Science vs The Bible?

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It's amazing for me to be here in this setting with Ken Ham because I used to sit in the pews at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa and just be lost in the crowd as this man would come and expound and illuminate and give us insights into the book of Genesis and he has such a huge role in my life just the appraisal of the Bible being top shelf everything the authority of scripture. Ken it's awesome to have you with this and for those who don't know he is the chief executive officer and founder most importantly of answers in Genesis if if you have any children or not you need to go to a i g dot or g right answers in Genesis dot org answers in Genesis dot org you're gonna want to go there incredible leading edge top top technology presentations curriculum just it's wonderful and of course if you're ever in the area if not make it happen get to the creation museum and the arc experience it is absolutely the best Ken it's great to have you here and it's great to be here well listen you are you're a legend and our our students here at at our school get baptized into your curriculum and the arc encounter on almost I think an annual basis so you you guys are family um let's just dive right into this because we don't have all that much time normally it is a lot of time but with Ken Ham time flies are you saying I talk about no listen what you have to say is absolutely essential and so how about if I start a little bit sarcastically like this Ken there must be something wrong with my Bible I read here that there's in the book of Genesis which you are a great fan of from chapters one through eleven specifically but there's something wrong Ken there's something wrong because I can only find two genders in here even among the animals am I wrong am I going wrong here well you know what this should help you okay and calm you down just show you're not wrong because in the New Testament Jesus his son of God who doesn't tell a lie who knows everything who is the creator who's always been there when he was asked about marriage said haven't you read he made the beginning made the male and female that's in Matthew 19 he does it again in Mark 10 and he's actually quoting the text of Genesis 127 yes in other words he is affirming the historicity of Genesis and there's Jesus saying there's only two genders yeah male and female and of course you know throughout the Bible you only find two genders I mean you jump further in Genesis Genesis 5 2 there's only two genders all the way through you know Leviticus other places there's only two genders male and female and you know science actually confirms that absolutely science confirms it you don't even have to be a scientist to figure that out nor do you have to be someone who's read their Bible to figure this out because well that's true it's obviously common sense if you think about it I think I heard President Trump say that common sense we just heard that recently we just heard some some tremendous activity in the White House today regarding all of this but I remember way way back when there's a guy but then you know by the name of Dr. A. E. Walters Smith and yeah I met him I remember him speaking on various topics and one of them is that and this is I'm gonna flood it up but you'll you will bail me out I'm sure okay so that without the Bible there's evidence from nature which is created from God so that if you never had the Scriptures you would know instinctively because the truth is written on the human heart that there's a male and there's a female and that there's this internal understanding of of the appreciation of both and then on top of the fact and I thought this was brilliant and I've never forgotten it that if you are a person who denies the existence of God then you've got to explain some other route for all of this happening he said this doesn't work because if you have evolution taking place you've got to have it happening in sexual unison in other words both both male and female how did you ever get them have to sexually mature at the exact same time to propagate how is that gonna happen and then somebody says why I don't believe in God then you're gonna go to a different argument but can the argument of there is no God and evolution is what brought us here in this remarkable series of profound accidents so that we're here today the interesting thing is isn't if if evolution's true can wouldn't evolution have washed away eradicated the LBGTQ activity because it's non-productive yeah wouldn't make sense you become extinct very quickly when you if we didn't have two genders and you know it's interesting we know a lot more today about genetics and DNA that molecule veredity that makes up our genes our chromosomes we're made of 23 pairs of chromosomes and it's very interesting that we have a pair of sex chromosomes and males have an X and a Y and females have an X and an X yeah and so when you get politicians like we had you know recently in recent times who said they don't know what a woman is yeah let me tell you the rule you're ready okay if you've got a Y you're a guy if you don't have a Y you're not a guy it's as simple as that oh I like that and see it we should get that in t-shirts exactly if you're a Y you're a guy and if you're not a Y you're not a guy if you don't have a Y you're not a guy and you know somebody asked me recently about well what what about aren't there some people that have like two X's in a Y yeah let me explain that let me explain what happened there yeah but they said what would they be male or female say very simple if they got a Y they're a guy if they don't have the Y they're not a guy so that'd be a male right regardless now there are some they call them exceptions but they're a fraction of a percent a fraction of a percent to the point that they are anomalies to say the least yes and say the least and that doesn't negate the created order but you know it's only a biblical worldview that explains that because of sin God no longer holds everything together perfectly so now there are mutations or mistakes that add up in our genes and it's not just sex chromosomes but you can have problems in other chromosomes as well right because of the fall in other words because it's a foreign world and so what you see is here's the created order which is quite obvious right two two sex male and female there's a created order but we see some distortions and why the distortions because it's a fallen world so it's only when you start from Genesis that you can explain that interesting so I have this question for you so if we have a mutation does the mutation ever mutate upward or downward in other words does it because all have sin and we live in a world of sin does the mutation move upward to a more superhuman or does it result in a decline and problems well let me say this let me give you an overall statement but then I need to clarify right and I ask people wait for the clarification so there are no in ultimately there are no beneficial mutations now you'll be careful saying that because the secularists will say but there are some beneficial mutations take sickle selenemia if you have sickle selenemia then you can actually be resistant to malaria well yeah if you got the sickle gene that's true and they say that's a beneficial mutation it's not beneficial in an overall sense because you don't want it because if you if you have the sickle cell genes diagnosed with it I mean you don't want that that then then you get two of those together I mean you you can have also to brain problems and all sorts of other problems and physiological problems and other words in an environment we have a lot of malaria people who have that mutation can survive but overall it is detrimental to the population and it's certainly detrimental to genetics because it's destructive and so no there are no when you understand them beneficial mutations which means by the way do you realize something human race can't keep going on and