What Does It Mean To Be An American?

Real Life presents the Jack Hibbs Podcast with intention and boldness to proclaim truth, equip the saints and impact our culture. Hey everybody, we're going to be jumping in to what it means to be an American. Why should we care? I think if you listen in, you're going to get pumped up. I got a special friend with me and you're going to learn a lot. So get ready, take notes, here we go. You can get the outlines of this podcast by going to jackhibbs.com slash podcast. Today, if this podcast lifts you up and encourages you to live a more fulfilled life in Christ, then make sure you leave us one of those five star ratings. To us, that's like saying amen or yes, then that rating will encourage others to listen. Now, open your hearts to what God's word has to say to you. Here is Jack Hibbs. Well, everybody, welcome back to the Jackhibbs Podcast and we want to thank you, first of all, for just being part of the many people that are joining us and subscribing and we're very delighted. I have to tell you guys, I have the chance to do a lot of media and we're grateful, but I don't have as much fun as I do get together with you guys. I think it's because we can be open and just with you as though we're sitting around a table. Today, you guys, I not only have a friend with us, but you actually have a friend at the table today and because it is the fact that he defends and stands for our constitutional rights and freedoms. I'm talking about Rick Green. He's known as America's constitutional coach and that's exactly what he does. He's a former Texas state representative, a national speaker, author and a radio host and Rick co-hosts the National Daily Radio Podcast, the wall builders. Of course, that's the wonderful work of Tim and David Barton that's out there. Love those guys as well. In fact, that's how I met Rick was originally through David Barton and then Rick, you're the founder of the Patriot Academy and elite leadership training programs specializing in the civics with a Biblical worldview approach, which I absolutely love and I want to make sure we talk about that because I think during COVID, didn't that explode and so we'll talk about that. And then finally, Rick and his wife, Cara, they have four grown kids and this is old. This is two grandchildren. Five. Now, well, who are on the ground? One in the oven. I count them as soon as they're in the oven. So, yes. That's right. That's awesome. Brother, it's great being with you and I just always get to see you. There's something about this man. He's a, he's a win some warrior. I like that. How about that? He's a win some warrior. He fights the fight. I love this guy's DNA and he'll fight the fight with a smile on his face. And I can see Rick entering heaven with his armor dented and soiled and a big smile on his face. Mission complete. That's it. That's a California thing. What? I mean, I'm a Texan, but Ronald Reagan. He's the one that said be a happy warrior. I didn't realize that for you so California. Hey, and for it it's exit. All right. We'll take it. So, where do we start with this? Tell us about what you're involved in and I do want to hear about just the pivot that happened in our nation during the COVID time where people began to dive in. I think they felt their rights to it. Oh yeah, man. They felt the pain. So, let's talk about it. It's the whole tough times. Make tough man. Tough men. Tough men make good times. Good times make soft men. Soft men. We just back in a tough times and they felt the tough times. to do something about this. So yeah, we were getting tons of calls, okay, can a governor actually shut us down? Do we have to get permission to be able to even open our church? Am I, do I have to close my business, even though everybody's healthy? I mean, all those things that you went through. In fact, I don't know if you remember this, but it was probably late February, maybe early March. It was right when all the insanity was happening of 2020. And you came all wall builders. And you said at the time, you said, Rick, this is going to separate the week from the shaft. I'll never forget it. And then it happened. I mean, within the church, within the conservative movement, within, you had Republicans that were becoming tyrants as well. It literally separated the people that actually believe in biblical, timeless principles of liberty and those who it was fingered to the wind, whatever's popular. So yeah, it was a crazy time. We grew 400% that year. It just kept growing. And I think people are hungry to know truth. They want to, they want some solid ground, you know, they're tired of these shifting sand kind of, you know, sinking really, especially for the young people. So they're looking for truth. And the good news is we got it, man, we got the instruction manual. God gave it to us. And our founding documents are full of that truth. So we just got to bring those things back. And I think people will latch on to it, including here in California. Okay. So to this, I want to just kind of dial down on this. Yeah. Tell us a little bit about the fact that we as a people, we get to go back as the scripture says to those ancient foundations, those, those ancient pillars. Um, it just kind of let the, the viewer in on, as America, because so many people don't know, as