The Trojan Horse Has Arrived

0:00 Okay, so the plan was this, to have you come out and to speak, because I had a commitment, maybe we can talk about it later, a clandestine commitment that I had to be at. You were so graciously hospitable to say yes to my invitation to come and speak in our pulpit. You did that, and you have blown up. on the internet regarding the things that you were saying. And I thought we'd take the time right now for us to just talk about that and a whole lot more if you're okay with that. I'm okay. I'll tell you something though, Jack. When you say you want me to come to take your pulpit, I jump.

0:42 But when you say, I want you to go political, I really run the other way. I am not political. I'm a pacifist. We're brethren in Christ. This is true. That's right. And so when you said you want me to go political, I said, I've run away from politics because I'm a theologian. I'm a historian. Yeah, yeah. And yet Matthew then said, no, he really wants you to do politics and he really wants you to confront these politicians, these Muslim politicians. There you go. That's the motive. And so that's what, and so I said, okay, I'll do it. But there's, you're not, you're going to have a lot of back, huge, enormous bout of people who are going to confront this. Yeah. So that's exactly what's happened, I think, in the last week, because we're now a week later. Well, let me ask you this.

1:23 And I totally forgot about the brethren. I got it. That makes sense. Yeah. But now, since you've delivered that message and since I think it hit a million within a few days, viewers, and increasing, put in the numbers aside, how do you think it went? It was a little bit outside your comfort zone, but you delivered this, in my opinion, a perfect message. You hit the ball out of the park. How do you think it went? Yes. Well, obviously, there's a reaction. I knew there would be a reaction. I think it went fine because this is something that we need now.

2:05 No one really has said what we said, what I said last Wednesday. Exactly. And it has to be said because we need to wake up here in America. I saw this same pattern happen in Britain. I was there for 25 years. And we've seen the same thing happening in Europe. Now it's coming to America. And what people don't realize is the pattern that Islam is using in the United States is is the same pattern that their prophet muhammad used and it's it's it's called the three stages of dahwa so it's well known if you're in radical circles and i work with radical muslims sheikh umar bakri muhammad was my uh was my friend in in london and he was the one that was thrown out of syria he came to britain and at britain as it is welcomed him with open arms he tried to overthrow the government in syria to begin with to create an islamic state there and They gave him a place to stay.

2:58 They gave him a car. They pretty much put him a stipend for it to live on. And so he started an Islamic court, an Islamic school there in Tottenham in northern London. And I got to see him because every time when I was on university campuses engaging with the Muslim students, which I did, I would go to these Islamic societies and there may be 20 or 30 students. When he came on campus, it would jump to 200 to 300. I said, this guy has substance. So I started following him. And what I found he did, everywhere he went, no matter what he said, he always housed it in Scripture. Scripture meaning the Quran. The Quran. He always supported whatever he said in scripture, and he always looked at Muhammad's example to show how it's to be done in Britain.

3:43 Well, no wonder he was so popular, because we understand that as Christians more so than anybody else. Because that's what you do when you get up on a pulpit. You have the Bible there, you read from scripture, and you quote what's there, and then you apply it to our lives today. Yeah. So if we understand that, we can see just how powerful people like this are. The West of the world does not understand that. They're confused by these injunctions. But see, when I saw him doing that, I went up to meet him and I wanted to get to know him. So he invited me to his school. And after a few months, and I went to his school in Tottenham, and this is how he introduced me to his students. He said, this is my favorite Christian, but this will be the first man I kill when Islam comes to London.

4:24 Of course. Comes to Britain. Now, it didn't bother me. Which is a real honor, Jay. What's that? That's a real honor. It is an honor. And I saw that this guy was being absolutely honest. And that's why I like guys like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because they are like us. They're very similar to us. Yeah. They like scripture. We like scripture. They follow a model. We follow a model. Yeah. So we know exactly where they're going to go with this. And he used to say, and I would follow him as he went to the different institutions. He would say, when you look at Muhammad's life, there are three stages to Muhammad's life. There is the Meccan stage where he was a minority. He did not have any control. He was not part of the political structure. And all he did is what we call the pen stage or the tongue stage. I mean, she just wrote things. She just received.

5:05 Well, he didn't write anything, actually. He was his secretary, Zaid Ibn Thabit. But he then received it and then he would recite it. from the angel Gabriel. And that's all he did. If you look at the Quran and you just divide it in half, the second part of the Quran is the Meccan material that he received from 610 to 622. So that's the pen stage, no authority, you're a minority, you are abused by the majority. And then he moved to Medina in 622. Once he moved to Medina, invited by the Ansar there to arbitrate between the Ansar and the Jews who control all the commerce, For the next two years, he then started imposing the what we call the scale. So this is the laws and institutions.

5:45 Yeah, wow. And this is known as, well, he started imposing what he called the Constitution of Medina. And he was the arbiter between man and God. No Jew would sign it, like you would not sign it. Exactly. I wouldn't sign it. Nobody can be my arbiter, but God himself. So they refused to sign it, and yet he was now imposing it on them. As a guest from Mecca, he was there in Medina, and that was the next two years from 622 to 624. So what Sheikh Mubakri would say is, we're in Britain right now. Let's just say we are in what he calls Dal Arharap. Which means house of war. House of war. But we come from Dar al-Islam. Yeah. So when you leave Dar al-Islam and come to Dar al-Arhab, you are a minority. In the war. You're in a context of war.

6:26 In a context of war, you say whatever they want you to say. And this is true in universal Islam globally, right? Absolutely. Every Muslim is taught this. They're all taught. Well, no. All the Orthodox Muslims are taught this. All Orthodox Muslims? Nominal Muslims don't know dili swat about this. Seriously? That's why you have to go to those who are in charge. You have to go to the opinion leaders. You have to go to those like Yasir Qadhi, who was here in Dallas at the Epic City. He's the one that created the Epic City. I was just there two weeks ago. He is the one that unpacks it for the United States. I went to Sheikh Omar Bakri to unpack it for Britain way back in the 1990s. When you go to Dar al-Harv, Jack, you are a minority.

7:06 You know your minority. So therefore, what you do, you align yourself with whoever is... going to be in power. So what the Muslims are doing now here in the United States, people like Mamdani and Saeed out of Dearborn and Rashid Tlaib out of Detroit, and also Ilham Omar. Those four, let's look at those four. They are in what they call Dar al-Haab. When they are in Dar al-Haab, they can pretty much say whatever you want to hear. So they're very much on the left. They're very much pro-socialism. They're saying they are pro-LGBT, they are pro-abortion. No Muslim would be those two. No, but I'm assuming, sorry to interrupt, but I'm assuming, right, when they are in the state of war by immigration into the United States, as our example where we're at, that they will leverage homosexuality.

7:57 They will leverage abortion or marriage, divorce, whatever, to help, what, tear apart the fabric, to use it as a part of the art of war, to bring in instability, even though they don't believe it. They don't believe it. When you're at war, CIA, whatever, Musaad, whoever, you will say and do anything. Okay, be careful here. With these four, I'm not sure they even know what we've just said. They really do believe in socialism. They really, especially Mamdani, he's grown up, his father was an academic. He was very much on the left, so he's been spoon-fed left ideology.

8:38 He is a Muslim. But Yasir Qadhi explains. Wow. Yasir Qadhi says, we loved it when Mamdani won. This was a game changer, he said. Why? Because we use him because he brings the Muslim vote. True. So therefore, even though he... And he did. Even though he supports a LGB agenda, he supports the whole thing with abortion, which we as Muslims do not agree with. Yeah. We need the Democratic Party. We need them. Wait, the Democratic Party? Because it's what? Can I say this? Is this too mean to say? Because the position of the Democrat Party's... This is what I say. We need them as useful idiots.

9:18 I was going to say that's exactly what I was going to say. That's what we call it. This is using useful idiots because they have no idea how to rule. They have no idea who God is. They're all as secular as you could get. Therefore, we can come in as accomplices and we will support their agenda. 5%, then we get to 25%. Once we get to 51%, then we'll say, goodbye. We don't need you anymore. Thank you. And pretty much this is what happened in Iran. Look what happened in Iran when Ayatollah came in 1979 from Paris. He was invited by the secular president at that time. With, by the way, I learned recently with a lot of help behind the scenes by the British government.

