundation of truth, moral absolutes, right and wrong that we built the nation upon. And then, of course, we often talk about. We're endowed by our creator. So you know, they now tell us that you're a crazy Christian nationalist if you believe your freedom comes from God and not from government. Well, jefferson would have been that right, because he's literally saying that in the document. Exactly true, and it's what made us different. I mean, that meant you're not the source of my freedom, I'm not the source of your freedom, so you can't take my freedom away, I can't take your, certainly not. The source of our freedom, God's the source. And then he tells us right there in the declaration that to secure these rights is after life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Governments are instituted among men deriving their just powers from the consent of the government. So what's he saying the whole reason we have government is to protect the God-given rights that we have. So the biblical foundations of the country is what made us great. 06:20 Now some people get nervous when we say we want to go back to those foundations because they've been so lied to about who we are as a nation. They think when you and I say that we're actually saying we want to go back to slavery or we want to go back to something else that was not good in our history. We believe in teaching all of American history, the good, the bad and the ugly. And even when you teach the ugly, you will find that America was actually the first nation to ban the slave trade, the fourth nation to ban slavery completely. We had the shortest stint of slavery in the world and in 1776, every nation had slavery black on black, black on white, white on black, white on red, red on. 06:53 I mean, you pick the combination right. So the American story is actually amazing, even when you take the bad parts. But what the left has done in education is only teach the bad parts and actually exaggerate them, make them even worse than they actually were. And so when we say go back, we're talking about going back to the principles of liberty, self-government, church government. You know not thinking civil government is the end. All be all to everything. That's what I mean. Going back to the principles that make a nation great. 07:18 - Speaker 2 I love what you just said, in fact, going way back, I love to take our church as far back as we can in the sense of the Pilgrim Fathers. Yeah, you know, you gotta remember our Founding Fathers talked about the Founding Fathers. 07:31 - Speaker 3 That's right, that's right, that's good, our Founding. 07:33 - Speaker 2 Fathers said, oh no, no, the Founding Fathers were those aboard the Mayflower, yeah, and I mean I might be off on this, but not far off. The Mayflower Compact is basically two big paragraphs. I mean it's not much. It takes maybe a minute to read at the most. And right at the beginning they announced that we've come here to this continent to propagate the gospel of Jesus Christ. And so I remember, like you do. Barack Obama was in Cairo, egypt, and he was being interviewed and he had made the comment that the United States was never founded upon Judeo-Christian worldview values. And I thought, wow, that's pretty amazing. That's probably what he knows, he probably that's how he's been taught. 08:18 - Speaker 3 But the truth is yeah, don't forget who his mentor was Exactly, oh, exactly that Jeremiah Wright. 08:23 - Speaker 2 Exactly. And so all of this stuff where you talked about rights coming from God, truth, yeah, man. The progressive left hates that, so they've got to react like it's poison. Oh, you're going to bring back slavery and tyranny and you're going to have women barefoot pregnant in the kitchen again. They have no idea that this is the nation because they've not been taught this. This is the nation that has been the birthplace of liberty, to the extent that, even with all of America's problems of late, people are still trying to immigrate to this country. There are more I looked this up. There are more people annually who try to legally immigrate to this country. There are more I looked this up. There are more people annually who try to legally immigrate to the legally try to immigrate to the United States by application than all other nations of the earth combined annually. Wow, imagine that. 09:15 - Speaker 3 Well, and we also have more here than the second, third, fourth and fifth nations combined Immigrants, just actual immigrants. That's remarkable. Illegal or illegal, yeah, so you take the next four combined, not as much as we. So if we're so bad, jack, why does everybody want to come here? Well, not only that, if we're so bad. 09:31 - Speaker 2 Why is everybody wanting to break in here? 09:33 - Speaker 3 Think about that. 09:34 - Speaker 2 You can't break into Saudi Arabia. You can't walk into London. I was in Europe not too long ago and everything about me getting out of that airport was biometrics, and enhanced about me getting out of that airport was biometrics and hands. I just came Last week, Rick, or two weeks ago I was in Peru and to get into the country of Peru I've never seen this before Both hands on a pane of glass. A light like a copying machine went under the palms of my hands. Then I had to rub my temples and put my fingers into a bio. I forget what it was. It was some sort of bio detection system where it matched my DNA to the finger In Peru, peru, I couldn't believe it. 10:17 - Speaker 3 We went there like five years ago. I don't remember any. That's wild. I was so impressed. 10:21 - Speaker 2 And then we came back to LA from Lima, from Lima, and it's like, yeah, come on. But, it's like what in the world is going on here? 10:28 - Speaker 3 Well, you can tell by my accent. I'm a bit of a country boy and my test is simple whether or not a nation has good principles and is producing good results. Are people trying to get in? Are they trying to dig tunnels to get out? And there's a reason it's called the American dream, not the North Korean dream or the Cuban dream. I mean, we have something special that the rest of the world has always wanted, and it all goes back to that secret sauce and even the Mayflower Compact. Think about it. That was the self-government. They're saying, okay, when we get off this boat, we need to be able to govern ourselves. And so it's really just saying what's the best way to form society, what's the best way to treat your neighbors? And the Christian principle of treat your neighbor the way you want to be treated is really at the foundation of all of our laws. We just simply want to treat each other the way we want to be treated, just like the Bible teaches us to do. 11:12 - Speaker 2 And you're training people how to not only own that conversation but to propagate that. Tell us about what you do. 11:20 - Speaker 3 Yeah, and how to do it effectively. How