America, when you say go back to our founding and go back to the original, um, intent of all things regarding the birth of this republic, tell the people, what is it that we're going back to? Yeah. As Americans, we get to go back to something. What is that something that makes us different? The timing's perfect too, Jack, because the 250th is coming up. So the 250th birthday of the nation, 312 days from right now, 250th birthday of America. So what are we celebrating? The declaration of independence and right there in the heart of the declaration is the secret sauce that made America great in the first place. And it begins with we hold these truths. So the fact that there's a foundation of truth, moral absolutes right and wrong that we built the nation upon. And then, of course, we often talk about we're endowed by our creator. So, you know, they, they now tell us that you're a crazy Christian nationalist. If you believe your freedom comes from God and not from government, well, Jefferson would have been that, right? Because he's literally saying that in the document. Exactly true. And it's what made us different. I mean, that meant you're not the source of my freedom. Yeah. I'm not the source of your freedom. So you can't take my freedom away. I can't take your freedom away. Government's certainly not the source of our freedom. God's the source. And then, and then he tells us right there in the declaration that to secure these rights is after life living through to happiness, governments are instituted among men deriving their just powers from the consent of the government. So what's he saying? The whole reason we have government is to protect the God-given rights that we have. So the biblical foundations of the country is what made us great. Now, some people get nervous when we say we want to go back to those foundations because they've been so lied to about who we are as a nation. They think when you and I say that, we're actually saying we want to go back to slavery or we want to go back to, you know, something else that was not good in our history. That's right. We believe in teaching all of American history, the good, the bad, and the ugly. And even when you teach the ugly, you will find that America was actually the first nation to ban the slave trade, the fourth nation to ban slavery completely. We had the shortest stint of slavery in the world. And in 1776, every nation had slavery, black on black, black on white, white on black, white on red, red on, I mean, you picked the combination, right? So the American story's actually amazing. Even when you take the bad parts, but what the left has done in education is only teach the bad parts and actually exaggerate them, make them even worse than they actually were. And so when we say go back, we're talking about going back to the principles of liberty, self-government, church government, you know, not thinking civil government is the end all be all to everything. That's what I mean. Going back to the principles that make a nation great. I love what you just said. In fact, going way back, I love to take our church as far back as we can in the sense of the the pilgrim fathers, you know, you get to remember our founding fathers talked about the founding fathers. That's right. That's right. That's good. Our founding fathers said, oh, no, no, the founding fathers were those aboard the Mayflower. Yeah. And I mean, I mean, I might be off on this, but not far off, the Mayflower compact is basically two big paragraphs. I mean, it's not much. Takes maybe, you know, a minute to read at the most. And right at the beginning, they announced that we've come here to this continent to propagate the gospel of Jesus Christ. And so I remember like you do, Barack Obama was in Cairo, Egypt, and he was being interviewed. And he had made the comment that the United States was never founded upon Judeo-Christian worldview values. And I thought, wow, that's pretty amazing. That's probably what he knows. He probably, that's how he's been taught. But the truth is, yeah, don't forget who his mentor was. Exactly. Oh, exactly. Am I right? Exactly. And so all of this stuff where you talked about rights coming from God, truth, man, the progressive left hates that. So they've got to react like it's poison. You know, oh, you're going to bring back slavery and tyranny. And you're going to have women, you know, barefoot pregnant in the kitchen again. They have no idea that this is the nation because they have not been taught this. This is the nation that has been the birthplace of liberty to the extent that even with all of America's problems of late, people are still trying to immigrate to this country. Amen. There are more, I looked this up, there are more people annually who try to legally immigrate to the legally, try to immigrate to the United States by application, then all other nations of the earth combined annually. Wow. Imagine that. Well, and we also have more here than the second, third, fourth, and fifth nations combined immigrants, just actual immigrants. That's remarkable. Legal or illegal. Yeah. So you take the next four combined, not as much as we, so if we're so bad, Jack, why does everybody want to come here? Well, not only that, if we're so bad, why is everybody wanting to break in here? Yeah. Think about that. You