on and on there's a lot of mutations that we carry a lot of mistakes in our genes genetic load they call it it's increasing more and more and more they'll come a time when there's just gonna be so many problems it's not gonna make sense that's the opposite of evolution well this being the the beginnings of a new year we've all as a church we're going through our one year Bible of course obviously we went through Noah and Noah was found to be perfect in his generation and if I remember right from my days under pastor Chuck Smith he made it a big point to point out that that Noah was somehow pure or clean or genetically healthy in his generation meaning Chuck would say that the aberrant sexuality and the strange things that were going on that led to the flood Noah had kept himself pure and I find that if in fact true that in Romans 1 talks about the judgment that those who practice aberrant sexuality receive the judgment within them it says it tells us that it's within them they they receive their due recompense it's a lot of people say a lot of things about those and I guess we have to be careful because the Bible is not explicit you know I mean we try to read into things but you know you mentioned Romans 1 which I think is very very interesting because Romans 1 is a picture of our culture right now and Romans you know I remember as a as a kid reading Romans 1 you think wow must be so bad in those days you know and couldn't imagine what that would be like never knowing one day I'd be reading it applying to this culture and it's interesting you notice something when people reject God as creator and they worship the creation instead of the creator by the way I think that happens in California where they have the creation having dominion over man man works just the creation instead of having man having dominion over the creation and that affects your whole views of environmentalism it affects your whole views and you know for instance you know here's a problem and that is people who reject God believe everything natural is good but the Bible says everything is cursed and because they think everything natural is good you shouldn't you know touch these forests you shouldn't clear all this yeah you shouldn't try to backman or anything like that it really does affect your practical day to see because they have the wrong world view it's the same with even law enforcement you know there's this philosophy you know that man is basically good and because man is basically good improve his environment and he'll get better no the heart of man is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked man is basically wicked right and you have you have to help people deal with a wicked heart but you know when you read Romans 1 when they reject the creator and they worship the creation rather than the creator what do you find happening God turns him over to their depraved nature that sinful heart where it masters over them and you see it's there in Romans 1 the sexual revolution the homosexual revolution now we have the gender revolution and so it's that progression that occurs as man turns his back on God and we see it's applying to our culture today and we need to we don't understand what's happening because man has made himself God that's right and you know where that goes back to if you think about it Genesis 3 1 and Genesis 3 5 when the devil came to tempt Adam and Eve he said did God really say don't trust God's word you can't trust yeah you know the first attack was on God's word and then Genesis 3 5 you can be as God you be your own God and so that's our nature our nature is we want to be our own God and we've taken generations of kids through an education system that is thrown God out and they said man determines truth and the more man determines truth then that's the foundation that builds a worldview that says you know like the book of Judges 21 25 when there's no king no absolute authority everyone does what is right in his own eyes and so the more we take generations and teach them against God tell them man determines truth your your own God we will see moral relativism dominate our culture which is what we see exactly right and we seen what church attendance for generation Z is now less than 9% we see in a catastrophic generation loss from the church because so many pastors have not stood on the word of God have not stood on Genesis which is the foundation for everything do you know the first 11 chapters is a foundation for everything this is your homework this is your calling there's nothing it's not the foundation for and if that's true to deal with any issue you can name any issue Euthanasia fossils age of earth gender whatever it is you have to start from Genesis 1 to 11 it's the history God has given us it's foundational for everything which also means Genesis 1 to 11 is the key to being woke proof because once you once you have that foundation you know what you believe you know where it comes from and once you understand people who don't start from God's word start from man's word that's why they believe the way they are and then you understand something else to really deal with those worldview issues in our culture right that worldview cult clash ultimately and I don't want people misunderstand me I'm not saying you shouldn't be out there dealing with the abortion issue and the gay marriages we need to be right but ultimately to get people who have a worldview of moral relativism to have one of the Christian absolutes they have to have a heart and mind change from building their thinking on man's word to God's word because if that change doesn't occur ultimately you're not going to see the change in worldview it's so great because the natural man cannot discern the things in the spirit and yet they feel they feel so so true about where they're at that they've got to panic and say well that's your truth my truth is this truth and then they begin that path downward of trying to justify everything so you mentioned something about how California is a perfected environmental worship right now Elon Musk is going through a battle here in the state of California because the governor is trying to keep Elon from launching his rockets from Vandenberg Air Force Base claiming that it might be harmful to the environment it might be the same governor for example said we will not have water in our reservoirs because they're man-made reservoirs their man-made reservoirs in these canyons and in these areas and so because they're man-made we're not going to let water be backed up and filled even though they worked great for 50 years and lo and behold what happens when like you just said man-tampers and becomes God we have you know we have a chunks of Los Angeles burning down to the ground life being lost these policies are death and destruction because they do not follow the stewardship mandate given to us by God that look you've been to Europe I've been to Europe they don't have these problems in their forest because citizens are told when you walk through the woods in Germany you pick up a dead stick and they're forced or pristine you go to Sequoia or your somebody here and it looks like a dump all because the governor says you can't pick it up and it's a fire waiting to happen bad thinking and and you know what's interesting is that same governor says it's okay to murder children in the womb yeah not a problem that's not a problem at all it's like Peter saying we shouldn't eat animals but you can murder children in the womb that's okay and and you know it's interesting because when you have that evolutionary foundation right that there's no God everything came up by chance random processes and you don't believe man is made in the image of God then you have a world view that's that's the opposite of what we get from Scripture because with man-made in the image of God we certainly ought to look after the environment but use it for man's good and for God's glory and the dominion mandate which you just mentioned before God gave the dominion mandate that man was