Special Guest: Pastor Robert Jeffress

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We have with us today in a sense a founding father. Oh my, I'm old. No, no, not not by age, but by helping us with this vision. As soon as we started talking about getting away from the cancel culture, and how can we continue to promote the gospel without fear? Robert Jeffress was one of those very, very foundational guys, thus the founding father, where we had to have him on. And there's a handful of people. And I mean a handful that this program is dedicated to safe, biblically sound teaching without drama. And Robert Jeffress is an icon in the Christian Church, a prolific author. I am not going to name the news program as you have been on, but you've been on all of them. And you are a frontline warrior. I want to welcome you to today's program. And congratulations on real life now. We're excited to be a pastor. We are blessed. And so one of the things right out of the gate, let's try to get your book sales up and over the charts here. And that is tell us about your most recent book that you've written. Yeah, it's called What Every Christian Should Know. And it's subtitled Ten Court Believes for Standing Strong in a Shifting World. And this is really an update of a book called Basic Christianity that John Stott wrote. What I've done, Jack, is go back and look at the Ten Court foundational truths of his sport Christianity. And why we should embrace those truths in a changing world. You know, I'm sure you've heard all of the polls. You read them regularly about how many Christians are falling away from basic truth. 50% of Christians say that Jesus was not sinless. 60% of evangelical say there's more than one way to heaven other than faith in Christ. And I have to ask myself, why is that? It's because they're not hearing these truths. They're hearing them in New Church, but they're not hearing them in most churches. So this book is a call back to those ten basic beliefs about God, salvation, the Holy Spirit, and so forth. Well, he was an amazing thing about what you're saying is somebody who might think that they are a mature, rooted grounded Christian will hear a book title like yours and even the comments that you just made. And they're going to think, I don't need that. And yet I'm reminded that Peter said, it's really important to me that I write to you guys again. And when people make the assumption, oh, Pastor Robert, I've got that noun or I've got that down. Well, we've discovered certainly since COVID, people could say something. They could say that they believed in something. Whatever that is. If you were to ask them, what is being born again mean? We encountered people who didn't work Christian, but couldn't even tell you what being born again meant. They didn't understand, what's the function of the Holy Spirit? What is the value? What do I need to read my Bible often? I think that it's been the pulpits that have created. What did Spurgeon say that we in his day that we have we have preachers preaching sermonettes for Christianettes? Yeah. And I think I think when I say we, I don't mean you and I, but we as pastors have created a flock that is undersurning. They don't have boldness. They doubt the word of God. They're wondering why they read the book of Acts and all these powerful things are happening, but it's not happening to them. And some people want to blame God for being sleepy. Yeah. And it's exact opposite. And if we don't know the truth, we can't pass it on to our children. I mean, like somebody said, every civilization is only one generation away from barbarism. Why'd changes say we're only one generation away from atheism. I mean, right now 50% of Americans say they're not sure there is a God. 50%. Why is that? Because they threw COVID a lot of it. They got disconnected to the church. You know, you take a piece of cold. It remains on fire when it's in the fireplace. You separated. It grows cold very quickly. And so I think there's a need for good biblical doctrinal preaching. And I would say to people watching right now, if you don't know how to explain the Holy Spirit to your children, who he is and what he does, if you don't know why we can know that the Bible is the Word of God. Here's a book for you that you can pass this truth on to your children. This is an off-the-wall question, but maybe not. Does the book stand alone, Robert, or do you see any need for maybe a children's version? I think we will do a children's version of it. We're in talks about that. There's a study guide that goes along with the book. It's great for small group model studies, Sunday school class, curriculums, and books. So I just want to encourage everybody to go to, in fact, I didn't ask you, where would people find all of your books and all of your teachings? Amazon.com. Amazon.com for the books. Tell us a little bit about the remarkable story of you being the senior pastor of First Baptist Church of Dallas, Texas. I love it. First Baptist Dallas has been in downtown Dallas, six blocks of downtown Dallas for 155 years. Many people don't know Billy Graham, which is a member of our church for 54 