can't break into Saudi Arabia. You can't walk into London. I was in Europe not too long ago. In everything about me getting out of that airport was biometrics and enhanced. I just came last week, Rick, or two weeks ago, I was in Peru, and to get into the country of Peru, I've never seen this before. Both hands on a pain of glass, a light, like a copy machine went under the palms of my hands. Wow. Then I had to rub my temples and put my fingers into a bio, I forget what it was, it was some sort of bio detection system where it matched my DNA to the finger in Peru. Peru, I couldn't believe it. We went there like five years ago. I mean, I don't remember any. That's why I was so impressed. And then we came back to L.A. from Lima, and it's like, yeah, come on, let's go. I'm so bad. It's like, what the hell is going on? You can tell by my accent, I'm a bit of a country boy. Okay. And my test is simple, whether or not a nation has good principles and is producing good results. Are people trying to get in? Are they trying to dig tunnels to get out? And America's, you know, there's a reason it's called the American dream, not the North Korean dream or the Cuban dream. I mean, we have something special that the rest of the world has always wanted, and it all goes back to that secret sauce. And even the Mayflower compact, think about it. That was the self-government. They're saying, okay, we're going to, when we get off this boat, we need to be able to govern ourselves. And so it's really just saying, what's the best way to form society? What's the best way to treat your neighbors? And the Christian principle of treat your neighbor the way you want to be treated is that it really at the foundation of all of our laws. We just simply want to treat each other the way we want to be treated, just like the Bible teaches us to do. And you're training people how to not only own that conversation, but to propagate that. Tell us about what you do. Yeah, and how to do it effectively, right? How do you learn? What is the Bible say about how I need to be a good citizen and a good neighbor? But then how do I do that within these rule books, within this system of a constitutional republic? And so teaching people the Constitution, teaching them how a legislative process works. How do you testify at the school board? All of these things are just basically living out your faith and making politics, as Charles Fanny said, part of our religion in countries such as this, because as a constitutional republic, and you say this in our biblical citizenship class, that biblical citizenship is stewardship. I play that clip everywhere I go, because you summed it up perfectly. That is exactly why we go testify. Why don't we get involved? We don't want to be the wicked and slothful servant. We want to be the good and faithful servant. And God's, you know, He's dropped us into a free nation. Whether we like it or not, we live in a nation where we the people are in charge. So we can't just say, I wish the politicians would get it right and then go over here and be busy with everything. We have to say, I wish they get it right. And you know what? I have a voice. I get to influence what they're doing. So it's all about stewardship and we have a blast doing it, man. We don't do the boring history government. I slept through those classes in high school in college because they were so boring. You know, just memorize dates or whatever. So David Barton taught me to bring the stories to life. And so in the same way, we put people into a legislature. So when we do our youth programs around the country, we do them in state capital. So we're on the Real House floor in committees. When we train pastors or military veterans or any of those things, we actually rebuilt the Texas House legislative chambers on our campus of Patriot Academy. So now we can do that every week. So they're arguing in a real life. Literally our diocese. I had some Amish Carpenter from Pennsylvania come in and they rebuilt the diocese exactly like the one of the Texas House. And then I've got the Mayfly. I've got all the paintings from the rotunda of the U.S. Capitol and we put those in the room so we can, you know, just point to it and say, well, here's what they were doing. It just makes it. It brings it to life. But if you even a pastor, you put a pastor in a situation like that where they're learning how to follow bill, get it out of committee, get it to the house floor, have to defend it, be able to think biblically but speak securely. I mean, all of those things when they leave our campus, now they go back home and when it's time to talk to a legislator or it's time to recruit someone out of their church to run for the legislature. There's a whole different set of skills there that they now have. So you just multiply that young people pastors. I mean, we're, I like to say this way, we're raising up the Navy Seals of Civics. We're literally giving you the tip of the spear, the people that can be effective at this and win the day. I love what you're saying right now because it's our experience here at this church. Now, we've been, we've been here for three and a half decades now doing this and thank God for people like you, although there's nobody like you. But what you've taught us over the years, we've got young people now