Women's Rights, Trump, and Truth

Real Life presents the Jack Hibbs podcast with intention and boldness to proclaim truth, equip the saints and impact our culture. Everybody we're gonna have an amazing time with a very special guest, a woman that has my utmost respect as she takes on the cultural warrior-type issues of our day-to-day battle right here in America. So stay tuned you'll find out who that is in the room. You can get the outlines of this podcast by going to jackhibbs.com slash podcast. Today if this podcast lifts you up and encourages you to live a more fulfilled life in Christ then make sure you leave us one of those five star ratings. To us that's like saying amen or yes then that rating will encourage others to listen. Now open your hearts to what God's word has to say to you. Here is Jack Hibbs. Well welcome to this podcast and we are going to have a tremendous time together today and you're going to see the reason why it's going to be filled with energy, insight, wisdom and frankly what I love so much activism and you heard me right. Yes I'm a pastor but I believe that Christianity and our faith is active. It should make a big difference. Faith is a verb and it should be moving and we have with us today Penny Nance who has been a mover and shaker in the social and cultural battlefield in America when it comes to women's rights when it comes to Supreme Court justices being approved or nominated or campaigned for when it comes to what's going on in your local culture as a community and nationally. Penny has her hands on everything and we're impressed by her. She is the CEO and president of the Concerned Women for America and so I'm honored we are honored to have with us Penny Nance. Thank you. Oh my goodness. I appreciate that. That's a lot for a preacher's kid from Appalachia, graduate of Liberty University get to be here with you. Yes actually serve on their border trustees now which means a lot but it's just a deep honor to be here with you Pastor Hibbs and to have been with you last night talking about support for Israel. Just what a wonderful church you have an incredible ministry and I'm grateful to be here with you. Well thank you. The people at the church I pastor make it very easy for me to pastor there as you saw last night and they're out in force. She's referring to an evening that we just hosted stand with Israel and so we had a tremendous time together and Nancy led the congregation in specific prayer points and it was powerful but we're here today to talk about what is on your heart. What is burdening your ministry, your heart and what needs to be said at a time like this. We're living in very very yes you know to us it's bizarre days but yet these are days that have been announced in scripture. Yes we're not surprised by these days but share with us what's what's burning in your heart? Well you know I think I see a slush I think said it so well there's no neutral ground in the universe. Every square inch and every split second is claimed by God and counterclaimed by Satan and that's really the crux of the battle that we're in and it's been since the beginning of the time since the fall of man and here we are and many of these battles aren't even new. Most many of your viewers maybe know Beverly Lehigh founded Concern Women for America in 1979 from here in California and then they moved the operation, the organization to Washington DC but they started these women these faithful Christian women came together in 1979 to stand up for truth, the truth in the public square and fought the ERA and won because if you remember it was sailing through before Christian women woke up and said wait a minute if this passes because it sounds kind of good right that you could rise for a woman like we're for that equal pay sure we get it but then they found out reading between the lines that actually that meant that would strike down all the pro-life prohibitions and states it meant the very things that we're fighting right now men and women's locker rooms men and women's sports all those things and like wait we're not for that and so they came together and they educated people and educated their friends their families and their churches and their Sunday schools and the parents teacher associations and all their friends and came together and got people out and prayed and worked and they were victorious but same doesn't have any new ideas no no he just he just loses and reconstitutes and comes back and we fight those same battles just like we are today in fact I think it's very good with what you just said Satan is he's not an originator he cannot do that you're exactly right he will do everything in a knockoff form and so what he does is he promises people liberty and freedom when in actuality it's bondage but he packages it in a in a very tasty almost like candy like style that if you're not grounded in the word if you're not a follower of Christ you're gonna fall for it I mean look Eve was not a dummy so we've got to believe that when Satan spoke to her he must have spoken as such cunning in appealing ways that she fell for that so today that tactic still works yeah to wrap something up with all the glitter in the bow but when you opened it up there's this pen Pandora's box and we're seeing that in our culture today where we have gone through and and you please correct me if I'm wrong uh but you know we started with uh like you said the equal rights for women of course we're world in favor for that but saying is a good marketer though I will say that oh well that's to mark it out it's tremendous yeah he's able to get around the world in a moment what it what takes Apple computer you know once or years to mark it out there but um there's this thing where oh you're