do you learn what does the Bible say about how I need to be a good citizen and a good neighbor? But then how do I do that? Within these rule books, within this system of a constitutional republic? And so teaching people the constitution, teaching them how a legislative process works, how to go testify at the school board, all of these things are just basically living out your faith and making politics, as Charles Finney said, part of our religion in a country such as this. 11:45 Yes, because as a constitutional republic and you say this in our biblical citizenship class, that biblical citizenship is stewardship. I play that clip everywhere I go because you summed it up perfectly. That is exactly why we go testify, why we get involved. We don't want to be the wicked and slothful servant, we want to be the good and faithful servant and God's. You know. He's dropped us into a free nation. Whether we like it or not, we live in a nation where we, the people, are in charge. So we can't just say I wish the politicians would get it right and then go over here and be busy with everything. We have to say I wish they'd get it right. And you know what I have, man, we don't do the boring. You know history and government. 12:25 There's nothing boring with Rick Green ever. I slept through those classes in high school and college, because they were so boring. 12:30 You know, just memorized dates or whatever. So David Barton taught me to bring the stories to life and so, in the same way, we put people into a legislature. So when we do our youth programs around the country, we do them in state capitals. So we're on the real house flooring committees when we train pastors or military veterans or any of those things. We actually rebuilt the Texas House legislative chambers on our campus at Patriot Academy, so now we can do that every week. 12:52 - Speaker 2 So they're arguing in a real life setting. 12:55 - Speaker 3 Literally our dais. I had some Amish carpenters from Pennsylvania come in and they rebuilt the dais exactly like the one in the Texas House. And then I've got the Mayflower, I've got all the paintings from the rotunda of the US Capitol and we put those in the room so we can just point to it and say, well, here's what they were doing. It just makes it it brings it to life. 13:10 But if you even a pastor, you put a pastor in a situation like that where they're learning how to file a bill, get it out of committee, get it to the house floor, all of those things when they leave our campus now, they go back home and when it's time to talk to a legislator or it's time to recruit someone out of their church to run for the legislature, there's a whole different set of skills there that they now have. So you just multiply that. Young people, pastors, I mean I like to say it this way we're raising up the Navy SEALs of civics. 13:39 We're literally giving you the tip of the spear, the people that can be effective at this and win the day. 13:44 - Speaker 2 I love what you're saying right now because it's our experience here at this church Now. We've been here for three and a half decades now doing this and thank God for people like you although there's nobody like you but what you've taught us over the years. We've got young people now who've come through the ranks over the years and, my goodness, we've got some of them that are federal prosecutors now, some of them in the CIA, some of them in the Department of Justice under Trump's administration currently. Right now, we've got a young man who went through our homeschool process, which would have meant that they went through some of your stuff, and were really excited about this young man. I'm not going to say his name right now, but he was an Eagle Scout. He went through the US Marines and then into the Navy test pilot school and we're excited because now he's flying President Trump. 14:41 - Speaker 3 Oh wow, You're kidding me. Oh, how cool is that. Oh wow, You're kidding me. Oh, how cool is that. 14:45 - Speaker 2 Oh man, but here's a kid that grew up loving loving American history because he understood it. 14:50 - Speaker 3 He was taught it Well and because you create an environment here where people don't see that as dirty. 14:56 - Speaker 1 I can't go do that Instead. That's just part of life you get to do that you get to do that, you mentor. 15:00 - Speaker 3 In fact, tonight I'm going to talk about Psalm 78. And you guys do the opposite of Psalm 78. The Ephraimites in Psalm 78 ran from the battle even though they were armed to the teeth. You guys do the opposite. You're in the battle no matter how much you're armed or not. You're going to teach people how to live life effectively in every area the movies, our entertainment, our politics, our education. There's nothing off limits. You guys don't allow anybody to box something out of God's influence. 15:27 - Speaker 2 There's no way, and you know this. I'm not telling you anything but your stance. My stance is when Jesus said let your light so shine before men. I love that the Greek language makes this distinction let your light shine before all men. And it encompasses unbelievers. So think about that the one believer with the light is deployed into a world of unbelievers. Think about that picture. And so, when you let that light shine, Jesus went on to say that they will glorify the Lord or they will see your good works. And you say well, wait a minute. 16:09 When we go to Sacramento, newsom doesn't applaud us out his balcony, no, he doesn't. But in the day of judgment, everything that we stand for, for what is right, even if we lose, right. If we lose the battle here, we win the war. Right. If we lose the battle here, we win the war. We're us standing for righteousness. It's going to translate into victory, because the issue will be Christian, did you live to advance the light in a dark world, win or lose? Did you advance it? Yes, we advanced it. And so I gotta tell you, Rick, when and I think I speak on behalf of our congregation when we put everything we have into the fight for what this is like trying to stop a very bad bill that's dangerous to family or to the unborn child. When we fight with all of our might and if we lose, if they do whatever they do up there in Sacramento, you know what we wish we would have won. 17:04 - Speaker 3 But you did your duty, but we did our duty. Our conscience is clear and it's up to God. You know, I got a friend in Delaware and Delaware is even worse than California, brother. I mean it's like crazy land, okay, and she runs the family policy council out there. So she's constantly fighting what people would say are losing battles. 17:20 - Speaker 2 Yes. 17:21 - Speaker 3 And she taught me a long time ago. She said no, Rick, they're not losing battles. Yes, yes. And she taught me a long time ago she said no, Rick, they're not losing battles. We define victory as advancing truth, perfect. 