who have come through the ranks over the years. And my goodness, we've got some of them that are federal prosecutors now, some of them in the CIA, some of them in the Department of Justice under Trump's administration currently right now. We've got a young man who went through our home school process, which would have meant that they went through some of your stuff and were, and were really excited about this young man. I'm not going to say his name right now, but he went, he was an eagle scout. He went through the US Marines and then into the the Navy test pilot school. And we're, we're excited because now he's, he's flying President Trump. He's like, you're kidding me. Oh, man. Here's a kid that grew up loving, loving American history because he understood that he was taught this. Well, and because you create an environment here where people don't see that as, you know, dirty. I can't go do that. Instead, that's just part of why I do that. You get to do that. And then you mentor. In fact, tonight, I'm going to talk about Psalm 78. And you guys do the opposite of Psalm 78, the Ephraimites and Psalm 78 ran from the battle even though they were armed to the teeth. You guys do the opposite. You're in the battle. No matter how much are, how much you're armed or not, you're going to teach people how to live life effectively in every area of the movies. You know, our entertainment, our politics, our education. There's nothing off limits. You don't, you guys don't allow anybody to box something out of God's influence. There's no way. And you know, you know this. I'm not, I'm not telling you anything. But our, your stance, my stance is when Jesus said, let your light so shine before men. I love that. The Greek language makes this distinction. Let your light shine before all men. And it encompasses unbelievers. So think about that. The one believer with the light is deployed into a world of unbelievers. Think about that, that picture. And so when you let that light shine, Jesus wanted to say that they will glorify the Lord or they will see your good works. And you say, well, wait a minute. When we go to Sacramento, Newsom doesn't applaud us out as balcony. No, he doesn't. But in the day of judgment, everything that we stand for for what is right, even if we lose, right? If we lose the battle here, we win the war. We're, we're us standing for righteousness. Yeah. It's going to translate into victory because the issue will be Christian, did you live to advance the light in a dark world? When are lose? Did you advance it? You know, yes, we advanced it. And so I, I got to tell you, Rick, when, and I think I speak on behalf of our congregation, when we put everything we have into the fight for what this is like trying to stop a very bad bill that's dangerous to family or to the unborn child, when we fight with all of our might, and if we lose, if they, if they do whatever they do up there in Sacramento, you know what? We wish we would have won, but you did your duty, but we did our duty. Our conscience is clear and it's up to God. You know, I got a friend in Delaware and Delaware is even worse in California, brother. I mean, it's like crazy land, okay? And she runs the Family Policy Council out there. So she's constantly fighting what people would say are losing battles. Yes. Yes. And she taught me a long time ago. She said, no, Rick, they're not losing battles. We defined victory as advancing truth. Perfect. So we're advancing truth and the cold tises are nice. She's amazing. And to stay in that fight like that and continue to advance truth, it's exactly what you just described. Is this saying? It's I mean, it's Texas. I lose battles all the time that we're pushing for certain things, but we're advancing truth every time. People that run for office and end up not winning, but they're out there knocking on doors, visiting with somebody, advancing truth with every conversation. It's so important to have that mindset. It's that, you know, you know, the John Quincy Adam story, but his whole thing after fighting slavery for 17 years was duty as ours results for God. So if we take that into the arena, man, we can do it with a smile on our face. We can be happy warriors because we know this whole thing doesn't depend on me. I mean, I'm supposed to do my duty, but thank you, God, that the results are yours. Yeah. Well, I love, I love the fact that God told Israel, told David, show up, sanctify yourself today. Yeah. Tomorrow, you're going to go into battle. Show up. Show up. And God will take over. Yeah. As you said, Quincy Adam said, the results are gods. But the thing is, why? Why do Christians think? Well, gosh, Rick, Jack, I mean, I really don't want to mix politics with with my faith. Rick, tell them how wrong they are. Well, you know, I've started saying this and I don't know, maybe I'm being too sarcastic, but I want to live in a neighborhood where people think that murder is wrong. I want to live in a neighborhood where stealing is not only wrong, there's not a $900 exception to the eighth commandment. Yeah. Can you say that a little louder? Sacramento is about 500 miles north of us? You know, I want to live in a neighborhood where the neighbors, we're all trying to raise our children to honor their father and mother, you know, and it's back to that treating people