in bondage you're not happy you need this to really be something this is the answer oh I've heard your truth speak your truth yeah what do you feel that's your truth and this is my truth so this is my truth and the confusion that has ensued I I recently and I've been thinking a lot about the truth I keep talking about it because Jesus says I am the way the truth and the life no man comes with his father but by me Jesus is truth we only know truth because we know God who's the author of truth right and then and we have the Holy Spirit to help clear away the cobwebs and see the reality of these situations and sometimes not even right away sometimes it's sometimes it's through prayer but you have an entire society that particularly um you know under COVID where communities were broken were churches not great churches like yours but churches that were even my churches that didn't come back together they're very slow to come back together they couldn't even manage to go to their parking lots and come before the Lord and so young people were alone they were they were broken off from community they couldn't go to school they had to have a computer in order to try to learn although we know they didn't right we know that our school our schoolchildren particularly our our underserved communities are several years behind where they should be and they never catch up the people that were hurt the most by the heavy hand of government were the people who are the least of these and when one of us said anything oh we wanted to kill old people right clearly that was it we're selfish we don't care and so um you had young people and old people alone and lonely in their homes and we have had we have record numbers of suicide now record numbers of fentanyl overdoses people fell off the wagon people got involved in drugs and young kids went searching for love and found the dark corners of the internet and were dragged into the whole trans movement right and we had doctors who were making bank at a hundred thousand dollars a pop and then lifelong medical patients in order to do trans surgeries on little kids listen with what you just said so clearly do you think there's any I mean you and I know there's a day of reckoning before God but before that time comes do you think they're they're ever going to be held accountable for these physicians that that fought up these horrific things of mutilating this kid or this person do you think they'll ever be held accountable well I don't know about the day but I will tell you that and I know you think this too that say no always overreaches right always overplay always overreaches and so it went from you know we need to respect everyone okay I get that to you have to you have to deny reality and you have to you have to ascertain that my truth which is a lie is the truth and you have to call me another pronoun you have to pretend that I am a woman when I'm a man and welcome me into your sorority into your locker room onto your on to your sports team and that's where they went too far yeah because mothers around this country and I you know these women who got up at oh dark 30 and drove their children to their sports team to their practices watch their daughters work so hard all their like for career for their careers in order just to have an opportunity to compete right and to go to college on a scholarship and to win trophies and to win titles and it was all taken away and so you're seeing finally this moment because at the beginning you had these young women who couldn't say anything because their scholarships were at risk but now they're graduating yes and you have everyone from gains what's our first rally gains who I know well and love yeah we have in our program yeah and you have and she's you know a notable person who early on came on because she swam against Lea Thomas another person who you don't know as well is that one of our members her name is Kylie Allons 31 time all American champion from NC State has school titles out the ears and she also swam against Lea Thomas but her story is a little bit different she of course was in the fact that she came in further behind because of him but her biggest issue is that when they got there they had no idea that they were going to be sharing a locker room with him no one told them ahead of time that a man would be in their locker room and anatomically correct man who still dates girls is going to be in their locker room now I didn't really know this wait a minute I get that at Georgia Tech it's the biology part did you just say that he still dates girls with swims against women and the women's competitions that's correct so we're he's a lesbian so we're we're we're crazier than I thought a moment oh we're totally crazy nobody is crazy just the grownups that are supposed to be in charge of crazy heads of the NCAA and the new head of the NCAA Charlie Baker brand new guy as it doesn't seem to be catching on either so what happened is Kylie so this was something that I did not understand until she explained it to me I've never swam competitively in my life but when you do you don't just change one time you change several times you're in a practice suit you're out of that you're in something else you change several times in the last suit for the actual heat you're putting on a a performance suit that covers you from your knees to your neck it's very thin it takes between 10 and 30 minutes to get into it's very tight and you have to be very careful or it will tear I suppose and so the women were so nervous and now think of this kind of as a senior this is her last chance she's at Georgia Tech this is her last and she's worked up her entire career for this moment and instead of being thinking about her race and what she