10:01 The British government, but who are the ones who took over our embassy and paraded all of the American officials blindfolded? Those were all leftist students. Wow. They are all students on the left. 444 days. They were all exactly who the Mamdani's and the Saeeds and Ilham Omar's and the Rashid Tlaibs were. They were the ones clapping and clapping and saying, now we're going to get rid of this conservatism. We want the left to, we want the left. They thought that they were bringing the left agenda. What they didn't realize is that Ayatollah Khomeini had a completely different agenda. So when he came within a few months to introduce the IRGC, the Islamic Republican Guard, what was that guard for?

10:41 To bring in the Mahdi. And this is something people don't understand. Shia Islam is completely different than Sunni Islam. They have completely different agendas. Sunni Islam is not interested in destroying Israel. Look and show me. Show me any country in the Sunni world who wants to destroy Israel and have nuclear weapons to do so. What would be some of the more predominant Sunni? Well, look at MBS. Probably the most predominant is MBS himself, Mohammed bin Salman, the Saudi prince. Who is realizing, and as every Sunni, especially in the Middle East, they're realizing that everybody's moving away from oil. If you're moving away from oil, you've got to diversify.

11:22 That's right. That's why he's created the NOAM project. He's created now. He now has brought the four largest international sports. He controls them now with LAV's golf and professional boxing. Grand Prix. Grand Prix, the Formula One. And now he is trying to control world soccer. with people like Cristiano Ronaldo and Neymar, huge salaries so that they can control these areas of entertainment. He is now instituting four large universities, two in Riyadh, one in Jeddah, one is gonna be in Aqaba. That's what means you're gonna have to bring in an awful lot of Westerners. You're gonna have to bring an awful lot of researchers.

12:02 You're gonna have to bring an awful lot of academics and sportsmen. If in order to do that, you're gonna have to change some of the laws and institutions that exist in Saudi Arabia. So what he said, if you look back about four years ago, he was asked this very question. How can you bring all these Westerners in here with all these rules and regulations that stymie them? You can't drink, you can't drive, and all the rest. He said, our Constitution is the Qur'an. And anything that stands against the Quran, we throw out. In that one statement, he threw out 80% of all the traditions. Because you go to the traditions to know how to walk, talk, eat, drink, and sleep. You don't go to the Quran. The Quran says very little about how you're to act. It's all in the sirah, the tafsir, the takhriq, and the hadith. Those four genres.

12:43 And he threw that almost 80%. Now, most of the world didn't look at it, but the Muslim world did. And I was sitting there watching all these people who were throwing, pulling their hair. He says, what has he done? He's destroying Islam. And see, because for him, he wants to, basically, he wants Saudi Arabia to come into the West. That's why the Abrahamic Accords. He also knows he's running out of oil. That's it. And that's why the Abrahamic Accords are a genius by Kushner. Because in order to do that, in order to diversify, in order to grant your own future, you need to have an awful lot of financial investment. Yeah. Once you run out of oil, who's going to continue subsidizing all of this material and all these people and institutions?

13:24 You've got to go to the West. How? And who are the people that have the biggest pockets in the West? Yeah. Yeah. God bless the Jews. They have been. It's true. It's true. Whether you like it or not, you may hate that idea. They work hard and they're not dumb. God has blessed them. And you can see, look at them. They are the ones that control our, the Hollywood industry here. They're the ones that control many of our banks. They control much of our academic institutions. Because they are so successful, you've got to go to them. How do you get to them? You have to go through Israel. Yeah, so true. You've got to have Israel. That's why the Abrahamic accords were brilliant. Wow. Now can you see why the Sunnis do not want Iran? Yeah. Because not only do they have a theological difficulty with them, for 1,400 years they've been at each other's throats.

14:08 True. But they realize that their whole future is tied up in Israel. And Iran wants to destroy Israel. Using the Hezbollah, the Hamas, and the Houthis. Yeah. The three H's. But Hamas is not Shiite. Hamas is actually Sunni. Wow. See, because the moment of thinking this through, you've got to look at this divide. Now, let's back up and say, what are we talking about? See, the Shiites have a special, they have an apocalyptic vision that the Sunnis don't have. The Shias believe in the 12 imams. You've heard of this. And starting with Ali, Hussein coming on down, all the way down to Al-Hassan, who is the 11th. in 874 he dies now whenever you die your son takes over because it it has to for the shiites the mantle of the prophet has to come in the line of the prophet has to come from father to the son father to the son all the way down to the 11th he dies in 874 his son is only four years old he was born in 870 and he is the uh he is the mahdi known as the mahdi because he goes into occultation allah comes and puts him to sleep And he stays asleep until now.

15:14 Where is he asleep? Exactly. You would like to know, wouldn't you? I'd like to know, wouldn't I? So Ahmadinejad is the one who is going to introduce him. Really? But Ahmadinejad was killed on February 28th. Yeah, bye bye. Bye bye. So the Ayatollah, when he came from Paris, here to, there to Tehran, one of the first things he said, if you look at his speeches, we are going to bring back the Mahdi, the 12th Imam. He's been in occultation, he's been asleep for 1100 years. Now stop and shake your head and say, hold on a minute. This sounds a little fishy, doesn't it? Can you understand why Sunnis don't believe this? Yeah, yeah. And Sunnis are saying, are you listening to this? Wow. This makes no sense, does it? But for every Shiite, this is absolutely sense.

15:56 They believe that the Mahdi will return. And when the Mahdi returns, he will destroy the great Satan. And the great Satan, according to Ayatollahs, every Ayatollah in the last 47 years has said the great Satan is Israel. We've got to destroy Israel. Yeah. Well, how do you destroy Israel? You have to have nuclear weapons. That's why they're the only ones that want nuclear weapons. None of the Sunnis are looking for it. They don't care about it. The last thing they want in the world is to have Israel nuked. Because there goes their whole future. Yeah. Isn't it amazing? Because we don't... You mentioned earlier we're talking about politics. It's funny because you said you're not political. Believe it or not... But I am theological, and this is theological. And here's the thing.

16:36 I'm not political. I'm theological. And because of that being true, I see no area of this world in my life that's exempt from the gospel infiltration. There you go. What's the term that you... Stop right there, right there. What you have just said, if a Muslim's listening to you, I hope you're listening to Jack. Because for a Muslim, that's the same paradigm they start with. They look at the entire world as impacted by Islam. How they walk, talk, eat, drink, sleep is impacted. They bring the mosque and the state together. Yes. Now we separate the two. We separate. That's why we have a hard time. For me especially, not so much you. You love politics more than I do.

17:17 I am over here on God's side, not Caesar's side. But I'm realizing guys like you bring the two better together than I do. So I have to come to you to ask your permission when I do this. I see the enemies of my country. Thus, my freedom to preach the gospel is connected to, or I should say this way. You and I are going to preach the gospel even if we're in prison. That said, we'd rather not be in prison to preach it. There are... There's the realm of politics that will either take away my rights to preach the gospel or protect those rights.

18:01 You and I live in a constitutional republic founded by our founding fathers, who their understanding of Scripture and politics, the key person Samuel Adams, they understood, wait a minute, we have to enshrine and protect... man's ability to proclaim, speak freely, freedom of the press, freedom of religion. To do that, we need to use politics and laws to keep those God-given rights free. That's how they understood it. I love that. That said... What has caused me, Jay, to get even more into the fight is when an invader comes to seize upon the liberty and freedoms that we enjoy, I will say passively, they take on a militant role.

18:57 engaging passion to use the very same laws that bring me freedom, they wanna circumnavigate those laws and bring upon me captivity. Okay, now we're coming back to Muhammad again. So you're speaking of what happened in Medina between 622 and 624. When he created and he said, I am gonna be the arbitrary to man and God. Why? Because God institutes laws and institutions that we have no right to change. Man will create all kinds of havoc if given their ways, what he's saying. And we understand that part as Christians. We can follow what's going on better than almost all the secular world can understand. And I hope the secular world is listening to us. Yes. Because you need to follow what the Muslims are saying.

19:39 So if he comes to Medina, which is a foreign country to him, a foreign city. Yeah. And he puts himself up as the arbiter between man and God, creates the Medina, a Constituent of Medina. He then dictates those laws, and those laws are all Sharia law. That's where Sharia law comes in. That's why the second stage has the scale. The scale. Now, once he did that, the Jews rejected that. And so in the Battle of Badr in 624, when he went with 300 men and destroyed 1,000 men, came back, the Jews had not supported him. He threw out the Banu Kanuka family. He says, you are no good. I'm throwing you out. You didn't help me. A year later, they had a second battle called the Battle of Uhud in 625.