to look after the environment he has dominion over the animals dominion over the creation and because it's a cursed creation because sin has affected it we can improve it I love what you just said this is not said enough so many people Christians either don't think about it or they think wrong about it it was an act of mercy that God gave us and kept us as being the custodians of this world even as fallen as it is you're right man is God's ambassador representative to make things better in a very very bad place we can be even though we're fallen we can build the hospitals we can pick up the sticks so the forest doesn't burn down we can build dams we can build all we can do we can even I know it's shocker but there was a problem Ken you know you may not be aware but the Canadians who came down to help us with the fires they figured out wait a minute I'm put I'm flying around with these super scoopers there's homes here on the shoreline in Malibu burning I'll just put my plane down in the Pacific Ocean it's it's five hundred yards away and scoop up and they were scooping up the Canadians God bless them the Canadians thought wow there's the Pacific Ocean there's the fire I'm a super scooper and what happened the Pacific the the coastal commission they said well you can't do that you can't because you don't you could be sucking up fish you could hit a whale you could hit a dolphin we can't do that we can't let the homes burn in other words yeah we're not gonna put put humans might need me to God first we're we're gonna put the animal the creation first and again it's it's the creation having dominion of a man and you know you think about this we have doctors God is allowed us to have doctors why so they can help us overcome the effects of the curse now ultimately everyone dies so we can't overcome the ultimate end you're right they can mitigate but yeah we can take them to help with diseases they do operations because we know there's there's problems and we try to repair it and we and we try to make it the best we can it's right and yet with the environment it's the opposite they want to do that and so they're totally inconsistent and you know we've we've got to understand that they have rejected the creator God and God turns them over to foolishness that's what the Bible says to their to their prayed natures and they think there's something yeah we can see exactly because they just don't have that biblical worldview it's a secular worldview it's based on man's word and and they'll always be inconsistent always being consistent save this little fish but you can you can rip children up in their mother's words that's right that's you know if they're you what you should always look for for these people they cannot have a consistent worldview and they ultimately have to borrow from the Christian worldview because if they start talking about right or wrong women how do you decide what's right how do you decide what's wrong without an absolute authority you know anything goes without an absolute authority it's all subjective it's all relative why can you determine something's good or bad if one of those people even uses the word good stop them right there well I got in trouble one day it was in LA I had to go there for the interview I'm not going to mention the network but it's known to everybody and the issue was California politics and the church's involvement in the definition of marriage so you think about that for a moment God invents marriage it's in the Bible but what politicians do is they run into this topic or this issue and they raise a political flag over it and then they tell the church you can't speak to this and I just refuse to cooperate with that so I was in this interview in LA and I was asked by the interviewer you know there's a lot of dangerous homophobic positions and I said well that's not my position but as we're talking about this topic we have to remember that God made and I and I quoted Genesis 1 26 to 28 and the guy had mentioned well you know he didn't say back in those days he didn't say love is love but he he alluded he alluded to that and I said well you have to remember something that for life to continue on even if somebody has a an aberrant sexual lifestyle or desire they're going to have to borrow from normal to to have a family and exactly that guy that anchor man was livid at that comment are you telling me that these people are not normal and I said you have to borrow from normal to have a child and to pretend the property you have to borrow from the created order and you know you said something there was there was really important you said God defines marriage yes right God is the creator he creates all things I mean the very first verse of the Bible in the beginning God created he creates everything he owns everything he defines everything he defines marriage he defines gender he defines everything now if you think about what's happening in our culture right what is happening those who reject God and build their thinking on man's word because God owns everything and defines everything they then have to take what God has defined and then they redefine it within their own world view so they get to be God they get to be God and see we got to remember something the secular worldview a lot of people have the wrong idea about secular I don't think secular means neutral secular schools means neutral the Bible says you are the four Christ or against working light or darkness gather or scatter build your house on the rock of the sand so we really should replace the word secular with anti-God by the way imagine if we started doing that and getting people to say my kids go to the anti-God education system five hours a day but it'll shock them into reality and we need to do that yeah we should change it to anti-God it makes people realize my kids learn the anti-God worldview and the anti-God education system five hours a day what is that going to tell you about what your kids are learning and see what they do then is the anti-God worldview takes what God has done and they're going to redefine it and turn it in the opposite direction so they redefine marriage they redefine gender they redefine work because it's a doctrine of work they redefine the family they redefine dominion they redefine they redefine the life they take everything God has created and turn it around oh my goodness this is this is a great sermon material it is it really is absolutely awesome so none of this is rehearsed you guys we're not we haven't rehearsed any of this so what's what's driving you okay we talked about these issues what do you want to hit on next what what topic just well you know I let me say something that that I don't want people in this understanding and you can clarify if I don't put enough caveats in and that is this I am thrilled to see in government people turning things around in regard to morality okay now here's the thing though this is what we got to be really careful and I I'm gonna say we need more people in government who have a Christian worldviews like like our good friend Mike Johnson for instance and there's others right we need more of them there and people need to get more involved in school boards and other things to be salt and light right to that so I'm not in any way undermining that I'm absolutely endorsing that in fact I wrote articles telling people you need to get out there and remember you're not voting for a pastor or an elder that's right and so you can't use those qualifications okay but it's very important for the future of the nation and our freedoms and all the rest of it now having said all that government is not the answer that's right and too many people I think put their faith in government and legislature tragically it's important and God is all dang it's not the important but it's not the ultimate answer and so what I really want people to understand is the fact that if if you want to see a culture change that's right it's it only changes because of hearts and minds people change it and other words