need to be thinking being having her head in the game she's having to think about oh my gosh is it coming around the corner is in here what's gonna happen and so you know what she did is she took her swimsuit she left the locker room and she found a utility closet she was the one driven into the closet and a lot of her teammates went with her and the girls changed in the closet rather than being in the locker room with a man you would think that the other team would say there you go you know you're thinking you're changing in the utility room where you should change but that probably wasn't enough for them they they they probably the the the changing of your your uniform or your swim gear in in the utility room is not enough what must be enough is that even if you could beat this man in the event you better not beat him you have to send because could you imagine has it happened yet I'm honestly ignorant about this has a woman yet beat him and and swimming has he yes but you know we're not really sure if it's real right frankly and because that would be very unloving but regardless there are below him several women should that should be an or women that didn't even make the team because of right and it's not just swimming it's track yeah it's oh yeah wait lifting it's we just thought in the US Marine Corps there's a laughing stock video on TikTok where the US Marine Corps just went down to massive path of compromise because of of really not only could the the the test that you had to take physically to become a marine most men can't make it right well they wound up changing the requirements in the time allowed it for the endurance to be so skewed and it's a gut it's all on video and then it's it's been played in Russia it's been played yeah it's been played on Iran and these people are laughing at the US Marines because there's a woman who can't carry an 80 pound sack backpack gear up a mountain and so there's there's there's Marines standing around cheering her on and the the the spin out there in in the other countries is this is what the US Marines have become that's dangerous that is dangerous and in you know the the recruitment rights in our military are this 44 and I say this as an army mom my son will be active duty in the army as a second lieutenant in a year and I am pro military I we love our military but we there needs to be some changes and it has to start at the top that's right it has to start with the commander in chief and so um but you know what is his name um well you know I think does Joe Biden know he's the manager chief I don't know I don't know but uh but I will say the original questions do I think there's a reckoning yes I do and I will tell you that I've seen glimpses of hope and of course always god is in control amen he he he loves the week he loves women he recognizes that it is wrong for them to be taken advantage of and this is a situation in which they are but aside from that you know we've come alongside and linked arms with a group of women that we have nothing in common with except for this and this is they're called the women's liberation front these are radical leftist women who many of whom are bisexual and lesbians kind of guy join um I mate no no they're they're on our team on this they they're like a woman is it you can mentally not change from being a woman to a man they are they come hard they're like the few little things that women fought so hard for and they're right it was not right the right to vote it took a hundred years for us to get the right to vote we've only had it for a hundred years and the fact that you know these few little set of sides and that you know we only had the title nine for 50 years title nine gave us the opportunity to have equal opportunity in education and sports and suddenly the people that work so hard have have could change teams and they feel completely betrayed um you know I think it was a one from Hawaii Patsy Meek Congress one from from no from Hawaii was the sponsor of that bill she is turning over in her grave at this point to see what's happened to title nine so um one of the things that CWA has done as we move into this moment is to really try to to really um set down some markers and to get ahead of things and one of the things we did is we went to um we put together a presidential pledge for American women and we went and sent it to all the presidential candidates Democrats and Republicans we send it to everyone this is this is current currently and so we've had four presidential candidates sign it so far so so so right now everybody listen this could be breaking news right here on this podcast yes and so if you go to concernwomen.org we have a copy of it up and you know even you can take the same pledge and we have a version of it that you can take to your city council take to your take to your school board take to anyone that you want because this is an easy one it should be for to write thinking people to sign and it says as president of the United States I've promised to pull truth the truth that women are exclusively female only women can be pregnant and bear children only women can be mothers under law under my administration the status and dignity of women and girls will not be compromised in law policy that sex is binary is a scientific reality and all federal agencies will be directed to hold up this fact in every policy and program at home and abroad um a person's claim of gender and identity does not overrule their sex my administration will focus on affirming sex based distinctions to protect women in every area such as shelters prison housing health care defense education and sports I will protect the dignity of women and motherhood in all circumstances that's awesome that's the