17:28 - Speaker 2 So if we're advancing truth. 17:29 - Speaker 3 Nicole Tice is her name she's amazing and to stay in that fight like that and continue to advance truth. It's exactly what you just described. It's the same. I mean in Texas I lose battles all the time that we're pushing for certain things, but we're advancing truth every time. People that run for office and end up not winning, but they're out there knocking on doors, visiting with somebody advancing truth with every conversation. It's so important to have that mindset. It's that you know. You know the John Quincy Adams story. But his whole thing, after fighting slavery for 17 years, was duty is ours, results are God's. So if we take that into the arena, man, we can do it with a smile on our face, we with a smile on our face. 18:08 - Speaker 2 We can be happy warriors because we know this whole thing doesn't depend on me. I mean, I'm supposed to do my duty, but thank you, God, that the results are yours. Yeah Well, I love the fact that God told Israel, told David show up, sanctify yourself today, Tomorrow, you're going to go into battle, Show up, Show up and God will take over. As you said. Quincy Adams said, the results are God's. But the thing is, why do Christians think well, gosh, Rick, Jack I mean, I really don't want to mix politics with my faith, Rick tell them how wrong they are. 18:36 - Speaker 3 Well, you know, I've started saying this and, I don't know, maybe I'm being too sarcastic, but I want to live in a neighborhood where people think that murder is wrong. You know, I don't know, maybe I'm being too sarcastic, but I want to live in a neighborhood where people think that murder is wrong. I want to live in a neighborhood where stealing is not only wrong. There's not a nine hundred dollar exception to the Eighth Commandment. 18:51 - Speaker 2 Yeah, can you say that a little louder? Sacramento's about 500 miles north of us, you know. 18:55 - Speaker 3 I want to live in a neighborhood where the neighbors we're all trying to raise our children to honor their father and mother. You know, and it's back to that treating people the way you want to be treated, to not mix your politics or your faith with your politics is to basically say that you're okay with people who don't believe in those things that I just listed, calling the shots. You're okay with people being in charge of your state legislature or your local school board that actually want to groom seven and eight and nine-year-olds, that are actually okay with sexualizing these kids or creating the psychotropic drugs and the and the transgenders, that yet another mass murder at a church because of the hatred towards God and the hatred towards people of faith. You're okay with that? If you don't want to mix your politics with your faith, I think the only way to do politics is to mix your faith with. 19:40 - Speaker 2 I guarantee you, the other side is their faith is in humanism and and yeah, you hit the nail on the head, just coming down here to be with you today on the news. What was being discussed was the reason why this shooting in Minnesota at this Catholic church slash school. I understand, at least right now, this is my understanding. It could be wrong school. I understand, at least right now, this is my understanding. It could be wrong, but there was a school on the campus of a church, that's right. And this person was a transgender individual. Yet again, sad to say. Yet again. 20:13 - Speaker 3 Yeah, yet again. 20:14 - Speaker 2 Yet again, and so one report said this I believe it was a medical doctor. They said we need to stop and look at the medications that are being given to the transitioning because it could be something that is a precursor to violent activity. Okay, as a scientist, I respect where he's coming from. He didn't talk about morality. He just said we need to look at the drugs that they're using to transition because there's too many transgender people that are going off the rails with these guns and with violence. 20:46 That said, the next interview was someone saying you know why this happened? It's because transgender people do not feel welcomed. And this person just snapped under the pressure of not feeling loved. And I thought for a moment what in the world is going on? Kids are dead, right, but this person is defending the transgender community in light of this horrific event. And it's remarkable to me but when we who said this that when we forget God, when we cancel our relationship with God and there is no God in our thinking, then people die Because the value of life is so dramatically diminished and the chaos increases. 21:30 - Speaker 3 There's no right and wrong. It's actually how you end up in tyranny too, because if there is no right and wrong and everybody's doing whatever they want, we don't know what a woman is, we don't know what right and wrong is, we're allowing the crime all that. At some point, the people break and they say we need somebody to come clean this mess up and, no matter what it takes, we want to clean it, and so they're willing to start giving up their rights for government to become bigger and bigger just to keep us from killing each other, like you said, for people from from dying. Yeah, I saw where the mayor up there which actually I blame the riots of 2020 on him anyway, because he's the one that said when that first riot took place, let them burn the police people for even mentioning that the murderer is transgender, and I mean that makes about as much sense. That's insanity. 22:16 You should know why somebody you're looking for every reason. I don't care whatever about their history. You need to know to figure out why this thing happened, and it also goes back to the psychotropic drugs. Even you know you go all the way back to Columbine. I mean most all of these mass murder events. In fact I would say virtually every one. I've yet to find one where they didn't, where they proved that there weren't some sort of psychotropic drugs involved. 22:38 It is definitely messing with the brain. They're rewiring something. There's no doubt about it. It doesn't mean it happens to everybody that takes those drugs, but the increase is off the charts Absolutely. But it's also just. If there's no right and wrong, if there is no God, if there is no you know, if I'm done when I'm dead, that creates a different mindset in someone. And so that's why when God's in the equation doesn't mean you get rid of all the depravity of man. That's the other thing about our worldview and having faith influence our politics. We don't believe man's inherently good. We understand that man's inherently bad. Jeremiah 17, 9,. The heart is evil. No man can know it. So we want laws that actually, you know, suppress the bad and don't encourage the bad. The other side, because they don't believe in a God, they say just let everybody they actually think people are inherently good, let them be who you know, be who you are the whole thing about, just be you man. You don't want me to be me. 23:28 - Speaker 2 If. 23:28 - Speaker 3 I go be my depraved, wretched self. It's bad for everybody my wife, my kids, everybody. 