how do you ultimately change the culture because if you think about this has happened if you go back if you go back in history and look at the different administrations that come and go in government what do you notice they come and they're against abortion they come they're they're for abortion they're against they're for the ways of the sea it just changes back and forth back and forward so ultimately the only answer to deal with all these issues in an ultimate sense there's got to be a heart and mind change in regard to God in regard to his word in regard to the gospel because until people believe God's word and trust Christ for salvation and build their thinking on God's word in the long one we're not going to be successful and it has to be a person at a time who's heart and mind's change and the more that we go out and impact this person and that person and you start impacting this person and that person do you realize if every Christian in our churches went and won one person to the Lord it won't be long you'd be fighting over the non-Christians think about that think but those church numbers that were declining wouldn't yeah they would turn around it would exponentially exponentially change and you know we we need to be out there seeing lives changed hearts of minds change one at a time and then they change the culture that's right because then they get on school boards they get into congress they yeah get into senate they then start to change things because of who they are in the world view they have I love it 100% true um I've said this maybe once I'll say it again and this is okay hate mail is going to come but we worked really okay don't get hyped you should be asking what you're doing I so believe in what you just said that leading up to the elections um we did everything this this church was amazing a ballot collection which is legal in this state I know where you're from there's no such thing we mastered it literally tens of thousands of ballots brought in safely counted all legit all legal and California shockingly up and down the state went trending red powerfully so we're very excited about all that but I got to tell you Ken I looked around at the horizon and I listened to the dialogue of the of the culture and I told Lisa uh I I if I were God according the scripture he raises up kings and he takes down kings if I were God I would give America Kamala Harris as president I expected her to win Ken I I never told anybody that because I didn't want to get anybody all riled up or depressed I never said it publicly after the election I was shocked pleasantly happy God's mercy then the next thought with everybody celebrating I didn't jump up and down was I glad for the victory yeah yeah of course but even with all of the political powers and changes we're seeing happening right now I mean you're a hundred miles right now finally from a secure border we have a secure border just south of us that hasn't happened in so long that's that's good news that's great bottom line is and I'm so glad you said what you just said is the thought just overwhelmed when I told the church after the election policies are gonna change laws are gonna change with all of this victory not one heart has been changed by this victory because the change now if anything and I believe this if anything's gonna change it's got it's got to now happen from what's ever left of the church the the true church the true church yeah that's I think I think God gave us a little pause to see if the church will step up and evangelize make disciples and in that changing hearts because as you said politics have been have been flow that is the answer and yeah you know it's interesting I said something similar but let me tell what my prayer was before the election okay I said Lord I can understand why this nation deserves judgment it deserves people in power uh as a judgment on this nation because of the millions of children murdered in their mothers and he hates this shedding of an innocent blood and the sexual perversion and and I was thinking about you know I've heard people say it's sort of getting more like Sodom and Gomorrah but it was a little it's it's different to Sodom and Gomorrah and I tell you why because I've thought about this because I've had many people say to me yeah that it's so wicked we we're in the days of Noah I mean must be like the days of Noah and I would say actually it's not you know why because in the days of Noah there are only eight people that went on that out think about that the rest were judged only eight people true right and and there's millions of people even though there are minority even though there's a lot there's millions of people who love the Lord in this nation this is true and my prayer and it was a prayer of others that I talked to too was this Lord when Abraham was talking to you about Sodom and Gomorrah he started at 50 would you save would you save these cities for 50 yes uh what about point what about 30 and he gets down to 10 and God was even willing to save them for 10 but there wasn't even 10 right sometimes just a little side I wonder if that's why Abraham didn't go any lower because he knew he didn't save the world for eight oh my gosh um but he would have saved him for 10 and so I said Lord there's millions of righteous people in this nation and others were praying this as well so true um would you give this nation a reprieve for the sake of those people it's not like Sodom and Gomorrah there are millions who love you who stand on your work and and I agree with you I think God has given us a reprieve it's a window of opportunity and if God's people don't take it up this is it you could lose it I firmly believe that God did not pause this for for there to be a ra ra you know go go Trump go Republicans or go red or go whatever go moral I think God paused it although things I think God paused it to maybe say something like this hey church remember how you you were basically absent during covid how about one more chance and now I'm going to give you okay this guy Trump he's not gonna he's not gonna impose the Johnson Amendment so pastors you're free to say anything you want get out there and evangelize I gave you mercy and go and I can just almost hear God saying go go I really do believe that the church is the could be the shining star in the next two years if she receives her mantle back to preach the word unapologetically boldly boldly without compromise let the word of God stand on itself and you know and being loving yeah I mean telling the truth about gender the truth about marriage yes that's what being loving is telling the truth right in a gentle way but still telling the truth I'm boldly doing it but you know the parables Jesus told there was one very entrusted resources to people then he said I'm gonna go away but you do business till I return and we know what that means God's given us resources talents maybe a teacher or an artist or a musician or a doctor or a preacher or whoever or material resources that's true I've entrusted you with resources you use those resources until I return that's right and be on about the business of the king because that's the most important thing to be on about the business of the king don't hold up treasures for yourself on earth you use what God has entrusted and you know there's the other parable where we're entrusted basically money to people and he went away and when he came back this one said I invested it and and you know it built up this much and I invest and I was too frightened to invest it so I just kept it and and that person was chasing for what he did no you were supposed to go and use that right we are to use our talents we are to use the material resources that God has given us we're to use what he's given us because there's nothing more important than people know Christ nothing yeah absolutely um and can I give you a practical example and I know you you talked about you might get some hate mail I might get some hate mail over this one okay yeah we're an equal opportunity