20:19 At that battle, he lost the battle, almost was killed. He was gravely wounded. The Banu Nadir did not come to help him, so he then threw them out of Medina up to Chaybar in the north. Mm-hmm. Two years later, you have the third battle, the Battle of the Trenches. In this battle, neither side won, but the Banu Korayza family, the largest Jewish family there, the last remaining Jewish family, did not support him in that battle. As a result, he went and attacked them. They lived in their own fort outside of Medina. And after 21 days, they finally gave up. He then took every one of those men, 800 men in groups of 10 and slit their throats. He did? He did. He did himself. Well, not himself, himself. His men did, but he was there watching it happen.

21:00 So he demanded that this happen. So he slit their throats, 800 men, took all the women as concubines for his men and the children as slaves, which means within five years of moving to Medina, he had pretty much eradicated all the Jews. Now I have a name for that. I call that genocide. That is genocide. You see, there's no other way to say it. So if that is their model, and when they come to United States or they come to Europe or they come to Dat Al-Harv, which they're coming in their droves now, especially as refugees, these politicians are doing exactly what Mohammed did. You start with politics. You get power. You use useful idiots. In this case, the Democratic Party. And there's a whole lot of them in the Democrat Party. And they're clapping, clapping, clapping.

21:41 And half the Republican Party. That's unfortunate, but they, Republicans need to listen because you see if the, if you don't wake up, you're going to have the same problem that we're having in Britain right now. And I watched it happen in Britain. And the first thing they do is once they get in that, uh, into power, they have, we have 10 cities now in Britain that are now have Muslim mayors, including London itself. And then they are now instituting all these rules and regulations. You remember the incitement to religious hatred law that they tried to get in in 2000, is this 2006 or 2007? I was there when that was happening. That was a law that was instituted, which you're going to have now with this AB 1803 that they want to do. And that is hate. Yeah.

22:25 Hatred law, law of hatred speech. You're speaking hate if you criticize or... If you criticize anybody or anything, that's another belief. Well, this was the incitement to religious hatred law, which stipulated you cannot confront Muhammad, you cannot confront the Quran. Now, those are the two things I do all the time. That's right. And if you do, and you would be incarcerated for seven years in Britain. That went back and forth between the House of Parliament and the House of Lords three times. It was finally brought back to the House of Parliament for its final vote. Tony Blair, seeing what was going on, stepped outside the door so his vote would not count, and it lost by one vote. That's how close we came to basically shutting down freedom of speech. But what about most recently? Hasn't London gone, the UK, haven't they passed something just rather recently?

23:09 Okay, now what they've done is they've tried to enlarge on Islamophobia. On what does Islamophobia mean? Notice it's only on Islamophobia. Yeah, and what's, can I, Jay, sorry to interrupt. What's wrong with Islamophobia? Well, again. I don't know. I don't have any problem with it because- In fact, you are an Islamophobe, aren't you? I am. I am too. I'm not stupid. I wear it like a badge. I'm absolutely fearful of Islam. I'm fearful what they do to women, what they do to children, what they do to culture, what they do to communities. Absolutely, I'm phobic, but I love Muslims. Absolutely. See the distinction? Completely. I do not. And I'm absolutely fearful of the religion. And I love the people because of what the religion does to the people. Oh my gosh. And that's why- wear the Islamophobia badge as a badge.

23:52 They say, of course I'm Islamophobic, and so should you. A person thinking correctly should be. Forget about the word Islam, which in and of itself means... I'm paraphrasing. You better submit. It's submission and obedience, yeah. I mean, if you bring up the word submit, it also implies you better submit. In this case, it always—and then there's a prophet example again. Yeah, so that said, people thinking rightly should be concerned about that. But there's a weird—I don't want to get too goofy, but these things— There are spiritual entities behind these doctrines.

24:34 Jesus, the scriptures, the apostles warned us that in the last days, and I say this and I usually get pushback and I love it. When you look at the scriptures and when you look at the Bible and the Bible warning us in Galatians 1, for example, that... Beware of even those who might come to you preaching another gospel or an angel that comes down from heaven preaching another gospel. Let him be Maranatha Anathema. Let him be taken away to the damnation. That was all intact for the Christian church. So much so that I always mention Islam in this context.

25:16 As a cult, it's relatively new. People don't want to hear that. When you match the age of Islam to the Jewish scriptures, the Hebrew scriptures, when you match the age of Islam to the Gospels, the first century, third century, Islam is relatively new. 1,400 years. 1,400 years. And even their revelation is not 1,400 years. It's more like 1,200 years. Well, you. Their prophet. That's where you are rocking the world. This is my area. This is what I love to talk about. I thought that's what we were going to talk about. Let's talk. Tell me. Please help me. Because I was traveling. You were here.

25:56 I missed it. Before we go, can we just say to the camera, please, folks, please, folks, this is an agenda. We're in the first stage. This is called the tongue stage. This is called the pen stage. We are going to soon move into the second stage. That's already happening. Rapidly. It's happened in Kosovo. It's happening in Nigeria, where I'm going to be next month. They're taking over Nigeria using those three stages. Yeah. And it's quickly becoming a Muslim nation. And so that's why we've got to have it, make sure it does not happen here in America. Now let's move over into the historical problem you're talking about. So when you say these things, Jack, when you say, did Muhammad exist, people are going to react. I get reaction all the time. Because people have that knee-jerk response.

26:37 That was asked of us about Jesus back in the 1800s. And we know good and well Jesus did exist. But why do we know good and well he existed? Because he was written about. Not only by those who were there, eyewitnesses, by John and Matthew who are eyewitnesses, and those who got it from the eyewitnesses, Mark and Luke, and then Peter and Paul, all the others, but by others who hated him, like Tacitus, who's Roman, who hated the Christians, or Thallus and Phlegon, who were Greek, who wrote about his death, 20 years in 52 AD, 20 years after he died, they talked about the day he died. Or Josephus, who is a Greek historian. So you have Greek, Roman, and Jewish historians referring to him by name, talking about his death on the cross.

27:18 So historically speaking, we can support him. Now ask the same question of Muhammad. I would love to ask that question with a little addition regarding Jesus versus Muhammad. The Old Testament is written about Jesus, names his birthplace 700 years in advance, tells you that in 743 years before the birth of Christ, that a virgin will conceive and bring forth a child, that this one is going to be Proverbs 30 verse 4. God says, what's my name? And what is the name of my son? If you can tell me, Psalmist, 1,000 years before Christ is born, the Messiah will be crucified in his hands and his feet.

28:06 There's no previous prophetic writings of Muhammad and this, right? Going through- Well, it gets even worse than that. In the Quran itself, there are two places, chapter seven, verse 157 and chapter 61, verse seven. It says, there is this prophet, Ahmed. So that's the denominative of Muhammad, the Ahmed, who can neither read or write. Who will be referred to in both, and I'm paraphrasing, both the Taurat and the Injil. So they've got, not only is it, that's the only prophecy of this man, but they have to find it in both the Torah, which is the Taurat, and the Injil, which would be the Gospels. So they go to Deuteronomy 18, they go to Song of Solomon 516, and they go to John chapter 14.

28:50 They go to the Bible. In the Bible. The Jewish Bible. our bible our bible because john 14 and 16. true that includes us as well so both the jewish and the in jail and over guys it is laughable when you look at every study the rest of it junei 18 is probably the best go and open it up in chapter of chapter 18 and start it's they go to june verse 18 which is for their god is speaking to moses there will be someone who comes from your line like you And that's where they stop. They don't read the second half part of it. From amongst your brothers. Yes. Him you will hear. Him you will listen to. And then what does it say? Be careful of anybody who comes not in my name.

29:32 That's why you need to read verse 19 and 20 to the Muslims. Yeah. And he, if they come in the name of another God, what are you supposed to do? Put them to death. So I put Muhammad to death if you're going to claim that's him. You've got to read all 18, 19, and 20. So just open scripture for them and just read it to them. A Muslim would not appreciate another, I'm assuming, Jay, a Muslim would not appreciate another Muslim randomly, recreationally reading the Quran. I would think that you're encouraged to read all of it. With that in mind, or that assumption of what I'm saying, if they're going to come on over and cite our scriptures, then why would they not read the entire Bible from cover to cover?