person I want to like and are you at liberty to tell us yes I would have well I'll tell you who the first person was it was Donald J Trump there he goes again there he goes again and he was and he was the first guy I hand I gave it to him I actually I think I have a picture on my Instagram a few of you viewers when I come where my husband and I went up the funny thing about it is because you know president Trump and he he does have a great sense of humor he started reading it and he got to the first thing and I put it answered I'd like for you to take a look at this mr. president he said I he was reading I promised to hold the truth that women are exclusively female only women can be pregnant and bare children only women can be mothers he looked at my husband he's like can you believe this like can you believe that I have to tell people that this is what I believe right and that was just his gut reaction on it he got it immediately so he was the first guy out of the gate and I was very grateful for that so that I mean it's been months that I gave that to him and then after that was Vivek from a Swami signed it and then Nikki Haley and just I don't know why it took so long that governor Ronda sent us has signed just as a few days ago so we've got four we're going to continue pushing it but I got to tell you I it means a lot to me that president Trump immediately was spot on and understood the question and the time of the day look it speaks we've you and I've been with him before and and he's boy don't we long for the days of mean tweets if that's the big national issue is a mean tweet oh man oh my goodness he has a remarkable ability to read the room to read you he has the remarkable ability people are shocked when they hear this but he is an amazing listener I remember the first time that I met him I think it was in Miami and I was surprised at how quiet he was in the room as people were talking he didn't interrupt people he was gathering data you could see the gears turning and once he is determined about something he's locked on like a missile and we watched him respond accordingly and this kind of leadership was what we need now today in America for that matter of the world where it is correct it's decisive and he doesn't he doesn't pull the trigger unless he knows what's going to happen he's not he's not a knee jerk reaction person and so I'm not surprised yeah well enough but I also I did that he has a really solid get right he he has you know and I don't I think he's on a spiritual journey as we all are right but I think you know he has a solid understanding of of certain things and particularly issues like this in the second debate he famously went for the first time we saw a presidential candidate go after the other guy on abortion yeah and say you're the extremist the fact that you want to rip a little baby limb by limb from its mother's womb no I'm not for that you're the extremist and and we're like yep where's this guy look we're we've been waiting for this guy and it's Donald Trump I mean who knew so watch let me interrupt this whole thing on this with what you just said you just hit a nerve that I have and you are so right Trump just said it the room went silent people gased yet why was that reaction thus it's because he said what everybody was honestly really thinking how is it why is it that for some and now here I'm a pastor I'm a Christian so don't don't read this the wrong way people but we're at war it would be easier if we actually had our AR 15s and hand grenades and tanks and airplanes that would be easier than the war that we're in right now we're in an invisible war it's a war of not only I believe spiritual dynamic but the war of words in what is meant so when Trump responds the way that he does and he gets the magnitude of votes behind him or wins the polls as he is doing what is happening what's going on he is speaking truth now I I agree with you I think he's on a journey finding out who God might be we have to work on that more with him but having said that I'm not I already have a savior I've got a Messiah his name is Jesus when it comes to president why is it that the Christian community has somehow diluted themselves into thinking that well we can't vote for Trump because he's not polite well when is politeness when it comes to warfare like this a virtue I don't understand this I believe in the fruits of the Holy Spirit don't get me wrong but here we are we've got somebody who's like a Nebuchadnezzar we've got a Cyrus that acknowledges the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob makes the right decisions people who read their Bible we have no evidence for sure that Nebuchadnezzar or Cyrus is in heaven yet God calls both of them my servants and they did the right thing Trump has survived several FBI forensic in audits you and I may not be able to survive that I may not be able to produce a receipt for a basketball I bought two years ago Trump survived these he's gone through impeachment attempts he survived these he's still alive today he's he's been sued by everybody and their mother and yet he's surviving nobody could survive these types of things and yet the man is still standing and having said that Penny what would you say and then I'll tell you what I was okay what would you say to Trump right now if Trump was sitting at this chair over here uh president Trump this is what we would love to hear from you moving into 2024 well I think first and I have said this to him I am so grateful that he understands that he's making promises to the American people and he intends to keep them that's right seriously and I have to tell you I have to admit I'm kind of embarrassed about this but I kind of got entrained by really good Republicans I