podcast by why say if you're not if you don't have opposition you should be saying what are you doing yeah I know people have said to us you know if you stand on the devil's toes he reacts you guys must be kicking them in the shins well good good then that's right but can I can I say this um and I want it as a challenge and I don't again I will say sometimes I have to put so many cabinets in my talk it's 90 percent caveats before do you know what I mean because people come up and say but do you you were saying this no I wasn't saying but you were implying no I wasn't because of the you got to put all these caveats in you know but anyway I personally but I want to use the pro life movement as an example of a problem yeah okay I would say that looking at it from a big picture perspective the pro life movement overall has really been failing in use and you look what's happened in America it it hasn't been that successful it's right I'll tell you why I believe that is I have gone and spoken of a number of pro life backwards and pro life groups and so on and what I found is a lot of these pro life groups particularly the bigger ones their main emphasis is saving babies don't give me wrong they're main emphasis is saving babies but I support the pro life groups their main emphasis is teaching them about God's word salvation showing them the love of God and saving babies because if you're not ultimately on about the gospel then ultimately it won't work so Ken I'm honored that the church that that we're at believes in that 100 percent to to this level so we're all about saving babies and we're all about saving or changing legislation absolutely regarding babies and you talked about stewardship a moment ago we're really big on we don't believe a Christian can not vote because in a republic it's an opportunity that God has given you and the freedom and there's responsibility to affect the culture by your voting it's not just your material and it's not just your hands it's voting also having said that I agree having said that when we the ministry that we have here it says this it gives people the gospel it goes to the abortion clinics plan parenthood and such and it it's primary foundation and vision and word is the gospel this is the reason why you should save your baby exactly okay now watch this this is where I'm just thrilled with these people when the mom to be says okay I want my sins forgiven and yeah okay I'm gonna save this baby we believe that we should not we should not go that far down the road without going all the way meaning a lot of these young kids they don't have the wherewithal to bring the baby to full term they don't have the the medicine they don't have the care I mean real practical care they don't have the the transportation they don't have the housing and we believe that we provide that so much so that it wasn't too long ago some of some of the people behind the cameras here might remember it just so happened that this this woman was saved at a I mean saves born again at a plan parented here in Southern California she was a young black girl who couldn't go home her dad said you're not welcome this home pregnant the guy she doesn't know who the guy is she gets saved the church picks her up and starts bringing her to church she moves into into into a home with one of the families we've got pictures of her being baptized at pirates cove with this big baby belly the baby is born and lo and behold taking care of remarkably all this stuff and one of them and that seems to me like every church has got somebody like this or more one gentleman said I don't want my I don't want my name known I don't want my name anywhere but I want to know who this kid is and I want to set up right now a savings account for this child and I'm going to deposit this amount of tens of thousands of dollars in this account that it will grow and this kid can have access he wrote in all this stuff like it was his own kid that's the body of Christ doing love you can talk love but when you talk love you better be ready to follow through a do love practically absolutely and I mean that's incredible and incredible story there which should be a lesson for people you know using your resources to do the business let me give you another example in regard to our own ministry okay because I get accused a lot of times of being oh you're one of those young earth creationists well I actually hate the term young earth creationist don't don't get me wrong okay I'm a young earth creationist but I don't like people saying it like that I'll tell you why they make out that the most important thing to us is young earth it is not that's right the most important thing to us is God's word and the gospel yeah and now why are we on about a young earth because of the consequence of believing scripture and why are we against evolution because of what God's word says and so on right and so the reason we're in a creation apologetics ministry and dealing with issues of the age of the earth and and all of these other things fossils and ape men and and so on is because they're used today to attack biblical authority that's right but I've always positioned our home ministry as being one about biblical authority in the gospel always you've never encouraged let me add one other thing to that a lot of people can and again I'll go put those caveats in you know I need 50 caveats right now but a lot of people get enamored by the intelligent design movement okay and there's some great scientists in the intelligent design movement and we use intelligent design arguments we would use some of their same intelligent design arguments when we talked about DNA you know in DNA is an information system and language system and and information only comes from an intelligence language only comes from intelligence matter can't produce information or code and and so that's intelligent design there's obviously a designer but the problem with the intelligent design movement to me is sort of in a different sort of way analogous to just saving babies yes in other words yeah it's not actually an answer you're not going out and telling them who did the designer is right and if you don't teach them from God's word they could look at this creation and say look at all the deaf and suffering and disease and horrible things going on and fires that destroy all these homes and people die what kind of God is that is it must be an ogre that's why we never ever should be divorcing God's word and the gospel from all of the arguments that we're using because ultimately that's what it's all about so it's the same in the creation evolution issue and then all these moral issues whether it's the gender issue the gay marriage issue the abortion issue the euthanasian issue whatever it is we should always be on about God's word and the gospel you're making me think I'm gonna this thought just came into my head you've probably already mastered this one so with what you just said the gospel is chief among all that we think say and do why because it is the eternal answer it's the forever answer and it's the answer that God is looking for that said where in your opinion of scripture where was the first manifestation of the good news in your opinion Genesis 3 15 yes that's it right there okay wait I know that verse but hang on could it be possibly even sooner let me look look I'm being well this is scary it's happening right here on film right now I'm experimenting with myself so okay the Bible does say Christ was sacrificed before the foundation of the world okay but I'm talking that true but okay and everything at the end of Genesis 1 we're told everything was very good right so there was everything was very good so in that sense okay we didn't have the gospel so when man sinned yep as soon as man fell yep what did God do he said I'm going to treat between you in the world you will see it her said he and then Genesis 3 21 that's Genesis 3 20 Genesis 3 21 really killed animals and gave them coats of skins that's it and that's the setup of the