the way you want to be treated, to not make sure politics are your faith with your politics is to basically say that you're okay with people who don't believe in those things that I just listed calling the shots. You're okay with people being in charge of your state legislature or your local school board that actually want to groom seven and eight and nine year olds that are actually okay with sexualizing these kids or creating the psychotropic drugs and the transgenders that you had another mass murder at a church because of the hatred towards God and the hatred towards people of faith. You're okay with that if you don't want to make sure politics with your faith. I think the only way to do politics is to make sure faith with I guarantee the other side is their faith is and humanism and yeah. You hit the nail on the head just coming down here to be with you today on the news. What was being discussed was the reason why this shooting yeah in Minnesota yeah in Minnesota at this Catholic church slash school I understand from at least right now this might understand it could be wrong but there was a school on the campus of a church that's right and this person was a transgender individual yet again said to say yet again yeah yet again yet and so one report said this I believe it was a medical doctor they said it's we need to stop and look at the medications that are being given to the transitioning because it could be something that is a precursor to violent activity yeah okay as a scientist I respect where he's coming from that he didn't talk about morality he just said we need to look at the drugs that they're using to transition because there's too many transgender issue of people that are going off the rails with these guns and with violence that said the next interview was someone saying you know why this happened is because transgender people do not feel welcomed and this person just snapped under the pressure of not feeling loved and I thought for a moment what in the world is going on kids are dead but this person is defending the transgender community yeah in light of this horrific event and it's remarkable to me but when we who said this that when we forget God when we when we cancel our relationship with God and there is no God in our thinking then people die because the value of life is so dramatically diminished and chaos increases there's no right and wrong you turn into it's actually how you end up in tyranny too because if you if there is no right and wrong and everybody's doing whatever they want we don't know what a woman is we don't know what right and wrong is we're allowing the crime all that at some point the people break and they say we need somebody to come clean this mess up and no matter what it takes we want to clean and so they're willing to start giving up their rights for government to become bigger and bigger just to keep us from killing each other like you said from people from from dying yes all were the mayor up there which actually I blame the riots of 2020 on him anyway because he's the one that said when that first riot took place let them burn the police precinct and that sent the signal to the whole country you can do whatever you want for the this summer and Jacob Faye anyway he's already you know lambasting people for even mentioning that the murderer is is transgender and you know I mean that that makes about as much sense that's insanity you should know why somebody you're looking for every reason I don't care you know whatever about their history you need to know to figure out why this thing happened but it and it also goes back to the psychotropic drugs even you know you go all the way back to Columbine I mean most all of these mass murder events in fact I would say virtually everyone I've yet to find one where they didn't where they where they proved that there weren't some sort of psychotropic drugs involved it is definitely messing with the brain they are they're rewiring something there's no doubt about it doesn't mean it happens to everybody that takes those drugs but the increase is off the charts absolutely but it's also just a if there's no right and wrong if there is no God if there is no you know if if I'm done when I'm dead that creates a different mindset in someone and so that's why when God's in the equation doesn't mean you get rid of all the depravity of man that's the other thing about our worldview and having faith influence our politics we don't believe man's inherently good we understand that man's inherently bad Jeremiah 179 the artist evil no man can know it that's right so we want laws that actually you know suppress the bad and don't encourage the bad the other side because they don't believe in a God they say just let everybody they actually think people are inherently good yeah let them be who you you know be who you are the whole thing about just be you man you don't want me to be me oh definitely I'll be my depraved wretched self is that for everybody my wife my kids everybody you just died in the cross so I wouldn't have to be I don't want to be the me I used to be what a difference that produces in society and the fight that I have now is not it's not with this legislator or that congressman or governor or this a cult or whatever my biggest fight is against the old jack trying