years. Even though he lived in North Carolina, he wanted to be at First Baptist Dallas because of our history of biblical teaching and the biblical foundation. But anyway, I grew up in the church. The church had two pastors in a hundred years, 50 years each. George W. Truett and W. A. Chris Wall, two pastors in a hundred year. So there's a strong foundation there and I grew up in the church and 16 years ago got to come back and be the pastor of that great church. And to God be the glory, but under your leadership, what has that church grown into today? Well, it was interesting. The church was in a period of decline and downtown church, all the churches had gone to the suburbs, but God wasn't finished with First Baptist Dallas. We ended up doing the largest building program in modern church history in the midst of the recession in 2008. Our people gave $135 million, completely debt-threatening. We blew up all of the buildings. I watched it happen again. Yeah, Fox and France carried that same bloat. But anyway, I give the glory to God for what he did. We have a new campus. God is blessing the church with all kind of new members. We have been just truly blessed by God. So I'm curious if you saw this as I did. In our area of Southern California, when COVID hit, you've got to remember we were under the heel of Caesar, either Lord Newsom or Caesar Gavin, whatever, but he just refused to recognize. He had this essential, non-essential, and immediately, I mean, within the first week we were asking his office, where do you place the churches in California? Where do you place the churches? He wouldn't answer. Yeah, this fellow wouldn't answer. We have since learned that that's his tactic. If he's approached on an issue, he backs away. It's interesting. He won't speak. So I sent him a video and for it was about 12 minutes long and I told him with all due respect and with honor to the office of Governor in California, I've been a native Californian, but a citizen of heaven, we're opening up our church. We can't. We've been doing this media thing for a moment that's not working. We need to help the community. Well, our mayor in the city council went nuts. They loved us. And then our county board of supervisors, they said, any heat you get, send any letters to us. They took care of us. Well, frankly, Newsom didn't do a thing about it, which we're grateful for, but the point is this, that the church in California is ignored. I'm going to tell you why it's ignored. A lot of people don't realize this. There are some really powerful ministries in California. It's not recognized because you know how how media will black you out or cancel you out. So you've got ministries like Dr. David Jeremiah. For forever, we had Dr. Charles Swindall with us before he went to Texas. We had Greg Laurie, Chuck Smith, on and on. It goes. But what happened was when COVID hit, there were a handful of churches that stayed open. And those churches that stayed open, Robert, is an interesting thing that happened. People flocked to those churches. The sheep went looking for food. When the churches that stayed closed for say a year or whatever it was, when they reopen, and I'm curious what happened in Texas, when they reopen in California, they reopened woke. They reopened BLM. They reopened absolutely apologetic. And they wound up imploding. And some of those founders since left handed it over to new people. But the churches that did stay open, they got super blessed. We saw exactly the same thing. Super blessed churches that stayed closed a year. They could never figure out how to reopen again and so forth. They lost their members. He stumbled. And you know, you would at least hope pastors thought their church was essential. Well, but if they didn't, then boy, I don't want to be mean about this. But let's just be two pastors talking to one another here. If if a pastor doesn't see, when somebody comes out and announces that I'm not going to mention his name, when he comes out and says right from the get go, we're not going to open our church until next Easter. Well, that's like a year and a half away. Yeah. First of all, what made him say that second of all? It's what about your flock? What about those that are hurting? And look, Jack, I mean, it's one thing if everybody is closing and being a good neighbor, but when they are persecuting the church and simply not the church, we have to do exactly what you did and you set the standard for a lot of churches. You and I watched the news, not that the news drives us, but we we were looking at what was happening. And you got to remember, people may let people forget that when this initial thing, I think Trump said, give us 15 days. Give us 15 days. We thought the news coming out of China, we thought people would be dead on the streets. We were seeing videos of people in various parts of China laying in the streets. Well, then we were asked 15 days, the flat in the curve. After that, we began to see experts, they could not agree. And then it's like, okay, we've got to do what God's called us to do, but to see what's happened since I I personally believe it's my opinion that the COVID