23:33 - Speaker 2 Jesus died on the cross so I wouldn't have to be. I don't want to be me, I want to be like the me I used to be. What a difference that produces in society and the fight that I have now. It's not with this legislator or that congressman or governor, or this cult or whatever. My biggest fight is against the old Jack trying to come back every day. 23:50 - Speaker 1 Oh my goodness so. 23:53 - Speaker 2 Rick, with our nation and the condition that it's in right now, can you? I know this is kind of silly, but let's just kind of play this out. Imagine it's just us. There's no camera, there's no podcast going on. If our founding fathers were to land today at LAX, for example, and start to walk around and see what's going on, what do you think their mind would? What would they see in their minds? What would there be reacting to? 24:23 - Speaker 3 Yeah, well, let's start with Ben Franklin. I think he would say I told Ms Powell right afterwards. I said a republic, if you can keep it. Why didn't y'all keep it? Why didn't you do the things necessary? Why didn't you listen to Washington in his farewell address? Religion and morality are indispensable supports. You know, we gave you all the warnings right. We handed you this incredible system and you did pretty good with it for a few years. But honestly, we did exactly again Psalm 78, we didn't teach the rising generation, we didn't pass the torch intact. We didn't teach them what God was doing in history. I think they would figure it out really quick because they would notice that the patriotism was gone, that the lack of love of these principles was gone. You know we used to say I don't agree necessarily with what you said, but I'd fight and die for your right to speak. That because we love the principle of free speech. We'd say I don't necessarily agree with your faith or your sect of Christianity or even your faith in other religions, but-. 25:20 - Speaker 2 Or no faith at all, or no faith at all, but I'll fight and die for your right to do that. 25:24 - Speaker 3 We used to love the principles of liberty and we let the education system teach our children I can't even name another country that did this to hate their own nation. To hate their own nation, literally hate their own nation, of course. As Ron DeSantis says, hate each other and hate themselves. I mean. So the education system really is at the heart of all of that and it goes back to what you said. Our faith no longer informed our politics, so we decided we weren't going to influence what was going on in the classroom and we let the left take over. And they knew I mean, you know all this going back to the 20s. I mean they knew If we can take the education system, we can take the nation. 26:04 And it took them a long time to the way, and we're microwave you know we want it instantly, and that's why people get involved and they get excited for a little while and if they don't turn California around overnight, they give up. Are you kidding me? It's going to take time. 26:19 - Speaker 2 You're making incredible progress. Yeah, turn a big ship. 26:22 - Speaker 3 And for the nation the same way. I mean I'm shocked at how much ground we're gaining right now. Honestly, I mean I would have never dreamed we would have gained this much ground back this quickly. I was in for okay, I'm probably going to be dead and gone when the ground is, but I'm passing the torch to these kids. We're training up, but look bro, there's a lot of positive ground being taken. Now I would argue that everything, for instance, president Trump's doing is air cover. It's temporary. 26:52 - Speaker 2 We have to do this in our neighborhoods, our churches. 26:55 - Speaker 3 That's what'll end up lasting. 26:56 - Speaker 2 So, yeah, that's a good way of putting it, and I'm so glad you said that, because there are so many Christians that I think put so much on President Trump to kind of honestly, to do what they're not willing to even do themselves, where he's put his life on the line. What did he just say the other day? That if he would not have run for president, he would have been $2.5 billion richer Lives fortune sacred honor. Exactly All of that, all of that stuff. 27:32 - Speaker 3 And shot, not shot at, shot, shot at and shot. I mean, you know what, though I got to say this? This is that happy warrior thing. I mean, God's design is so amazing. If he had been president in 2020 or 2021, none of this would be happening. They radicalized him to love liberty and to love God and to love the biblical foundation. I mean, could you imagine him saying all the things that he says now if he had been getting 21, 22? I mean, it's literally the count it all joy when you experience various trials right Because of all that, there's no stopping him, man. 28:08 - Speaker 2 Listen. This is so cool because in a normal setting, any second-term president Now granted, we had this nightmare of four years in between. That said, that was the plan of God, but that also woke up our people we woke up. Let's be honest, everybody, let's back up. We thought Trump was crazy when we heard words like I'm going to drain the swamp. We're thinking what Fake news, oh my gosh. And then the guy says this and we're going like, really. And then he's right. He talks about Russian collusion being Hillary's idea, and what's her thing? 28:48 The whole company, the dossier, steele all this stuff Trump's nuts, and it turns out he was right. And then Trump says this, and it turns out he's right. And I think Bill Maher recently said why is he always right? And it's true, the guy's right. 29:03 - Speaker 3 Well, he's even turned Bill Maher on a lot of stuff. I mean, when you got like Bill Maher saying, Democrats, you're crazy. You turn Bill Maher on a lot of stuff. I mean, when you got like Bill Maher saying Democrats, you're crazy, You've got to stop doing this. I mean, of course, he's feeling the pain of his party losing is really what's driving him. 29:14 But, man, you're right, I just I couldn't admit it back in 2016,. Right, I was in 2016. I was like God, what are you doing to us? You know, and Barton guys running in the primary and God gave us Donald Trump. He said I don't know why, but he loves to confound our wisdom and use people that we wouldn't think could be used. Balaam and the donkey right that he did. My goodness, man, I have had to. I am such a Reagan guy that I named a kid Reagan. I got another kid born on Reagan's birthday and I used to have a dog named Dutch. Okay, I'm a Reagan nut. I did a Reagan documentary back 30 years ago. I mean, I love Ronald Reagan. I had to move Donald Trump in front of Ronald Reagan on my list of best presidents. That was a weird moment, man, I'm in that club. 29:59 It is remarkable and the people around him. I mean, you've got people there, we've got Patriot Academy grads. 