30:22 They have and they don't like it, so therefore they say it's been corrupted. So what they would say, and Muslims have been, this was only created in 1056 by a man named Ibn Hazm. Muhammad died in 632. You're talking about 300 to 400 years later, somebody finally read our Bible. Ibn Hazm is what he's been credited for that. When he reads the Bible, he sees there's contradiction after contradiction after contradiction. So therefore, what's your conclusion? Ah, the Bible's been corrupted. That idea is not anywhere in any of the traditions. There's no reference to corruption in all of the traditions. There's no reference in the Quran. In fact, the Quran says just the opposite. And this is the dilemma for Muslims. Because if the Quran is the word of God and it's eternal, it's never been changed, no one can change even one word.

31:04 That's in chapter 10, verse 15. That's in chapter 18, verse 20. Which the Bible preceded that statement. Absolutely. If that is the case, then where, then the Quran should be full of references to this corruption, not one. In 45 years, they can't come up. In fact, it says just the opposite. If you have any question, O Muslims, go to the people of the scriptures and ask them, for they have been given the taurit and the injil. That's chapter 10, verse 94, chapter 21, verse seven. O Muslims, go to those scriptures I have given you, the taurit, the injil. That's in chapter four, verse 136. Do they do that? They have to, because the Quran demands it. It may say it, but do they? This is the problem. Once they do, they scour their Quran to find out any reference for corruption.

31:45 You can't find it except for chapter 2, verse 79. I can unpack that for you because that is a fun one, but it would take me about 10 minutes. Go, do it. Well, Jack, the only place that they could really justifiably go to to find any possible hint of corruption is chapter 2, verse 79, which says, Beware of those Jews who write with their own hands and call it the book. Now on face value, that sounds like the Jews have written something and they've written something other than the book. You need to go to the verse before chapter two, verse 78. There are those Jews who know not the book. That means they don't know scripture. They, but guess, beware of those Jews who write with their own hand and call it the book. So what Jews are we talking about? And obviously this is not scripture because they know not the book.

32:28 What do they write with their own hand that's above and beyond the book? This is known as the Talmud and the Mishnah. Exactly. These are the apocryphal of writings. Now this is where it really gets juicy. If that's the case, what it's saying is beware of those apocryphal accounts. Beware of those Jews who write bedtime tales for their children. Look at chapter 5, verse 32 of the Quran, where you have the story of Cain and Abel. He kills his brother. This is verse 31. He doesn't know what to do with his brother, so he buries him like following the example of a raven. Well, that's from the targum of Jonathan Ben Uzziah. It comes straight out. It's not in our Bible, but it was written in the second century basically for the children. And then you have the famous verse, verse 32, which says, O children of Israel, for he who takes the blood of one, it's if he takes the blood of all, but he who saves the blood of one, it's if he saves the blood of all.

33:17 Which is, most Muslims say, see, this is a book of peace. No, it's talking about the blood of Abel. That's right. It says children of Israel. It doesn't say, O Muslims. There's nothing about Muslims in that verse. Does it say the word Israel in the Quran? It says, O children of Israel, he who takes the blood of one. So this is referring to the blood of Abel. So this Muslims take this and Obama used to take this and say, this is proof that this book is a book of peace. It has nothing to do with Muslims unless they call themselves children of Israel. The next verse has to do with them, where it says, or those who cause mischief in the land, and stand against Allah and his apostle, crucify them, and cut off their hands and feet from opposite end.

33:58 That's the verse that they should be using, which is absolutely violent. Nonetheless, the first two verses, the first one, verse 31, comes from the Targum of Jonathan Ben-Oziah. The second one comes from the Bar Sanhedrin, written in the 5th century. These are apocryphal accounts. You jump to chapter 21, verse 51 to 71. There's Abraham. He comes in the Masjid al-Haram, which is the Kaaba, what Muslims say the Kaaba. He takes a big idol and smashes all the small riders. The next morning, they throw him into a fiery pit. Now, that's not in your Bible, is it? He was never down in Mecca to begin with. But what in the world does that come from? That comes from the Mishnah of Rabbah, another apocryphal account written in the second century. You go to verse chapter 27, and there is our good friend, uh, uh, uh, Who is the, Solomon, Solomon and Sheba.

34:46 The story of Solomon and Sheba. Yeah, sure. Chapter 27, verse 17 to 44, if I got it correct. He is there, he is marching his birds, getting them ready for battle. One bird is missing, the Hooper bird. He gets really angry when the bird flies in and talks to him. Jack, did you know that Solomon talked to birds? Yeah. He may have talked to birds, but it's not written down. He didn't put that in his diary. It's not in your Bible, is it? I mean, yep, exactly. It's a vicious story of the Solomon and the bird. The bird flies down, brings up the queen of Sheba. She talks to birds, comes into the room room, picks up her skirts to keep them from getting wet because she sees, she thinks it's a pond of water. Oh, boy. All of that comes from the second Talmud of Esther. Word for word, the same. It was an entertaining story for children's bedtime.

35:28 Wow. And yet that was written in the second century. It's incorporated into chapter 27. So when you get to chapter 2, verse 78, 79, it's warning people about these three stories. Yeah. And many more. I'm just giving you three examples. Can you see? This is an own go. This shuts down the Quran. That's right. It's the Quran that's been corrupted, not the Bible. Yeah. Okay. Got it. Perfect. Wonderful. Wonderful. But you know more about the Quran and Islam than Muslims do. Some Muslims will know what I'm saying, but they don't say what I'm saying. Because you can see why. Of course. This would invalidate much of what they're teaching. They don't want Muslims to know that these are, if you look at the Quran, much of the Quran has been borrowed from other sources.

36:13 In fact, this is what we're doing right now. We have a project called the Intertextual Project that is ongoing, it's gonna be finished by next year. We're looking at all the stories in the Quran, all this beautiful poetry, all of these antecedents, come from somewhere. And we're getting all the antecedents and re-recreating the Quran, going back to where those antecedents are. So for instance, chapter 23 of the Quran, that beautiful story, it's a beautiful poem about the believers and what their dues and their duties are. And if they do these duties, then they will have a rich reward in heaven. It's a gorgeous poem, except it doesn't belong in the Quran. It comes from actually, it comes from an early church father in the fourth century.

36:54 And what's fascinating, in the fourth century, when he wrote it, Ephraim is his name, St. Ephraim, when he wrote it at that time, he had it, so it rhymed in Syriac. So it has anonyx at the end, each word at the end. So you can memorize that easy. You get the first five verses, which comes straight out of this Ephraim poem. Beautiful thing about the believer must do his prayers, he must do his zakat or his tithing, he must never speak against any other, and he must be chaste. Now you know what the word chaste means. Yes, of course. No sexual impurities. Verse six and seven in the Quran says, except for those which your right hand possesses, those slaves of war, and the many women that you take.

37:35 Oh, what's that doing in there? Because it's not in St. Neffron's prayer. It's been added in by the Muslims at a later date. So that they can have all the women they want. It just pretty much, it just adulterates the poem. But the poem itself comes from the fourth century. And this is the same repeated again in chapter 70. All of this material, if you look, comes from five sources. It comes from these apocryphal writings, these Jewish apocryphal writings. It comes from Christian sectarian writings, especially the references to Jesus in chapter 19 and chapter 3. And then it comes from Zoroastrian writings, which makes sense since that was Sassanian. And it comes from Ethiopic writings, again, which was just across the border. And it comes from Chinese writings.

38:17 Chinese writings. Because of all the trade they had with the Chinese. So you're going to see an awful lot of this. We're going to publish it next year. By the time we have this conference here again, we're going to probably give you a copy. But can you see what does this say? This proves that this is not an eternal book. as the Quran claims it is in chapter 85, verse 21 and 22, to allow al-Masfuz, this preserved tablet, it proves that men have introduced it, men have corrected, men have corrupted it, men have deleted, they have accreted it. That confronts chapter 10, verse 15, and chapter 18, verse 27. And it really confronts the reason why no man can change it if it's eternal is because Allah guards it. That's in chapter 15, verse 9. So it shuts down all those verses and shows this is as man-made as you can get.

39:01 And that's why if you're borrowing all these stories from other groups and other traditions, you've got to give credit to those traditions. More than that, This pretty much shows you that there was no Quran at all in the 7th century. Say that again slowly, please. There was no Quran anywhere in the 7th century. You can't find any manuscript in the 7th century of a Quran that's 114 surahs from a place called Mecca and Medina for one very good reason. Just look at Meccan Media. I mean, you've seen it on a map. It's a desert. No desert, no water. No water, no food, no food, no people, no towns, no towns. There's no history. You cannot have a book like the Quran that's full of all these great debates with Christians and Jews, lots of theology in a place that has really no...