to come back as a man man oh my goodness so Rick um with with our nation in the condition that it's in right now can you I know this is kind of silly but let's just kind of play this out imagine it's just us there's no camera there's no podcast going on if our if our founding fathers were to land today at LAX for example and start to walk around and see what's going on uh what do you think their their mind would what would they see in their minds what would there be reacting to yeah well let's start with Ben Franklin I think he would say I told Ms. Powell right afterwards I said a republic if you can keep it why didn't y'all keep it why didn't you do the things necessary why didn't you listen to Washington is very well addressed religion and morality or indispensable supports you know why we gave you all the all the warnings right we handed you this incredible system and and you did pretty good with it for a few years but honestly that we did exactly again Psalm 78 we didn't teach the rising generation we didn't pass the torch intact we didn't teach them what God was doing in history I think they would figure it out really quick because they they would they would notice that the patriotism was gone that the lack of of love of these principles was gone you know we used to we used to say I don't agree necessarily what you said but I'd fight and die for your that's right to speak that because we love the principle of free speech we would say I don't necessarily agree with your faith or your sect of Christianity or even your faith in in other religions but or no faith at all or no faith at all but it's not just right for your right to do that right we used to love the principles of of liberty and we let the education system teach our children I can't even name another country that did this to hate their own nation to hate their own literally hate their own nation hate of course as Rhonda Santa says hate each other and hate you know themselves I mean so the education system really is at the heart of all of that and and we it goes back to what you said our faith no longer informed our politics so we decided we weren't going to influence what was going on in the classroom and we let the left take over and they knew I mean you go you know all this going back to the 20s and the I mean they knew if we can take the education system we can take the nation and it took them a long time to do it it didn't happen overnight it took literally six or seven decades absolutely man's gratitude and claw on every step of the way and we're microwave you know we want it instantly and that's why people get involved they get excited for little on if they don't turn California around overnight they give up are you kidding me it's gonna take time take it's a long time to take a big ship yeah turn a big ship and for the nation the same way I mean I'm shocked at how much ground we're gaining right now honestly I mean I would have never dreamed yeah we would have we would have gained this much ground back this quickly I was in I was in for a okay I'm probably gonna be dead and gone when the ground is but I'm passing the torch these kids were training up you know we got but look bro there's a lot of positive ground being taken now I would argue that everything's for instance President Trump's doing is air cover it's temporary yeah we have to do the long term changes locally we have to do this in our neighborhood our church is you know that's what'll end up lasting so yeah that's a good way of putting it and I'm so glad you said that because there are so many Christians that I think put so much on President Trump yeah to kind of honestly to do what they're not willing to even do themselves yeah where he's put his life on the line what did he just say the other day that if he would not have run for President he would have been 2.5 billion dollars richer lives fortune shot at sacred honor exactly all of that all of that stuff and shot not shot at shot at yeah yeah I mean uh you know what though I got to say this is that happy warrior thing I mean God's design is so amazing if he had been president in 2020 or 2021 it wouldn't it wouldn't work we wouldn't none of this would be happening they radicalized him to love liberty and and I love God and I love love the biblical foundation I mean could you imagine him saying all the things that he says now if he had been getting 21-22 I mean it is it's it's it's literally the count it all joy when you experience various trials right yeah James because because of all that there's no stopping him it's listen this is so cool because in a normal setting any second term president now granted he had we we had this nightmare four years in between that said that was the plan of God but that also because our people we woke up let's be honest everybody let's back up we had net we thought Trump was crazy when we heard words like I'm gonna drain the swamp yeah we're thinking what fake news oh my gosh and then the guy says this and and we're going like really and then he's right yeah he talks about Russian collusion being Hillary's idea and what's the her thing the whole the whole company the the dossier steel yeah all of this stuff Trump's nuts and it turns out he was right and then Trump says this and it turns out he's right yeah and I think Bill Maher recently