mean like George W. Bush who was in evangelical that you listen to what they say and then you plan on them falling through a maybe half because they're going to get in there in the deep state and I didn't I used to not believe in that by the way nobody did when we first yeah I thought that was crazy I thought that you know was conspiracy theory no it's real I mean maybe not in the way some people see it but certainly there is you know a group of people who are erred into the system and the administration slow roll everything that the other side tries to do but um what I saw from president Trump is he told you what he's going to do including who is Supreme Court justices were going to be right which by the way gave us the overturned way that's right he told us that he was going to move the embassy that's right from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem which every president prior said for 22 years and here's something that a lot of people don't understand you probably know this Congress passed that law and in order for it to not happen they had to sign a waiver every six months so not only all they had to do for it to happen to do nothing right so they actively they had to stop it from happening and so president Trump said I'm going to move the embassy and they come to him like here sign this and he's like what what's that and he's like that's the waiver you can't move the embassy he's like but I said I was going to move the embassy and then they're like well you can't do that the Middle East will burn and the state department you know Harpies all said you can't do it someone in that room said with all do respect mr. president you will be starting the third world war that's right they did tell him that and he said I don't believe that he probably said a little more colorfully than that and he said I'm signing at this time but never again you get it worked out and you get it done and then we're going to move it and so I was grateful to have actually been present at the opening of the US embassy in Jerusalem and watch the Israeli people weep with joy and to celebrate in the streets with Donald Trump's name hanging over because that meant safety for them yeah that meant that once again someone recognized the eternal capital of Israel is Jerusalem and we know this to be true and so I guess I would start by and as I have in the past saying thank you but we also understand and we recognize this and we thank you for this but we understand we also need to look forward in the future yes because we are in trouble times in this country the economies in the tank people are having trouble paying their bills putting food on their table parents no longer believe their children have a brighter future than they had that's the first time this happens since they've been asking that question and polling I mean we really as a country have have really lost side of being that shining city on the hill we have and at at the crux of that I truly believe is the fact that we've allowed this cancer to metastasize in our educational system and we have spent billions of taxpayer dollars paying for ideologies that are absolutely sinful and hurtful and anti-market to be used in our campuses all over this country yeah and even in our elementary schools as we were just discussing these ideologies and so what I would say to you is Mr. President what are you going to do about all these things what are you going to do to help us restore America and I would say and as I have done as a remind you all that we all are under the authority of the king of kings yes and so when I'm with the president or any leader my prayer is to always point them towards Jesus first and when we recognize the picking order of reality the heavenly pecking order that God Jesus is king as they said in revolution no king but Jesus but underneath that underneath his authority he places people in authority which also means Joe Biden at this time and we need to pray for them but we also need to work hard to have a righteous leader who can lead us in the direction that will stand within the principles of God let me say this because some Christians they just don't get it you just said we need to get a righteous leader the the bubble wrapped Christian says well sorry penny I can't vote for Trump because he's you know his past they forget about their own past mind you right no no penny said a righteous leader a righteous leader means a leader that does the right thing not a leader that glows in the dark walks on water that can raise the dead okay we've got Christ Jesus for this we are not I years ago this popped into my head and I'll say it again we're not to be looking for the Messiah to arrive on Air Force one okay that's not gonna happen that's right but you put Trump's promises up against his actions and what those actions were actually about and you have Donald J Trump as that righteous leader now I'm gonna get hate mail for that and I love it it actually I enjoy that but try to unpack that it's a fact in the scripture says I'm loving this verse I'm studying it I'm marinating in it I have to confess I read it probably all my life as a believer never really stop to think what it meant second Corinthians 10 verse 6 says by your obedience to Christ punish all disobedience and by doing so your obedience will be commended now how does that what does that mean what does that play out well in this republic we don't go around throwing bombs at our opponents we vote we speak up we go to school board meetings we honor the constitution which gives us the right just to to be involved we need to wrap this up tragically we're running low on time but I want to it's my turn to respond to my question to you about what would you say to to President