39:48 No existence. Camel can't even exist there. So how do you expect Jews and Christians? There is no historical document of Jews and Christians being any further than Tabuk, which is way up in the north part of Arabia. They never were in Medina. All these stories that I just mentioned earlier about the three Jewish tribes, all of that is fictitious. This has all been added at a later date. Oh, you've raised a good... Okay, question. Okay. You're aware that many years ago, when the Mormon church in Utah, they were getting hit, lift, and right about its lack of authenticity.

40:31 At BYU University, of course, they have the Department of Archaeology. And they were challenged about produce... archaeology that supports the Book of Mormon. And they were unable to do so. The settlements that Joseph Smith speaks about, the region or the realm where Nephi or those related to Alma, these locations, these peoples, there's no archaeological evidence. Regarding Islam. Well, just to say, am I correct and believe that a lot of that is lifted out of the book of the dead, the Egyptian book of the dead?

41:13 Yes. And it's from the Chicago Metropolitan Museum where Joseph used to work? Oh, you're good. Isn't that true? I'm just guessing. This is what I've been told. So you can see where he lifted it from. Exactly. With those beautiful golden glasses that don't exist anymore. Golden glasses. Those tablets we just can't find. But that said... So if that is happening in just the last few hundred years, why can't we ask the same question? Because if we were asked that of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John back in the 1800s in Germany, and yet we came up with all kinds of documents, and we came up with all kinds of proof that Jesus did exist, and that these were correct, if we have been able to do that in the last 200 years, shouldn't we ask the same thing of Islam?

41:55 Absolutely. Absolutely. If you are the true religion, have at it. Have at it. Shoot us all you want. We'll take it. We'll be standing at the end of the day because truth is. So this was the question asked of Dr. Yasir Khadi a year ago. After I was here, A few days, two days after I was here. Which, by the way, you were here. That talk you gave is three and a half million views. Is it? Okay. Oh, yes. But three days after I did that talk, Yasser Khadi, who is considered probably, I would say, is the world's best theologian because he has the highest degree you can get in Hadith literature from Medina University. And he has the highest degree you can get in Western historical criticism from Yale University, a PhD from Yale University, looking at Ibn Taymiyyah.

42:41 So he has a foot in both camps. He is the only one that does have that. So he understands his focal criticism, and he also understands Hadith sciences. Was asked the same question. How can you know what Muhammad said and did since no one wrote it down? See, we have Matthew and John who are eyewitnesses, Mark and Luke, who are what they call tabiun. That would be second generation. Sahaba would be the first generation. Let's use their words. Sahaba, we're the companions around Muhammad. We have the Sahaba of Matthew and John. We're the Sahaba of Jesus Christ, okay? Like with like. they wrote it down before they died. So that was a smart thing to do. Why did not the Sahaba? And when Dr. Shabit Ali was asked in July last year, how many Sahaba were there around Muhammad?

43:22 He said 120,000. Not just four. They had 120,000. Not one of them wrote one word down. How inept. Now, when he was asked, he said, well, what do you do? How are you going to support? Because the West over here are looking at your Hadith sciences, and every Western scholar discredits your Hadith sciences. And he says, yes, I understand that. They do discredit it. But when I am over here, when I go to the mosque, I quote from Al-Buhari, Sahih Muslim, Ibn Daw, the Maja and Nisai. I quote from them. enormously, because though I have to, because that's how I need to know how to walk, talk, eat and drink.

44:03 When I come to Dallas, Texas and go to Epic Senate, I do not quote from them because they consider those to be discredited. Wow. He said, we have two completely different epistemologies. Amazing. And he says, these two epistemologies are in conflict. Conflict. Collision. They're in a collision. And he says, there's no way that I can right now, as I speak, I cannot know whether or not these will ever come together. But if someone could do from over here, could prove it historically, I would be the first to buy his book. Now, he said that on July 9th, 2025. On July 31st, he went back to Epic City and his students were quite upset because this went all over the world. They said, how is it you can- But he spoke truth. He was speaking truth.

44:43 This is the private side. Remember, he's speaking to Muslims. That's why you need to be careful what they say publicly because what they say publicly is not what they say privately. That's very political. Because remember, they're in- Publicly, they're in Dalal Harb, okay? That's right. Remember, back to Dalal Harb again. They're at war. They're at war. They're at war. They're at war. They're at war. They're at war. Just like you would do behind enemy lines. Yeah. You'll tell the enemy anything they want to hear. Exactly. You're at war. But when you come home again to Dalal Islam, you've got to speak privately. You've got to speak honestly. And that's what he was when he was back in Epic City in Dallas on July 31st. His students wanted to know how he could do this. And he says, okay, okay, listen. The historical criticism, which is on this side, is based on a bias. Okay? That's why we don't use it.

45:24 And what's the bias? They demand everything be written down. Not a bad. Absolutely. Not a bad request. That's right. And that's exactly what we demand. If you buy a car tomorrow, you want to have a receipt that you paid for it, right? Otherwise, they could say you haven't paid for it. We want another $28,000. Right. You have to write down what you said and what you did. These guys were all there. And he says, but we don't worry about that because we know that the Sahaba, who, and it's on this side now, we don't worry about, he said, because we don't use historical criticism. We can trust because of iman. Iman means belief. We can have belief because these men who were there watching what Muhammad said and watching Muhammad did, they were absolutely pure.

46:11 Now, I'm sitting there going like this. That is risky thinking. Stop and think that. Can you imagine us demanding of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John that they have to be absolutely pure before they can write anything down? No way. No. We knew. I mean, look at Chosen. They're just like you and me, aren't they? Yeah. They have a whole lot of kinds of foibles. In fact, I was at Cal Poly Pomona here in Southern California, and we had a table set up because we had heard that the Muslim Brotherhood had their table set up. And so they're handing out Quran, so we're handing out Bibles. And this one guy, Amir was his name. He comes on over and he introduces himself. And he said, very, very arrogantly, very confidently, but listen to what he said.

46:54 He said, hey, we really appreciate what you're doing, which of course they didn't. But he said, there's no doubt about it. I don't know if you've ever heard such a thing before, Jay. I'd never heard this before. He said, there's no doubt about it. The message that you Christians have, it's a far better message than we have. Far better. The only problem is, it's not true. So you can just flip that on its head next time and say, yours is not only not amazing, it's not also true. It's a double negative. Thank God that you recognize that it's amazing. But it is absolutely true because we've got the evidence. Where's your evidence?

47:35 True. I should. If I'd have been on my toes, I would have said, isn't God able to do amazing? Because the message is amazing. Why is it that our God preserved his message and your God did not a thing? He can't. If your God is guarding the message and yet not one... Now, here's what's amazing. Not just the first generation didn't write it down. The tabiun didn't write it down. The tab tabiun didn't write it down. The tab tabiun. So five generations didn't write it down. All of them were pure. If they were all pure, therefore, everything they said was 100% accurate is what he said. He said this a year ago. Now I'm sitting there and saying, thank God we don't have to depend on that. So here's what really gets juicy. He says, but finally it was written down by Ibn Hisham and Al-Buhari, Sahih, Muslim, Ibn Daud and all the others in the ninth century.

48:18 But how pure were they? 200 years. What he doesn't know is what we now know. There was nothing written down in the ninth century. We have no documentation, no extant manuscript for any of these, these seven guys that, They don't begin to appear to the 11th century. Al-Buhadi that everybody uses, the nine volumes, are finally written down in the 15th century. That's 800 years later. There's another three volumes that are written in the 12th century, and we're now looking at the 12th century and the 15th and seeing how different they are. They were accreted and deleted and corrupted and changed for 800 years. So even what he's going on, that 200-year gap, is not 200 years, it's 400 to 800-year gap.

49:00 that we can bring into court to prove Muhammad's existence. Zero. Just his very existence. Okay, now be careful. I have to be careful because I got hammered by this when I said this last year. When I say zero, there are lots of references to Muhammad in the 7th century. From whom? They're all up in Syria. They're all up in Jordan. And it's called Mahmud. Mim HaMim Dal. It's four letters. Just like there are hundreds of references to Jesuses in the first century. There are lots of Jesuses. It was a common name. Very common name. But which Jesus are you concerned about? I'm only concerned about one Jesus. There's only one. One who was born in Bethlehem, grew up in Nazareth. The one the prophet spoke of.