30:03 - Speaker 2 Any one of them could be presidents, oh my goodness, it's unreal. Some have said I don't know if it's true or not you might know some have said that this is the strongest cabinet in American history. 30:11 - Speaker 3 I would say that I would agree with that Absolutely. 30:14 - Speaker 1 Look at how effective they are. 30:19 - Speaker 3 And then the fact that the brilliance of having a Democrat like Tulsi Gabbard be the one to bring out the sword, and you know, I mean literally bring out the gauntlet and throw it down and call it a treasonous conspiracy, the things that she's been uncovering. It's a masterful, I mean, it is an absolutely masterful thing. It is. 30:32 - Speaker 2 I firmly personally believe that this is the grace and the workings of God, because, as savvy as Trump is, I had a I'm not going to say a name, but there's someone that I know very well who is with him often. In the first presidency, trump was in office for four weeks and I was in DC and I asked this gentleman what's it like to be with him, and his first thing out of his mouth proved to be prophetic. He said what I've learned in four weeks is never play poker with Donald Trump. 31:03 - Speaker 3 You're going to lose, no kidding, look at that Okay. 31:05 - Speaker 2 So now the cool thing. So he had his first term, then there was this nightmare. And then the second term where somebody might say, well, you know, he's a lame duck. That's impossible. It's impossible because the way that God set it up, even if Trump would have been back to back eight years, elected that way, people might have labeled him as a lame duck. 31:28 But those four years of Biden, like you said it earlier, so amped up Trump fighting for his own freedom, fighting for our freedom, and he never stopped. In those four years of Biden, trump never stopped working the phones and internationally working the global leaders. He was always still speaking to them and he remember he was saying, when I get back in, he was telling them, always still speaking to them. And remember he was saying, when I get back in, he was telling them when I get back in, remember, I'm going to get back in. And he kind of put them on notice, I'm coming back. And then he's back by the grace of God. 32:00 And so now, if you think about it, Rick, as strong as the Republican bench is, as strong as the Republican bench is, if Trump lives his term out or if he were to die today when he's out of the office, tell me in the world who's a global leader, who holds the command of the world's attention as a leader? Will it be parliament in England? Is it Moscow? Is it Putin? No, think about it. Trump is the undisputed global leader of the world right now, and you can just see what his success has been with NATO and others. But to me that's both great and scary at the same time. 32:46 But we are watching someone who will never see this again. 32:51 - Speaker 3 Not in our lifetime for sure. And the difference in even you watch him and you listen to things he's saying and in the first term, you could tell that his legacy was at the top of his list, how he was viewed. And then, during that four years of just hell on earth that the world had to go through that interview with I don't remember who it was, if it was Hannity or so I can't remember who it was, but he's in this interview and no, it's Tucker. It was when he was being interviewed by Tucker Carlson and he said these people hate America. 33:23 And you could see the resignation in his eyes Because remember how he didn't go after Hillary? And it was lock her up, lock her up 2016. And in his eyes Because remember how he didn't go after Hillary? And it was lock her up, lock her up in 2016. And then in 2017, when he got sworn in there in the rotunda, he bragged on Bill and Hillary. He said nice, tried to make peace and didn't go after him. I think he really believed that all of the sniping at each other was just the campaign and everybody really does love. 33:42 - Speaker 1 America and once the campaign's over. 33:43 - Speaker 3 Yeah we are going to pull together for the country, right. And then he found out no, these people really want to sink this ship. And so I think that resignation and realizing that made him no longer care so much about the legacy. I really have to save the country, I really have to save America and, by so doing, save freedom for people all over the planet. And you see it in his actions. Even when he was I think it was right after the meeting with Putin, he said something to the effect of Hannity, or to Hannity. He said something to the effect of it's not about me, it's not about whether or not I can bring peace, this is about saving millions of lives. He didn't used to say stuff like that. Right, there's just and I'm not saying I don't know what his faith journey is- I don't know how much that moment. 34:22 I think he's on it. I hope I think he is too. I think the hole in his ear and the blood coming out of his ear I was at some event and everybody's you know get on TV. I'm watching that clip. I pull that clip out Instantly. I thought bulletproof. George Washington, 23 years old. Battle of Monongahela up in Pennsylvania. Multiple shots, multiple horses shot out, bullets in the jacket, bullets, fragments in his hair. And then he writes a letter to his brother the next day and says bullets. And then he writes a letter to his brother the next day and says bullets were flying past my ear and it sounded like music. He loved it. He loved it. And Trump got up. 34:53 - Speaker 2 I mean the war horse right, that's a war horse that only God can infuse that into you. Those are moments In fact, you know this that a lot of Democrats said in that moment he's going to be president, yeah, it's over, remember that. 35:13 - Speaker 3 It's over, it's over, it's over. Wow, yeah, and only God. I'm on a lot of shows with a lot of different people of all kinds of Christian faith, right, and sometimes it's people that are I'm a pretty charismatic guy, but even more charismatic than me, that's the only way I know what I'm saying, right. 35:23 And a lot of times there's prophecies and that sort of thing, right, and I'm always I'm a little bit skeptical, I'm just always like, okay, God, I want to know it's you Right. And so when people would say you know Trump's anointed, trump's anointed, I never would echo that. 35:35 - Speaker 1 I would always be like. 35:36 - Speaker 3 I just don't know if I can so agree when that happened and he got up and then I started learning more about the, where the slide normally is and where he head turning. I'm like okay, God, he's anointed. I mean, only you could have made that happen. 