sacrificial system okay sorry you are so right I was wrong my when you were talking the about the gospel my mind jumped to the first manifestation of the gospel had to be the sacrificial animal that covered Adam and Eve that was a forte that was a model but then you correct you corrected me and you're exactly correct that came after 3 15 didn't it yes Genesis 3 15 and it's written in cryptic language right I would feel the Bible being we call it the easy word you put the pro to call it the proto evangelism in other words it's the proto gospel because I'll put everything you and the woman you'll see it her see it is your bruise your hair your bruises heal love it and it's talking about the seed of the woman which we look back now and we know is Christ and the battle between the devils offspring and those who are gods right and then we have the seed of the woman who is Christ and then you'll bruise his heel he you will wound him it'll be a fatal wound but he will bruise your head he will conquer you so it's the whole gospel in one verse it is so awesome and what's beautiful about that is if I remember right that Hebrew word can be translated bruise a crush so you can survive the head of the serpent you can survive a heel crushing but you cannot survive a head crushing right exactly exactly awesome wonderful and and you know what else is interesting that's the origin of clothing in Genesis 321 what do we wear clothes go get clothes because of sin and then when you think about that those coats of skins can't take away our sin because the blood of bulls and goats can't take away our sin and they can only those clothes only cover our sin so to speak well they covered their shame and nicotine which is pointing to the ultimate sacrifice of all Jesus Christ right and here's another important point why can't the blood of bulls and goats take away our sin because we're not connected to the animal kingdom right because man has made an image of God animals what is evolution teach we're all connected to the animal kingdom so we've got to make sure we teach that man is separate and we actually should have a separate kingdom for man we shouldn't put him in the animal kingdom it's true because we need to be teaching our kids in our schools and homes use the criterion made in the image of God and man is separated out that's a great right kingdom of man the man the man kingdom yeah which which then helps us understand more about the abortion issue because we're making the image of God right from fertilization and this was pointing to the ultimate sacrifice usually sacrifice animals over and over again thousands tens of thousands but they couldn't take away our sin that's why God's son called the last Adam takes a place of the first Adam this is important where you said he said that correct folks there's the first Adam there's the last Adam there's not the first Adam and the second Adam if you have a first Adam and a second Adam you can have a third Adam he was Adam was the first Adam and Jesus was the last Adam there's not another Messiah going there's not another Savior there's no no no another another Adam he he is called the second man because there are only two perfect men Adam and Christ but there's only one last Adam you take a place for the first Adam to the first Adam sin came death through the last Adam's death comes life and then as Christians we're clothed in the righteousness of the Lord Jesus Christ which covers ours right and so the picture in Genesis clothed in animal skins at first by sacrifice pointing to the fact we need to be clothed in the righteousness of the Lord Jesus Christ which is why I believe we wear white robes before the throne of God you know it's interesting I don't know if this is true and I mean so in our journey to Israel we've been many many times somewhere along that route like we're prone to do is get into discussions with rabbis certainly by the whaling wall or the old city you'll bump into a rabbi conversations will be struck up and so years ago I thought this was fascinating years ago and think about think about first John as I say this first John walking the light as he is in the light so these rabbis were saying that Adam and Eve they walked with God in the garden which is so you and I get that immediately that you they walked with Christ they walked with God it's relational no religion involved I think it was the first theophany I do too you know it's only thing that makes sense and so they believed they told us they believe that Adam and Eve though they had no clothing on they were clothed in light because God is light and they believe that they wore light and you think about well that's that's crazy well wait a minute we now come post atonement post resurrection where God has given us his restoration project right of sanctification by the Holy Spirit all that's all that wonderful work that he's doing but work of redemption yes but all that takes place all that all that takes place because we walk with him now and you think about how you and I yes were clothed in his righteousness but I want to believe what those old rabbis had said how cool is that that Adam and Eve when they ate the fruits something went out something the some I mean no clothes fell off of them something happened for them to say oh my gosh are we naked it's amazing to think yeah something happened something happened for them to say well let's go hide we have to sew fig leaves together to hide out they were no longer clothed in line you said something there too if I again you know I don't know how much more time I got it but I know I'd like to go for hours but anyway so you said they looked at the fruit and can I tell you what I think a big problem we have today because what was Adam and Eve's sin you know the devil came and said did God really say okay so God said to Adam and of course Adam gets the blame for sin that's why through Adam sin can't be dead because he was given the instruction not to eat the food of the tree right and he was there when Eve took the fruit probably I don't know I sometimes thought what was he doing now still yeah or he was saying you know because the Bible says and his husband who was with her she was saying Adam I'm gonna eat this Adam are you listening or I'm gonna eat this oh he was there saying well see if she dies or she doesn't die then you know if she does I'll just you God to make me another one you know but anyway the Bible says they looked at the fruit she looked at the fruit and it was good to the eyes here's we tend to be if I can explain what I mean by this evidentialist at heart because of that sin nature of Adam here's what we tend to do we look at the evidence and try to interpret it ourselves instead of starting with God's word to interpret it no don't touch it don't eat it don't eat it that was the instruction don't eat it but when did she eat it if you think about it right is this where you're going no I was I was going to a different place so so they looked at the evidence instead of looking to God's word and interpreting the evidence on the basis of God's word what pretend to do because most churches haven't trained us to think in a true biblical worldview starting from God's word how do you fit dinosaurs with the Bible how do you fit death and suffering with with alarming God how do you fit fossils with the Bible no you don't look at the evidence and take man's interpretation which many do and then just and then they say well Genesis can't be true you've got to start from God's word to interpret it there's some good people that love the Lord but they get their science ahead of their theology well then it depends what you mean by science okay take that back you're exactly correct that was that I shouldn't have said it that way because science will be an absolute harmony with the words true science you know in on the 4th of February 2025 it was the 11th anniversary and when I debated Bill Nye the Science guy at the creation museum wow so who did not watch that if you've not seen that you got to see it and