49:41 Exactly. And died and rose again in Jerusalem and claimed to be the son of God. Yep, because God can do that. And that's the only Jesus I care about. That's the only Jesus I'm going to support. That's the only Jesus you will die for and I will die for. And that's the Jesus the Muslims need. And that's the Jesus they need. But if we are demanding that Jesus, then we have to make sure the Muslims have their Muhammad as well. I am not going to sit there and waste my time talking about all the other Mahmads that are all over the Syria and Jordan. These are known as the praised one, the altogether lovely that we see in Song of Solomon. There's Mahmoudim right there in Song of Solomon 516. It's 11 times in our Old Testament. In Hebrew, it's the same word in Hebrew. So Jay, with all of this, Putting yourself in the Muslims' sandals right now, wherever they are in the world, what hope do they have?

50:29 Well, they only have one hope. When they wake up in the morning, what is their purpose for living? What hope do they have where they're at? Okay. Can you understand, if you're in their shoes, just to put themselves in their shoes, they are hoping with all hope that they really do believe what that man said to you in that university. We may not like, we don't like what Muhammad did. We don't like, he doesn't have a pleasant story. Like your Jesus who didn't kill a soul and said, put away your sword. He who lives by the sword dies by the sword. That's a much better message. Or Muhammad said, slay the unbeliever wherever you find them. And the word believer is mushrikun, those who commit shirk, those who elevate another alongside God. We are the mushrikun. Because we're guilty of elevating Jesus as though he's something other than God.

51:12 He's equal with God. That's called shirk. Rather than seeing him as the same. So he doesn't like that message. He's aware of that. And that's why he's hoping, he's wishing. He wants to make sure that he shuts down what you're believing and shuts down what you're saying. He wants to censor you because you will. We are really their only threat. When you stop and think of it, nobody is a threat like we are. Because not only of who Jesus is, but also the message he's giving. And they recognize that the message of Jesus is a lot more attractive. Absolutely. Of course, everybody loves Jesus. Muslims come to me all the time and says, we love Jesus. Why don't you love Muhammad? And I said, exactly. Of course you love Jesus. And you're making me think about something. So is it true, Jay, that Muslims around the world report that they are seeing visions or dreams of Jesus speaking to them?

52:01 Everywhere. This is probably the greatest way people are coming to the Lord to do that. So are there not people waking up after having the same dream about Muhammad saying who he is? I've not yet heard one. I've not heard one. I've not heard one. I've only heard Muslims say that they, in fact, we are now broadcasting in many Muslim nations in their original languages, And we're getting letters now. We're getting responses from people. It's fantastic. And several of those we've gotten, people have made the comments that Jesus had appeared to them or that they had. This is absolutely awesome.

52:41 So you are saying it is, in fact, something that you've heard of. You could look at most, not necessarily. At one point, they were saying 75% of all converts are coming through this method. This is what they were saying. I've heard this of Muslims in the region of Iraq. I've heard the same thing. Well, they're all over the Muslim world because God is doing our job for us. He's appearing because we're wasting our time not talking about him. And we're wasting our time so fearful of the other. We're wasting our time paralyzed with this fear that even when we're sending our missionaries out, they're not preaching the gospel. That's right. They're just making friendships. That's right. And they're looking. It's this whole disciple ministry, DMM, which says to look for people of peace.

53:22 And if you spend your whole time looking for people of peace, you're not going to find many in the world of Islam. The most radical ones, the ones that we really need to bring home, the ones who are Saul's who become Paul's. Those people, I want Saul's who become Paul's. Look what Paul did. And in order to get that, you're going to have to use, you're going to have to preach the gospel to them, which means you're going to have confrontation. And they're going to be anything but peaceful. But they're the ones I want. Because they are the ones who can go much quicker than you and I can go. They know the languages. They have the relationships. They understand the culture. And they can contextualize it much quicker and much better than I can. And they can also, they are the opinion leaders like Paul, when he became Paul, look and see all the churches he started. Look and see all the, but look at all the harassment he had to go through.

54:04 He got thrown into prison. He got beaten up twice. Left for dead, yeah. He caused a riot in Ephesus and they killed him in Rome. So we have to have people like that who are willing to die for what they believe. Like the disciples. They all went through that. And here's what's interesting because that's part of the commissioning in chapter 10 of Matthew. That's right. If you go in my name, you're going to be hated. You're going to be persecuted. You're going to be. It's a promise. You're going to be flogged and you're going to be killed. Now, were you commissioned like that? As a believer, I'm commissioned like that. In the Calvary Chapel church? Oh, no. You mean like in the coordination? Do they commission you like that? No. Well, we need to because that's how Jesus commissioned his 12. You're exactly correct. It should be said that way.

54:44 And my Saul's who become Paul's, guys and gals who are like over here, they don't care dillish what if they're going to die because they have been so freed from what Islam has been doing to them. They want to say it. They want to preach it from the rough top. Not only is that true what you just said, but according to true, absolute Christian theology, we ourselves are to reckon ourselves dead. If we reckon ourselves dead, and if we have been, Galatians 2, 2, crucified with Christ, nevertheless, we live... then who can take our lives from us because our lives have already been offered. You need to bring Hutton back here. She was here this week. Did any of you meet Hutton? Did any of us meet her?

55:25 Hutton is a Turk lady. She's a Turkish leader in, I guess in her forties now. And she was on the ladder with me for three years before I left in London. This woman- She was at the ladder? Did you sit on the ladder? She was on the ladder with me, yeah. She would get on the ladder? She was the best one on the ladder. I've never seen her on the ladder. Except for Beth Beltola. Beth Beltola was probably a little better. But Hatun Tash was a Muslim. Her father is a well-known imam in Turkey. She fell in love with Jesus, had to flee to Britain, became a part of our team. This woman goes into mosque after mosque. She's been into over 400 mosques all by herself. And she is the one that found the in the these, the 30 different Korans that are no two are alike.

56:06 She found them. And so we introduced them in 2016. She found them. She found them all over the Muslim world. They're there, you can get them today. You can buy them. Over 30 different Korans, over a thousand years old. They're all written in Arabic. These are not translations. Every one of them is different. There are 93,000 differences between the hafs, which is the one that we use today and all the other 29. Isn't that right? horrifically compromising to there. Exactly, you're just starting to get to why this is so dangerous and why she, they're trying to kill her. Of course. They've broken her feet, they've broken her ribs, they hanged her almost to death. She's been stabbed in the head right on camera. You can see it there at Speaker's Corner, blood everywhere. And even when she came to, she got back up and says, You, God, your God tells you to kill me.

56:49 My God says to love you. She just preached the gospel with blood streaming down her head. And she goes back into the mosque again. She goes, she's been into 400 mosques in the three-year period she brought a thousand Muslims to Jesus Christ only using polemics, only using confrontation. Explain to the audience what polemics is and why we, why each and every one of us as believers are. Polemics is going on the offense apologetics is defense, like your football team. Two completely different teams. I mean, you say it so simply and easily. Yes, I understand. Well, let's have two different skills. But – To elaborate on that, no football team wins a game without the two. You can have the best defense in the world, but you're not going to score unless you have a good offense.

57:33 But the Christian church today, by and large, because of its seminaries, because of its persuasions, is... I love this guy. He's right up my alley. Is predominantly... Peace and reconciliation. Exactly, anything but those two. You don't confront Muhammad, you don't confront the Quran because this is not Christ-like. So this is, so the church by and large in the West and maybe wherever, the church barely scarcely can defend And it certainly almost isn't advancing. You know, we're the only school in the world that has a master's degree in apologetics and polemics of Islam. We're the only ones that have the P. And that's tragic.

58:15 There's only one. I'm the only person in the world that has a PhD in Islamic polemics. You're looking at it. There should be thousands of me. Yeah. There should be thousands because this is exactly what Paul did. When Paul, he went on the offense everywhere in Laodicea, in Cappadocia, in Berea, in Ephesus. Yeah. He went right into the synagogue uninvited. There's no friendship evangelism there. He went right up to the Pharisees and confronted them with what they had done to the Messiah. He did. That's called polemics. Yep. And who is it? Vince Lombardi who says the best defense is a good offense? Yes, of course. I understood that perfectly. Why aren't we doing what they did in the first century? Why aren't we doing it in the 21st century? Hope Lombardi. Yes, exactly.