35:52 - Speaker 2 No one. You would have to be an absolute atheist on steroids to say you know that was just good luck, just luck Luck. 35:59 - Speaker 3 Yeah. 36:00 - Speaker 2 No, no, it's just. Yeah, I don't buy that. I mean, even if somebody said, okay, here's the deal, I really want to be president, I think it's going to take an attempt on my life. So can you lay down in that barn and just graze my ear right about here, yeah take out a few. Come on, it's just amazing. But that moment I don't know if I told you this or not, but that happened on a Saturday, if I remember right. 36:28 - Speaker 3 By the way, only about 30 minutes from where the Washington Battle of the Monongahela happened. So Butler Pennsylvania is right out there. 36:34 - Speaker 2 I didn't know this. No one's ever said this, yeah really close to where Washington's battle. 36:37 - Speaker 3 Does Trump know this? I don't know, I don't know. It's right there, yeah, outside of Pittsburgh. 36:45 - Speaker 2 Sorry, I think wasn't it a Saturday. 36:48 - Speaker 3 I think it was yeah and so. 36:50 - Speaker 2 I came home from church on Sunday. So Saturday Trump is shot. I come home from church on Sunday and my phone rings and it's one of Trump's advisors and they said I'm going to give you Trump's cell number. 37:09 Oh wow, I'm asking you to call him right now and I want you, I want you to pray for him. And I said, hang on a second, you're going to give me Trump's number and and he's going to pick up the phone. Yeah, come on. And he said and listen, he said he's going to answer, he will answer the phone. He said he's going to answer, wow, he will answer the phone. I said okay. 37:29 So I called on Monday morning, so it was about 6 am Pacific time, so 9 am Eastern time. I dial the number and the phone. I hear this hello and all you could hear people talking. It sounded like he was at like a ballroom event or something, just lots of noise, all this kind of stuff. And he was hello. 37:55 And I said, mr President, and he said yes. I said you don't know who I am. We've met before. That's not the point. But I was given your number to pray for you. Can I pray for you? Yes, of course. Wow, I pray for him. 38:09 And in the prayer I say Lord, the next time, america, the next time the world sees Donald Trump on his knees, may it be before your throne and glory and bowing the knee to Jesus as Lord, because the world has seen him on his knees having been shot. So Lord please. And I said amen, he said amen, I'm in a meeting, let's talk again. Wow, and the only thing since that time has been text. Yeah, but the point is this it immediately had hit me that famous picture where he's on his knees, he's between the legs of that secret service agent, the blood's coming down. And you know what a moment where an American president because you know Putin saw that all the world leaders saw that they're watching that. How's he going to handle this? And I would have normally been critical of him standing up and saying fight, fight, fight. I wasn't, instantly, I wasn't. There was this move that we all experienced internally, where that's an American. 39:17 - Speaker 3 Yeah, that is an American, amen. That's what got Elon Musk involved. Remember he said when I saw that I knew that's a guy that's going to get things done. That's right. And even that going our our discussion about bringing back the principles. 39:32 If you notice the libertarians and some of the leftists, I mean you know Joe Rogan and Elon Musk both called themselves leftists three years ago, um, but they have. I think they have seen enough of the pain and the libertarian wing has kind of seen the everybody do whatever feels good, turn into we don't know what a woman is and total chaos. And they're starting to come over and say you know what there's good? I mean even Rogan's phrase. What was it? He said I'd rather have Jesus in the Big Bang or I choose Jesus instead of the Big Bang. So he's on a spiritual journey. You know my friend Adam Curry I don't know if you know Adam or not, he's the podfathernamed me that and anyway he's a baby Christian. You know, three years into his faith and just incredible, he says I'm a Jesus freak now. And so he's been on Rogan like four times. So he went on in February and he handed him the Founder's Bible because he'd just gone through our class Biblical. 40:18 - Speaker 2 Citizenship. 40:23 - Speaker 3 Please get the Founder's Bible. Folks Get it. Oh, it's so good. And then he told him about the Monument to the Forefathers that you know Kirk Cameron found, and we did that in our Biblicic class, and so, anyway, apparently he's, you know, going to church in a place in Austin. So I just bring that as an example to say those are big names. Now, elon he calls himself a cultural Christian, so he's more of a Franklin that just says hey, you Christians make good citizens. I'd like to see more of you, joe. I think he could really be. I think the Lord is really luring him in, let's just put it that way. But those are big names. That's happening all over the country. Millions of people, I mean. You know, the harvest is plenty, the workers are few. The revival that's already here is amazing and that's eventually going to impact the politics of the country if we disciple. But we've got to disciple. 41:09 - Speaker 2 We can't just get them to walk the aisle, and that's what you're doing. 41:11 - Speaker 3 You've got to disciple them. 41:12 - Speaker 2 That's what you're doing, and I love the fact that you do not see a separation of church and state. Kind of riff on that for a bit. I call it CNN revisionism, where, hey, knock yourself out on your faith, just keep it in the four walls of your church. But we're over here in the real world, where things happen and God says no. 41:32 - Speaker 3 No, and not only God the founding father said no, I mean even Jefferson didn't mean what people think he meant by wall of separation, church or state. If he did, he violated it the next day when he went to church at the Capitol on federal property. 41:44 - Speaker 2 And that's not Rick's opinion. Not Rick's opinion, I mean, he just spurted that out and you might be saying, oh, that's Rick's opinion. Wait a minute, isn't it Jefferson? Like you said a moment ago, wasn't the first real mega church? Right there in the Capitol In the US Capitol while Jefferson was president, if I remember right. 41:59 - Speaker 3 No, you're right, You're right, and he had helped start it because he was vice president whenever under Adams and so he's president of the Senate and so he had to sign off on them starting to hold the church services there. 