Trump I would say this I would say President Trump if I could be your advisor for a moment I'd say this your track records already established we know what you can do it's a matter of fact regarding your past and who was after you and and crooked Hillary and the deep state we get that too but here's what we need from you if you want to quietly take care of all that mess once you're elected go ahead more power do you but right now we've got a whole lot of young people who are real listen who are real suckers for promises right oh we'll forgive your school debt or whatever it might be well Mr. President you're the only one that can actually follow through on the promises here's what young people need to hear and you'll have their vote in fact this is what we all need to hear and you'll have our vote tell us where you're going to take us that's why we voted for you in the first place you told us how bad it's been so you said this is what I'm going to do and we jumped on board we over we overlooked your past and the you know all what we're going to take a risk on Donald J Trump and in 2016 we voted for you turns out we were very glad we did because you took us forward I think if Trump began to talk forward like you said at a moment ago here's why if you're 19 years old you here's why you should vote for me or if you're 85 years old here's why you should vote for me I think it's I think it would be a slam dunk and somebody's going to say oh Jack and Penny you guys just saw naive the cheat is overwhelming hey you know what let's say there is a cheat how do you stop the cheat there's only one way to stop and that is to turn out in mass cheat only works when the numbers are close enough to manipulate that's right when a mass group shows up to vote the cheat won't work that's right it's very simple math overwhelm them people you need to show up first of all you've got to register to vote and then you need to show up and you need to vote listen we I'm right now we're in a cuckoo state called California we get to vote for months here vote as soon as you can yeah make sure your vote is taken care of but what what are some of the closing words tell us all about you know how how can we get plugged in and why should they support you guys well I appreciate that well let me just say that I think that I just want to finish this one thing about the president I had a time magazine reporter asked me who now works in New York Times like why did evangelical women vote 82% for Donald Trump don't they know about all the things he did like yeah I mean we're all sinners by the way Christians recognize we're sinners and we're broken um but we weren't looking for a pastor and we weren't looking for a husband we were looking for a bodyguard a guy that would stick the knife in his teeth and swim the moat for us and that's why we supported him and that's why we will support him again if he can manage to win the primary and I believe that he will but I want to say um that right now at concerned women for America we are working on policy issues and we talked about some of those right now and I um we are the nation's largest public policy women's organization we have chapters all over this country last night our uh California leader was there also we have 250 young women for America chapters and we've been doing pro-Israelis on their campuses all over this country what are refreshing antithesis to the hate and the just the the evil uh vapid arguments that have been coming out of the left we've had these young beautiful women coming together prayer vigils inviting the Jewish students from their campus praying over them being there with them and I've watched these young Jewish students weep and say this is the when I felt the most supported since October 7th on my campus and so we would love for your listeners to come join what we're doing come to concernedwomen.org follows on all the social media channels and um it's just great to be here with you it's great to have you keep it up keep standing uh there are several women in my life my wife obviously one of them uh and you have that mantle and that is a Deborah there's a Deborah spirit from the scriptures who was no doubt Deborah the woman judge of Israel but she was a warrior and she even led men into battle and she even deferred to them she said to them we're gonna go into battle and are you guys sure you want me to lead the way yes lead the way because she was gonna get all the credit and she told me she said you know I'm gonna get the credit for this are you sure and she look we're talking about her right now and so I thank God for you thank you for thank God for your entire organization and um a women messengers matter in this moment especially all these issues were discussed women's voices matter so we want to train our women our members and women your listeners to be able to be more able and more blessed in their ability to share the truth the gospel their policy beliefs and to advocate in the public square so all the women watching right now they need to go to concernedwomen.org sign up and we'd love to have you join what we're doing and if you're a man watching and you just heard that you can send your money to them okay women should have money women sign up and man you can send money we'll take it that's right that's right so listen as always on our gathering together at these podcasts it's it's our belief that it's time for you and I to live out what it is that we believe in it's time for us to live real life so God bless you guys until next time this Jack Hibbs podcast as well as all the broadcast outreach opportunities are listener supported will you consider partnering with us through a special gift go to jackhibbs.com to learn more and stay connected