58:55 Yeah. So when you get back and you see, if you go on the offense on this, you're going to confront not only their scriptures, you're going to confront them with their man, and you're going to confront their place, the book, the man, and the place, which we love because we have the better book, the better man, and the better place. And that has been confronted for 200 years. And we have found reference after reference for all three based on evidence for the first century. They need evidence for the seventh century. They cannot find it. That's why they are shutting it down. Why then do you think the first thing they do is get in laws like incitement to religious hatred? Why do they even have a reference called Islamophobia so that you cannot say anything against their prophet and anything against their book? Because those are the two weakest pillars of Islam.

59:36 You confront Muhammad and you confront the Quran historically and all of Islam comes falling down. Help me out here. I'm just being very honest with you right now on this... This was probably formed in my head from being a kid, growing up in a non-Christian home. It was a very moral home. It was not like an ungodly, mean, ugly home. There was just no Bible. There was no reference to God. There was no church. I had never been to church in my life. That said, at a very young age, my first understanding that Jesus might be somebody important was when my dad would curse, he would, let's say he dropped the brick on his foot, out would fly the words GD and Jesus Christ.

1:00:33 I began early on thinking, whoever Jesus is, he must be very important. Thank you. Right? So your dad used him in vain. Believe it or not, God used my dad's pain or frustration to sow the seeds of evangelism in my heart because Jesus must be somebody important if he's being tied to God in this event. That said, fast forward. Why do you think in all of the world, and Lisa and I actually experienced this, we got off shortly after the wall came down We land in Moscow taking a group of people to preach the gospel.

1:01:14 This is early on. I mean, some of it's still going down. We're on the streets, and we don't understand Russian, but I don't know what happened. The guy slammed his finger in the door or got upset. I don't know what it was. It doesn't matter. But out of all of this, there is Russian talk, there was Russian talk, and oh, Jesus Christ. Is that his Russian? You know, the Russian words, and then, what was that? I just understood something. Yeah. Jesus Christ was said. The guy was cursing, Jesus Christ. It's the same wherever you go.

1:01:54 Why does that, why, why? Has anyone ever dropped a brick on their foot and not said Muhammad? No, no. Why? Well, obviously one will kill you, the other one will save you. Jesus will save you. That's true. You drop a brick on your foot, Muhammad would come, he would cut off your foot. Innately, they know that Jesus will save you. Isn't that something? Whereas you do Muhammad, he didn't even exist. What a waste of time. I hate to say it that they use his name in vain, but nonetheless, can you see what you're saying? And what this tells all of us is they still know that there is only one person that can help them with their pain. There's only one person that can help them with their salvation, and that is Jesus Christ.

1:02:36 So in some ways, thank you for mentioning him. Thank you that you do acknowledge that. It's just you don't want to follow him. There you go. Come on home. Come on home. No, you mentioned Muhammad. And if he didn't even exist, I mean, I have to be careful. There was a Muhammad at some time. He was then created to become that. Just like, just like there was a Robin Hood possibly. There was an Arthur. Arthurian legend is based on somebody, but he did not have 12 knights and there was no round table. And there was probably no one named Guinevere and Sir Lancelot. All of these, you have to add to it to make the story believable. A man by that name that was embellished. But he certainly didn't receive a book called the Quran because almost all of it comes from the north.

1:03:20 Much later. And it's all from our material. It's all borrowed from our material. This is true. Over by many, many different individuals. And so the Quran that we have today, even the manuscripts that we have in the 8th century, none of them are complete. They're all over the place. They don't agree with each other, and they don't completely agree with the Quran we have today. And this is from the 8th and 9th century. Even going up, we don't even know when the first Quran was finally finalized. So it obviously did not come from somebody who died in 632. and then compiled in its complete form in 652 by a scribe named Zaidi bin Thabit under the authority of Uthman. That pretty much is fictitious and certainly not from a place called Mecca.

1:04:01 We can't find any reference. So throw those out from the 7th century And then you're going to say, well, if this man didn't exist or this book didn't exist, that everything that Muslims are dependent on is based on a fraud. How are they going to salvage that? And how are they going to support that? Well, the only thing they have left to do is to make sure they censor anybody from attacking that. That's why you have all the censorship going on. We don't censor anything. No. Why would we censor Jesus Christ? Yeah. He is our best defense. I want everybody, I want you to throw everything you can at Jesus Christ and I just sit back and let Jesus defend himself. Yeah. There's just not a thing you can throw. Everybody loves, as I say this all the time, Muslims come to me and say, we love Jesus.

1:04:42 Of course you do. Who doesn't love Jesus? Even Madonna loves Jesus. Even the most secular people love Jesus. That's why they use his name in vain. Yeah. Because he is the most practical person. He is probably certainly the best model. It's just that we can't live what he lives. We try our best to live at his standards. Yeah. But he is the standard for everybody to live by. Yeah. So why don't you come on home to him? Amen. He's a much better man. He's a much better model. And goodness sake, even if you want to throw aspersions against him, make sure that at some point you come back to him. Amen. Absolutely stunning. So what's going on in America right now? The Muslim, the average American Muslim family, they're in America.

1:05:27 They've been born and raised here. What do they want regarding their doctors or their... whatever they are, they have a career, they have a home, they have a family. Islam is advancing in the United States. What do they think about this? Do they think they're winning and this is going to be great? Or do they want to have their life at peace as it is, enjoy their wealth and their life And it's good? Or do they see what's advancing in America as something that even threatens them? Yes, to both. Let me explain what I mean.

1:06:08 This happened back when 9-11 happened. I was in Britain at that time. Actually, I was in the States when it happened. But back in Britain, the month after those atrocities happened here in the United States, they put out a survey. They went to about 10,000 Muslims. And they asked a simple question. Do you support al-Qaeda? Do you support, now let's go on your right. So over here on the right, that's Al Qaeda. They would be radical. Radical means that they are like a radical number. They go down to the foundation. They're Orthodox Muslims. Do you support that? And, or do you support, you're not sure where you stand on this? So that would be the, so you have the radicals here, the nominalists in the middle who don't understand what's going on.

1:06:48 They're confused. They would still call themselves Muslims. And then you have re-liberals on the left who have left Islam. They want nothing to do with it. They've come to Britain to get away from it. And many of them are academics in our academic institutions. About 15% where it said yes over here on the right That's a big number. 70% said, we're not sure. We don't understand. 70. 70, 7-0. And the last 15% said, we are liberal. We want nothing to do with it. We're glad to be here in the United Kingdom. Thank God we're in a peaceful place finally. Now, that was in October of 2001. The next year in 2002, they did the same survey again. They asked the same question. Do you still support Al-Qaeda?

1:07:29 This group here that had been 15% had grown to 25%, all taken from the middle. still 15 over here interest in 2006 they asked the same question now where do you stand and this group that had been 15 to 25 now was 43 no almost half of the muslims had moved to the right all taken from the middle so what's going on well i was there watching this happen i saw and a lot of was the sheikh muhammad himself who was going from university to university and being uh being recorded And then this was going on, back then it was these videotapes, you know, these box videotapes, VHSs. And they were going through and watching and seeing that really what this Al-Qaeda was doing was exactly what Muhammad said.

1:08:15 It's right there in the Quran, in chapter 9, verse 5, in chapter 8, verse 39, in chapter 47, verse 4, verse after verse after verse after verse, chapter 5, verse 38. I mean, there's so many verses to support what Al-Qaeda is doing in the Quran itself. And so they were being radicalized just by opening up and reading the Quran. Now, so it depends on who's standing in front of you. You're going to have the same thing here in the United States. I would say probably right now, it's probably 15, 70, 15 as well here in the United States. It would be interesting to see if that were the case. This may be a little bit bigger than 15. So if you're talking to a radical Muslim here, they would agree with you. Yes, this is what we're supposed to do. This is our agenda.

1:08:55 We want to take over America. We are here to make sure because this is God's law. We don't believe in democracy because democracy is man's law. Man can never stand against God. God has always instituted his law. Now, we would agree with that, but we know that democracy allows us to introduce God's law through all the functions of government. And that's why in Acts 13, Paul says, He says, we must give authority to the governments. Is that right? Romans 13. Romans 13, not Acts 13, Romans 13. So we must adhere to the government unless it does not superimpose or above our law. So we would understand that, but we always also realize that they do not have any Romans 13.