42:09 - Speaker 2 Didn't he call for the Marine Corps ban? 42:10 - Speaker 3 Yes, yes, exactly, exactly. And the guy that he went to hear speak was his friend John Leland, who was a preacher from Virginia, and he said Christianity is the best religion. So I need to give it sanction from the president of the United States, because we want more people to live like this. So, anyway, that's Jefferson himself. But even just think about it, even if Jefferson did want quote unquote separation of church and state you Christians shouldn't be involved in politics, which is not what he wanted at all. 42:34 He didn't believe that at all. But even if all the lies are true, just think logically about this. As a Christian, nobody drives away from one of your sermons on being a good husband and a good father or a good mother and a good wife, and on the way home say man Jack was on fire. That was a good sermon. 42:52 - Speaker 2 Wish we could use it at home. 42:53 - Speaker 3 But you know separation of home and church, there you go no way. Why you don't say a good sermon on how to be a good employee or a good employer, a good worker. You don't drive away and say, man, I wish I could use that tomorrow at work. But why in the world do we separate anything from church? God's supposed to influence everything in our life and be God over everything in our life, but the left is crafty man, satan's crafty. I mean that was a lie that allowed us to really neuter most of the church in America. 43:34 I mean we are in the minority within the, you know, not just evangelical but the overall church in America, with actually believing that our faith should influence even our politics. That's got to change, man, and it is changing. We're starting to win people over, but anyway, that's my take on separation of church and state. 43:39 - Speaker 2 Well, I have to say this I wasn't planning on saying this, but because of you and David Barton, what you guys have poured into my life over the years, I have to tell you what happened this week. So this week I wound up given a four hour deposition Wow Regarding a case, and I was a witness, and so the defense attorney I was on the plaintiff's side. So the defense attorney from this pharmaceutical corporation said to me I've reviewed your social media, I've reviewed your history. Is it true that you teach your people to get involved in politics? And I said yes, but it's greater than that. What do you mean? Greater than that? I said it's not that, it's just politics. I said the Christian is to be involved in everything. And he said well, aren't you aware of the separation of church and state? And I said because this guy's a big deal, this attorney I mean I don't know him, but I'm not going to mention the name of the corporation that hires him. He can't be a fly-by-night attorney, he's got to be a big deal. And I said I actually think you know that the First Amendment says this. And he said yes, you are correct. 45:05 He said have you ever committed a felony? And I said no, I haven't. And he goes are you sure I'm going to ask you again have you ever committed a felony? And I want to remind you you're under oath and I'm thinking what is this guy talking about? And I said no. And he said did you not, on such and such a date, say that what I'm about to do is against the law? But I'm encouraging everyone to be pro-life and to vote for Steve Garvey for Senator running against Adam Schiff in California. And in fact, did you not walk out in front of the podium acknowledging that it's against the law from behind this podium to do that? So you stepped in front of the podium. He was exactly right. And I said yes, I did. And he said isn't that committing a felony? And I said well, I said to be honest with you, I've been doing that ever since I got hooked up with a bunch of guys called the Black Robe Regiment and I said we deliberately do that every year to challenge the Johnson Amendment. 46:11 - Speaker 1 And you know what he did. This is what he did. 46:13 - Speaker 2 He went like this he goes. He smiled, he was from Houston. He smiled and he just gave a nod. It was the most I could tell he approved. 46:25 - Speaker 3 But it was weird what he was leading on and I thought that was your influence and Barton's influence in my life and of course, as you know, the IRS has now settled that deal, so you guys can absolutely do that. And it's so funny. I thought much the same way. Rick, you need to call Rick Green and David Barton. You probably felt the same way when he asked it. You're like I am so loaded for bear on this. 46:46 You're like please ask me this question. And I was doing an interview, oh I don't know, two weeks ago with some hostile media, let's just say, and they started asking those types of questions and I mean I literally I was like hold my beer or hold my sparkling water, or whatever. I was like it was just I think God's prepared us for this, bro. We've been doing this, you know you, david, tony Perkins I mean all these guys for 25 years. 47:11 - Speaker 2 We've been prepared for this battle, right now Can you feel it, don't you feel it, don't you know it. 47:16 - Speaker 3 And that's like with the 250. It's like he literally brought all this together so that in this moment and I don't know if you've noticed how much President Trump in the White House the stuff on the 250th is all faith-based, completely. They've asked for every faith story we can possibly give them. I mean, they're willing to highlight everything, all the good stuff. 47:34 - Speaker 2 I'm super happy to be. I'm going to be on the 4th I think it's the 4th of July but I'm at Plymouth at the Mayflower on that day giving a message oh, that's great and all of this stuff that's been. I don't even know who's setting this stuff up, but across the nation. I mean 2026, it's going to be amazing. 47:55 - Speaker 3 We're asking for we've got a new course out called Rebuilding Liberty, and it uses a little bit of the stuff we did with you in biblical citizenship, and other folks too. But we're shooting for 5,000 celebrations all over the country. So that's one-fourth of the communities in America. We're not even trying to get all of them and literally in the celebration on July 4th, to get up and read the Declaration of Independence. 48:17 Read those words we're endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights you know, and then have a big blown-up one where you have everybody come forward and sign it. That's what we do at all our trainings we have people sign the Declaration of. 48:25 Independence. So I think it's going to be huge. The president, the white house, is helping a lot. There's all these organizations we're hoping to partner with, a hundred different organizations, all the family policy councils, all the groups out there like that, to use this four week course, because it's not enough to have fireworks that are going to, that's right. It's not enough to just have hot dogs. We need, between now and then, that when I say the only reason, I know it's, you know, a little over 300 days, I'm counting it down because that's our window to educate Americans on why they're waving the flag on. 48:53 July 4th, right, so you're going to be in a. That's going to be a great place to do it. I wish I don't have enough pull. Maybe you do. I would love to be at the White House for the UFC fights. That's what I was hoping for, but no, we're going to at the campus of. 49:03 - Speaker 1 Patriot. 