event God used it. I'm not saying God sent it. I'm not saying I'm not what that's his business, but I will say that God used it. And what we saw in California was that it was like a winnowing. Yeah. The wheat from the chaff because since that time, the churches in California, there's a steel spine in those churches that stayed open. Yeah. It's really awesome and encouraging to say the truth. And by the way, that's one of the things we talk about in the book. It's one of the chapters. There's whatever Christians should know about the church. What most people forget is the local church is not man's idea. It was God's idea. God created the church. It is essential. You can't grow as a Christian apart from involvement in a local church. And I we saw the same thing in our church. The machine metal is gone. They're gone. They're not coming back. And we're not going to miss that. You know, they know what you're at. They know what you preach and teach. They can come back when they want, but you're not going to go change your messaging. You're not going to alter the word of God to bring them back. And I'll just tell you some of the good that comes in and you've seen it as well. Our internet ministry, I campus exploded on Easter Sunday that first COVID. When President Trump announced he was going to watch our service. Yes. We had a million and a half viewers. We had 30,000 who were saved. And they haven't gone away. I mean, they stayed with us. And so it's been a blessing. I would never have dreamed it up or planned it. But God used it for you. And look, you and I agree that there was some, there was some. Now we, by the way, we heard it this week from the CDC that that 6% 6% of the COVID deaths reported were actually COVID deaths reported 6%. The other percentage was those being reported as COVID death, but they had co morbidity issues. Having said that, you know, we're sorry for any death. But the bottom line is I love the fact that you are so committed. You will not waver. You are inspiration to me and millions of other people. And it's an honor to be with you. Before we wrap this up, just give a barrage. Let have Robert Jeffers barrage us with again the book. If you can, as memory provides, go through highlights of the chapters that would help us promote your book beyond the walls of this conference. Well, it's called whatever Christians should know. Ten court beliefs for standing strong in a shifting world. You know, the truth is, Jack, cultures change, opinions change, God's word never changes. And the first chapter is the foundational chapter. Most people were surprised. I didn't start with Jesus Christ. What every Christian should know about Jesus Christ. That's a second chapter. The first chapter is what every Christian should know about the Bible. The truth is, apart from the Bible, we would know a lot about Jesus. Yeah, there's some external evidence he existed. We wouldn't know he rose from the dead. We wouldn't know about the miracles. We wouldn't know about his bleeding death on the cross on our behalf. That's all from the Bible that we know that. So every doubt that a person has begins the same way it began in Genesis 3 when Satan slithered up to the woman and said, has God really said. And my own life, the Christ's time as a college student, was when I listened to professors at a Christian college talk about the contradictions in the Bible, the errors in the Bible. And I came to the point I said, if this Bible is filled with errors, why do I want to spend the rest of my life teaching it? And I almost walked away from Christianity as well as the ministry because I didn't have a firm foundation in the Bible. Unfortunately, some people showed me why you don't have to commit intellectual suicide to become a Christian and believe the Bible. So I would say of all the chapters, this chapter is the most important. And by the way, your kids are gonna ask you, your grandkids, mom, dad, grandpa, why do you believe the Bible? How can I know it's true? So I would get the book, whatever Christian should know just for that first chapter. Everything else, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, sin, salvation, the church, it's all built on that foundational first. So before we wrap this up, you know this, a big, big part of now today's books is audio books. Will it be available on audio? Yes, on Amazon.com. On Amazon.com. Listen, everybody, we have with us Pastor Robert Jeffress, pastor, long time pastor, a first Baptist church in Dallas, Texas. If you're ever in the Dallas area, you gotta go. I was there late one night at about 11 o'clock and I walked around six city blocks just to pray and to thank God for the ministry of Robert Jeffress. His ministry online, on air, on TV is pathway to victory. And we love it. And in fact, coming down from my hotel room down to this meeting here, he was on air. And so listen, we are grateful. Robert Jeffress, we love you brother. Thanks for all you do. Thank you, brother. Take care. Bye-bye. This Jack Kibb's podcast as well as all the broadcast outreach opportunities are listener supported. 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