1:09:41 They just know that they are to obey it. That's what Islam means. As you just said a few minutes ago, they are to obey it and submit to it. You don't ridicule it, you don't criticize it, you don't even question it. Now the people in the middle, they're confused on either side. And that's why you'll find most of those who come to America are refugees there in the middle. They've had no theological background. They have grown up in a Muslim environment. They have left because of economic reasons, because of warfare. The vast majority of refugees that come to our country are in this group and they tend to be Muslim because almost all the warfare and all the violence happening around the world, surprise, surprise is happening in Muslim countries. And then you have the liberals on this side and they are in a dilemma because they know that they still do want to call themselves Muslims, but they are the Rashid of Tlaibs.

1:10:28 I was just gonna say, is that the Mamdani? They're not Mamdani. Mamdani is, okay, let's say Mamdani, but not Saeed. Sidewood would not be there. He is not a liberal. He's more over here. He knows what he's saying. He knows what he's doing. He has a PhD and he also has a medical degree. He is an academic. He understands exactly what's going on. But is he considered radical? He is considered very radical. I mean, look what the first thing he said. We want to bring Sharia law. And when asked by Jesse Waters there on Facts News, he said, why do you want to bring Shuddy of Law here? He said, well, you have canon law, so why not? Without thinking how stupid that sounds. And I wish Jesse had learned his lesson. Jesse should have come back to him and say, canon law is only for those who participate in the canon.

1:11:10 He got caught with his theology down. And he says, you cannot, canon law doesn't affect you and me, but Shuddy of Law affects all of us. So that should have been shut down in that discussion. Nonetheless, can you see, he is very clear that he wants to bring Shari Allah to the country. Absolutely, no doubt. Remember, he is born here, so that means he could be president. That's why he's a lot more dangerous. And he was chosen by Bill Clinton in 2007 because he saw what a great speaker he was. Well, he's very charismatic, highly educated, like you said. So this is the man we need to be careful of. Yeah, I agree. And that's why in many respects, this is a man I want to spend more time confronting. The Talibs of the world and the Ilham Omars, they're in some ways, they have done so many stupid things.

1:11:55 I mean, Ilham Omar is gonna have a huge problem with all that fraud. Exactly, she's in big trouble as you and I speak. She's in big trouble with her marriage and she's in big trouble with fraud. Money is support. So I'm not too worried about her. I'm much more worried outside. But I'm also more worried about Yassad Qadi, who is the one that's interpreting this for the whole world. And that's why we need to be careful. We need to get our antenna up. And we need to make sure that these two laws that they want to impose, AB 2017 and AB 1803, that they want to bring here to California. I'm so glad you've got that. You're handing out that leaflet. Hand it out to everybody. Those must be squashed. We cannot have Islamic institutions brought part of our calendar, and we cannot have hate speech.

1:12:35 That's ill-defined hate speech imposed on all of our, including you in the church. You're going to have to take these classes on what to say and what not to say. The church cannot be told that because we separate ourselves from the state for that reason. So we can always impose on the state whenever they impose on us. Exactly. And what back against it? Who said it? Some great, some great divine of old said that the, that the church is the conscience of the state. I like that. The state is out doing what state stuff does. Well, everywhere I go, everybody talks about you because you are such a great spokesman on these issues. You're one of the few ones that actually gets up and says it and actually gets hammered for it. Yeah.

1:13:16 God bless you, Jack, for what you do. And that's one reason why I work with you because you've got a backbone that very few have. Well, I tell you what, brother, God has been good in my life rescuing me from an abortion. Yeah. having a lot of problems and issues growing up. On June 20th, 1977, Jesus was looking for me. I cannot say I was looking for him. And he tackled me, won me over in an instant. I knew that I was just absolutely, when I heard the gospel, I knew that my life was in great peril. You know what you are. You're a soul who's become a Paul. He definitely changed my name.

1:13:58 Yeah, he did that in an instant. Saul has become a Paul. And these men like you and your wife, they're the people we're looking for. Because you are opinion leaders. You are highly gifted. You are amazingly gifted in your communication skills. You have an enormous background. But look what you've come from. What a testimony you have. And that's why you can speak better than I can speak. As I've grown up in a Christian home, I don't have your story. I think we have different stories, Jay, because... For such a time as this, it is so obvious that God has got you in this position where the church needs to hear you.

1:14:38 The Muslims are hearing you. And so what we're all about is getting you more and more exposed with hopes that, yes, of course, that Muslims would come to the light, come to the truth. But the church needs to wake up to get equipped to bring that light and that truth to the Muslim in their community. And I'm not disparaging missionary work. We support that. But it is clear that in America, the mission field has come to our neighborhood. And we need to be equipped to take care of that.

1:15:19 As we wrap this up. what are some of the final words? What are some of the projects? What are some of the things that excite you? And I know that some of the things that we've talked about off camera, I'm praying that there's the coming opportunity for you and I to be in Tehran. So you're giving it away already. Yeah. We're letting it out. You're going to have to say it because I've been saying, I accidentally said it on Wednesday and I wasn't supposed to. I hope you've clipped that out, right? Okay, so I'm not going to say any more about that. Yeah. What I'm going to say, Jack, is, and I'm going to, which camera should I look at? This one? I want to talk to Muslims.

1:15:59 I really want to talk to them. Because I know you're listening. This is one of the few channels you do listen to. And I know that you don't, you probably have not appreciated some of the things that Jack and I have been saying right now. But let me just say this. Remember. You are here in America. Many of you have come from Muslim countries. You have left what you've come from because of what's happening in your own countries. Your countries, show me any Muslim country that's been successful outside of having oil wealth. If you didn't have any oil wealth, none of the Middle East would be successful. And that has nothing to do with Islam. The fact that you're coming from countries that are failing, they're enormously failing on every front, politically, economically, certainly when it comes to the social fabric of your countries, they're failing.

1:16:42 And you're not coming to Muslim countries. You're not going to the Middle East where there's lots of money. You're coming here to United States. And you're coming to Europe. Why are you coming here when you should be going to other Muslim countries? Because they're much closer to you. They have the same background. They have the same cultural grid. Why are you coming to this country? Because there's something about America that you love. I'll tell you what it is. It's based, everything that we, our constitution, the way we live, the way we function, the choices we make are based on the Bible. We are a Judeo-Christian country. Now, you may not like that to hear that, but the reason why everything is successful, the reason it's so attractive, the reason we have so many jobs, the reason our economy is spinning along so fast and giving you jobs and giving you the freedom to go to the mosque, even build your mosque, and to worship and to evangelize, something I can't do in your countries.

1:17:33 I can't do that. I'm not permitted to do that. Why? Because if I were permitted, you would all come home to us. You'd all become Christians. But we allow you to do that here, knowing that, why don't you just come on home? Why don't you just come home and become part of what Jesus has done, the great things he's done in this country and in Europe. Europe is falling back now. But do you realize that if you follow the precept of Jesus Christ, if you follow what he did and do what he said, just look at his example, his Sira and his Hadith, his example and his sayings. Look and see how easy your life will be for you. But more than that, you want eternal life. It's not good enough just what's happening here in the United States. I want to be with that man, and I want to be walking and talking with Jesus again, and you can do the same.

1:18:18 All you need to do is just accept what he did on the cross. That's all we're saying. You don't have to pay it. You don't have to work it off like you believe, working off and doing all your buttoke, buttoke, buttoke, buttoke with that angel sitting on their shoulder. You cannot get to God that way. You've got to come through what Jesus did for you. He died for you. He rose for you. That happened 2,000 years ago, and he did it exactly for you. It doesn't choose just this person here and that. He says anybody that believes that he died and rose again, that's all it takes. It doesn't cost you a cent. Why don't you come on home to that, Jesus? Then why don't you start living like he lived and talking like he talked and just see how successful you will be? We know it because we've already experienced it. Look what Jack came from.

1:18:59 look at the background that he came out of and just look how god is using him in every case if you just come home to jesus christ you muslims especially God's going to come into your life. The Holy Spirit's going to infill you, going to give you the words to say, and you're going to start waiting to give a little bit of your steak on your plate while you wait, but wait for the pie in the sky when you die. That's what you're really waiting for. And that's what I want to offer you to because I want to be with you forever. I want to be with you for eternity. I'm scared to death what Islam is doing to you, but I love you. And I want to be with you. And I want to see you with me. God bless you. It'd be lovely to have you come home. And to that, I can only say amen.