what first thing I did was he used he said this is science versus the Bible I said no you got to find the word science good science comes from the latin ciancia which means to know science means knowledge and then I said there's two types of knowledge when it comes to using the word science there's knowledge about the past when you weren't there you beliefs about the past in other words you beliefs about origins right but there's knowledge again using your five senses to enable you to to repeat your observations and build technology that's right and what's happened in our culture people have been brainwashed because the secularists use one word science for millions of years and evolution and the same word science for our technology and people have brainwashed into thinking if I don't believe in evolution of millions of years I'm rejecting the science and build technology instead of understanding wait a minute the word science is knowledge and just because a scientist may be good at building some you know a jet airplane or a space shuttle or computer doesn't mean you can believe what they say about origins because that's totally different and remember you can't ignore the fact that a scientist is not a neutral person in a white lab coat searching for truth they are people who have have viruses they are people who have a sinful heart and they're not they're they're hard if they're not regenerate and trusting the Lord even those who do still have this problem that we need to continue to look at his word because our heart won't doesn't want us to search for truth. I so believe what you just said that now it's my turn to get in trouble somebody may be highly intelligent but have no wisdom in applying what they know to this argument because if if you think about it if someone does not have that biblical worldview foundation not the not brainwashing some were talking about we're talking about an actual biblical worldview foundation much like John Adams saying this constitution this government in America only works for a moral and a religious people it is wholly inadequate for the governance of any other think about that for a moment what's the foundation according to John Adams this government's not going to work unless you are a moral people and a religious people it's not going to work think about if someone does not have a biblical worldview foundation and they approach science they immediately have a problem because what you just said and I'll sum up is can you repeat it can it can we build from it is it really something that is reliable they come in not even caring about that they come in because they're going to try to find bits and pieces to back up their anti-god view no matter what they have to do and so here's my here I guess here's my statement I wanted to make when you look back at Newton and others who had a biblical worldview foundation they had no they didn't they didn't come to the data to attack it they came into that they were they were discovering they were like they were like travelers arriving at this discovery of information and they interpreted through the existence of this grand designer this grand god this redemptive god this loving god this caring god and wasn't it the prochipia that that somebody had asked Newton something to the effect well now that you've written this and it's so stunning the spectacular um this is explained away god and he said it's the exact opposite because science doesn't science only tells you how things work and Newton you know as class is the greatest scientist of all time and I forget I'm sort of trying to think of my brain was either Newton or Johannes Kepler I think it was Newton who said we're just thinking god's thoughts after him there was one of those who said that and you know that fits with what is scripture say the fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom and I'm always it reminded and this this this can sort of sum up what I mean saying here with you too I'm reminded of Job because I think every one of us has to get to the position Job got to because if you think what happened all these things happened to Job and he had you know a lot of wrong advice from people and then he basically wanted to justify who he was before God you know what we're a pretty good person and you know someone and God said Job yeah listen to this and so on Job 38 39 40 41 he goes through do you know this you know that were you there when this happened can you do this can you do that what about this this do you know this and then in 42 it's so important I think for every single Christian to get to this position 42 Job says I've seen things and so but now I see you for who you are you can do all things you know you know everything I know I know nothing compared to you I repent in dust and ashes we have all got to that position because you know pride puffs up and the Bible says big probably have his pride we think we know a lot right knowledge puffs up and we've all got to get this position that compared to God you can have a million PhDs and you know nothing compared to God that we have got to say I've got to let you be God I got to start from your word you know I've had these theologians some of them say to me well you know how can you have how can you have light before the sun I mean day one it says there you know let they be light and and if you take the Bible literally God didn't make the sun till day four well light can have different sources whatever well and he is light but and here's my question could not an infinite creator God who's all powerful who knows everything when he says let they be light why can't I believe let they be light exactly because he did it exactly so what's wrong with that that's right you know I don't have to have when they say where the light come from I say what God doesn't tell us but he said they what he said so so why can't we all want it just seems people want this natural explanation for everything and so funny because they think it'd be littles their intelligence when they I can't believe that's silly right well how did well how did Jesus raised us from the dead I mean he had to he had to restore all these DNA all his muscle time right all the connection between the eye and the brain or how do you do that I have no idea how he did that except he did it he did it and he said he's come forth because he's gone he's got he can do anything he wants and he doesn't have to he doesn't have to answer to us and that's why we've got to start from his word yep to build our worldview for many Christians the Bible is a book of spiritual things moral things relationships out here that they sort of try to add to their thinking or like many many Christian schools take secular textbooks and try to add God from the top of course they do it's horrible you've got to start from the foundation of God's word to build a true biblical worldview yeah absolutely awesome can it's been a pleasure can you tell the people because I want everybody to go why should people come to the creation museum and why should people see the arc and counter well the creation museum and the arc and counter are the two leading Christian theme detractions in the world no doubt and they really make the Bible come alive for all ages and not only that but we have all sorts of exhibits and all sorts of ways that answer the questions that cause people to doubt God's word you know I call Genesis 3 1 you know where says did God really say I say that's the Genesis 3 attack and there's been Genesis 3 attacks down through the ages it's always an attack on God's word but manifests itself in different ways because a devil changes the way does it's the same the same attack God's word but changes the way it's done and in our era particularly since the 1800s there's been an incredible attack on Genesis 1 to 11 because the teaching of evolution millions of years has permeated the world and so all those questions people I say how do you know there's a God and how could know I get the animals on the arc and well where to come get