49:04 - Speaker 3 Academy. We're building Independence Hall, so we're rebuilding, we're going to do a replica and I'm hoping I'm cutting the ribbon on July 4th. But anyway, the beauty is every community in America is going to be doing something. So everybody out there watching whatever's going on in your community, get involved in those things so you can influence what's going to be said that day and the types of things they're going to do. 49:22 - Speaker 2 That's a good word. What if somebody watching right now they're not sure if their community is planning anything? Should they go to the city council meeting and ask yes 100%, and I hate to be a self-promoter here but go to patriotacademycom sign up for the Rebuild Liberty class. 49:37 - Speaker 3 I've got a book coming out in just about a month called A Blueprint for Rebuilding Liberty, just in Time for America's 250th, and it'll walk you through how to do that. How do you get plugged in with right groups in your community to be a part of the celebration? When's the book coming out? About a month, hopefully. Constitution Day. 49:51 - Speaker 2 September 17th. Is it available pre-sale right now? 49:54 - Speaker 3 It's not. If I send you to my, if you go there now, I'm going to be in trouble with my team, but you can Wait. Yes, okay, fine, but what's the name of the book? Rebuilding Liberty, a Blueprint for Rebuilding Liberty. 50:06 - Speaker 2 A Blueprint for Rebuilding liberty. 50:08 - Speaker 3 Just in time for America's 250th. 50:10 - Speaker 2 It's not on pre-order yet. 50:12 - Speaker 3 Right. 50:12 - Speaker 2 Is it? When will it hit the shelves? 50:15 - Speaker 3 The best thing to do is go to patriotacademycom and sign up for the email list, and then you'll get a notice when it's ready. 50:20 - Speaker 2 Please do that yeah. 50:21 - Speaker 3 Everybody. And it's a lot more than just doing the celebrations. It's getting the Ten Commandments in your local school or at your local courthouse. It's getting in God we trust on the diocese. It's restoring parental rights. It's restoring property rights. I'm not kidding when I say it's a 12-step recovery program for the country. But you don't have to do all 12, like you do your personal 12-step you just got to pick one or two. 50:41 But everybody can do something. That's the thing you got to give people action right now in this window. If we do this right Jack window, if we do this right Jack, we can actually rebuild the walls. I told David the other day I said, man, I've been with you 25 years. I thought we were rebuilding the walls. We haven't been. We've been stuck in chapter two of Nehemiah convincing the king to let us rebuild. 50:59 But now the king, we, the people, has said go rebuild, and so now we get to put the right bricks in place, the right mortar. It's all there, man. That's what I mean when I say he's prepared us for this moment, all the stuff you've been teaching all these years now is the time for literally the apex of this part of being a good biblical citizen. 51:19 - Speaker 2 Rick, will you promise? 51:19 - Speaker 3 to come back when the book is out, please. Oh, I'd love to. Yeah, yeah, man, absolutely. 51:20 - Speaker 2 Let's get that book out there. Let's get it to be a bestseller. We're going to also make sure that we make it, uh, an item of the month on our various platforms. 51:31 - Speaker 3 And yeah we'll get. 51:32 - Speaker 2 We'll get that out. 51:33 - Speaker 3 It'll give people things to do, even if they don't kick in until, say, january. But start now, cause you know, another thing you people can do is constitution day. Every school is supposed to do something on the constitution. It's federal law. If they take any federal money, they're supposed to study the constitution that day. Well, we have a little 45 minute class on the constitution that you can, it's free, take it into the school and say to the teacher or the principal if you haven't had time to put anything together, this is federal law, you're supposed to do it and get them to do that class. And it's going to be teaching them the declaration and we hold these truths and all that. And that's PatriotAcademycom too. 52:03 - Speaker 2 Please take advantage of this, everybody. I didn't know that. So whatever Hamlet, town, village or city you're in school districts, pull that off. This is a great, great way to end this podcast, where you've got marching orders now, and so where can people watch you? Where can people hear you? The YouTube, where, what? Facebook, what? 52:26 - Speaker 3 If you go to patriotacademycom you can link right into Patriot U. That's our very small streaming channel, but it's where you get. I do a show called the Tavern because I love all the Revolutionary. 52:34 - Speaker 1 War taverns. 52:35 - Speaker 2 That's right. 52:36 - Speaker 3 It's a restaurant, it's not a bar. Just for all my friends that are worried. Hey some of the greatest battle plans were planned in taverns. Oh man, the Constitution was ratified in a ta once a week, called the Tavern, which is kind of like this, and I like what you said. I think people enjoy this. This is more fun than any media that we do, because we just get to go, man, we just get to have a real conversation. 52:56 It feels like y'all are with us. Anyway, that's how the Tavern is, and then I do Wall Builders Radio every day of the week, so all that you can find atacademycom Rick Green. 53:04 - Speaker 2 I love this guy, by God's grace we're welded hip and heart, and I just love that. So we've got a lot to do. We've got our nation's 250th birthday coming up, but we need to fight even now. With all that's going on in our communities, we need to stand strong, and so we'll have Rick back and, once again, the book is going to be in about a month. 53:30 - Speaker 3 Yeah, it'll be right after Constitution Day. We're so close, we're doing the final edits and hopefully it'll be maybe by Constitution Day, september, september, by the end of September, for sure. 53:38 - Speaker 2 By the end of September. For sure We'll make sure we're going to be reminding you guys, but, Rick, it's just always great to have you. 53:45 - Speaker 3 We just don't have you. I'll watch Hills with you anytime, brother. Did you guys ever? 53:48 - Speaker 2 make it to all the baseball stadiums. 53:49 - Speaker 3 I got two left, brother, I got two left. 53:51 - Speaker 2 Which ones are left. I got. 53:52 - Speaker 3 Minnesota and Milwaukee. Those are the two I haven't done yet. Incredible. 53:55 - Speaker 2 Awesome, awesome. God bless you, guys. 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