his wife and what about the eight men and how explain fossils and what about the dating methods and what about the ice age and the dyes so we go through all of that actually the museum is a whole walk through the Bible and then we have the most powerful pro life exhibit in the world we have a 4d theater and a planetarium and an insectarium and a dinosaur exhibit and we we just opened the only conservatory in the world that exhibits a plants of the Bible full mass of glass greenhouses and it presents a gospel just what we saw just what we saw at the museum regarding your grounds the gardens they're beautiful I mean seriously you can just pull one leaf off of any of those ferns or those trees or whatever and put under a microscope you you'd have to walk away seeing God you're amazing yeah exactly absolutely awesome exactly and you know we also and we have a lot more there as well we have an abysip lines because you know Christians can have fun too I love your zip lines and then at the arc encounter a life size Noah's arc built to the dimensions in the Bible it's one and a half times a length of a football field half the width of a football field and it stands ten stories height about three points three million boardfeet of timber you can walk through all three decks 130 exhibits answering questions presenting the gospel and we have a zoo we have a zoo at the creation museum we do live animal programs from biblical worldview we have a zoo and live animal programs and children's zoo at the arc encounter we have a carousel we have a virtual reality ride we have auditoriums at both places do concerts do programs during the day teaching programs and you know what's interesting we from statistics from research we've done 30% of those who come are non-Christians and if you just take the archa load right between the arc in the creation museum right now we're getting about 1.5 million total visits a year as people come from all over the world I've been there and seen Sikhs Buddhists Hindus Muslims Orthodox Jews Menonites Amish Catholic nuns all sorts of priests Orthodox priests even Baptists even Baptist even Calvary even Calvary and Calvary people an odd United Methodist or to say we saw these people but you know what we do all sorts of different things but the whole purpose of them is to say God's Word is true and the gospel based in God's Word is true you can't go away having not heard the gospel the research that we've done thousands and thousands and thousands people research to bend to the arc and the creation museum just the arch alone do you know how many have said that they committed their life to the Lord Jesus Christ became Christians because they came just to the ark not even the church museum I don't know but I'm not surprised 6.3% which works out to be over 60,000 a year oh my gosh how many how many other places are seeing that so no no nobody sees the impact it is amazing it's amazing and you know we do during the year we do the biggest Christian music festival in the world 40 days of Christian music we bring in these artists and we do a concert at three o'clock then we do 30 minutes Bible teaching presentation of the gospel and then another concert and we do that for 40 days at the ark and last year and we challenge people to trust Christ for salvation at the end of that 30 minute Bible teaching time and because their hearts have been prepared they've already been to the ark and so on last year just from that challenge and we give them a Bible and so on and it's it we believe those commitments are sincere there were 2,500 committed their lives to the Lord just at those just at those concerts in 40 days and over 60,000 a year as a statistics for the ark and then there's those at the museum as well it is happening incredible impact absolutely well listen friends you do I'm not kidding you really need to go to these two locations they're when you go there you need to make some good plans because it's a they're they're a little bit of a distance from each other something like 40 45 minutes 45 minutes apart this region of Kentucky Kentucky is absolutely gorgeous and beautiful I believe you fly into Cincinnati if you're going to be taken in an airplane yep so Cincinnati at puts in Kentucky you know I didn't know that people people people get confused yeah well we landed I thought I've never been to Ohio before and the guy said you're still not in Ohio this is Kentucky the creation the creation museum is in northern Kentucky and since in 80 airports 10 minutes from the museum in Kentucky you got to go make it a family thing just go you will not be disappointed you'll be radically impressed the things that well I put it to people this way forgive me for for saying it this way but when people say should I go well have you been to Disneyland oh yeah and I said well listen then you must go because Disney's got nothing on the arc encounter or the creation museum I mean that literally there are the the technology that you guys employ the the the the the attractions the whole thing quality and everything and when non-work zero well just fact and awesome so how do people stay in touch with you how do the people find out more well they can go to answers and genesis dot org answers in genesis dot org is our main website and if they want to find out about the creation museum or the arc encounter they can just google us we have you know arcencounter dot com creation museum dot org but answers and genesis dot org is our main website now tell you something else we're doing right now there'll be great for the kids at your school great for families is to do we we have now got AI on our website answers and genesis dot org so that if you log in and do an account for an account just need to email address in the password that's it and you get an account and so you're logged in there's a little chat box comes up and so your children can go on there and say how to know get the animals on the arc or whatever and AI oh wow AI only is it's only confined to our our all the thousands of articles you guys control that AI to control them because we've fenced it in nice and the AI will go and summarize the articles and give you a little answer and so great for your kids to use this so so this can be used homeschoolers and absolutely teachers of brave anybody yeah i didn't know that yeah that's awesome um it's just we're still developing it's sort of in the body of testing page but it's working really well so great i we got to wrap this up rather than too much fun i remember walking through somewhere you were taking us and there's this huge screen and you can see people placing orders from various parts of the world you can see an order coming in from Shanghai or from Sydney do you remember when i'm at you it's like a film center where it shows it shows all the people coming to our websites and it makes us it'll show you where they're going on our website and what provides they're using a sign and by the way we do ship out materials from our warehouses it's it's not amazon size uh we have many amazon but you know what you know amazon doesn't have an art it used to be that uh we would you know have the UPS fans and FedEx and then back up now we have tractor trailers back up there's so much material got pallets of material impacting people every day all over the world amazing absolutely amazing so you guys we've been talking to Ken Ham is the CEO and founder of answers and Genesis you've got to find them on the web you've got to go visit them um just love love the the commitment to the word of God let the word of God speak to you and so um love this guy love what he's doing and so listen as always it's time uh we believe that it's time for you to live out what you believe in that it's time for real life so God bless you in your walk with Jesus always amen thank you thank you this jack hips podcast as well as all the broadcast outreach opportunities are listener supported will you consider partnering with us through a special gift go to jackhibs.com to learn more and stay connected