said why is he always right and it's true the guy's right that he's even turned Bill Maher on a lot of stuff I mean when you got like Bill Maher saying Democrats you're crazy you got to stop doing this I mean of course he's feeling the pain of his party losing is really what's driving him but yeah man you're right I just I couldn't admit it back in 2016 right I was in 2016 other I know what are you doing to us you know and Barton actually said on the air around September that year he said Rick we had godly men like Ted Cruz and all these guys running in the primary and God gave us Donald Trump he said I don't know why but they're so he's he loves to confound our wisdom and use people that we wouldn't think could be used bail him in the doggy right I mean that he did and and my goodness man he I have had to I am such a Reagan guy that I named a kid Reagan I got another kid born on Reagan's birthday and I used to have a dog named Dutch okay I'm I'm a Reagan nut I did a Reagan documentary back 30 years ago I mean I love Ronald Reagan I had to move Donald Trump in front of Ronald Reagan on my list the best press I'm let's like a club that's a weird moment man I'm in that club it is it is remarkable and the people around him I mean you've got people there we've got pastry and one of them could be presidents oh my goodness it's unreal some have said I know if it's true or not you might know some have said that this is the strongest cabinet in American history I I would say that I would I would agree with that absolutely so it's effective there and then and then the fact that the brilliance of having a Democrat like Tulsi Gabbard be the one to bring out the sword and you know I mean literally bring out the gauntlet and throw it down and and call it a treasonous conspiracy the things that she's been uncovering it's a masterful I mean it is an absolutely masterful it is I per I've per firmly personally believe that this is the grace and the workings of God because as savvy as Trump is I had a I'm not going to say a name but there's someone that I know very well who is with him often and the first presidency Trump was in office for four weeks and I was in DC and I asked this gentleman what's it like to be with him and his first thing out of his mouth proved to be prophetic he said what I've learned in four weeks is never play poker with Donald Trump wow you're gonna lose no good look at that okay so now the cool thing so he had his first term then there was this nightmare and then the second term where somebody might say well you know he's a lame duck that's impossible it's impossible because the way that God set it up even if if Trump would have been back to back eight years elected that way people might have labeled him as a lame duck but those four years of Biden's like you said it earlier so amped up Trump fighting for his own freedom fighting for our freedom and he never stopped in those four years of Biden Trump never stopped working the phones and internationally working the global leaders yeah he was always still speaking to them and he remember he was saying when I get back in yeah he was telling them when I get back in remember I'm going to get back in and he kind of put them on notice I'm coming back yeah and then he's back by the grace of God and so now if you think about it Rick as strong as the Republican bench is if if Trump lives his term out or if he were to die today when he's out of the office tell me in the world who's a global leader who holds the command of the world's attention as a leader will it be will it be parliament in England is it Moscow is it Putin no think about it Trump is the undisputed global leader of the world right now and you can just see what his success has been with NATO and others yeah but to me that's both great and scary at the same time right right but we are watching someone who we'll we'll never see this again I don't not in our lifetime for sure and and the difference in and even you you watch him and you listen to the things he's saying and in the first term you could tell that his legacy was at the top of his list like how he was viewed yeah right and then during that four years of just hell on earth that the world had to go through that interview with I can't remember who it was if it was Hannity or so I can't remember who it was but he's he's in this interview and that no it's Tucker he was when he was being interviewed by Tucker Carlson and he said these people hate America and you could see the resignation in his eyes because remember how he didn't go after Hillary and and and it was locker up locker up 2016 and then in 2017 when he got sworn in they're in the rotunda he bragged on Bill and Hillary said nice they tried to make peace and and didn't go after him I think you really believe that all of the all the sniping at each other was just the campaign and everybody really does love America and wants to show me yeah well well are going to pull together for the country right and then he found out no these people really want to sink this ship and so I think that resignation and realizing that made him no longer care so much about the legacy I really have to save the country I really have to save America and by so doing say freedom for people all over the planet and you see it in his actions even even when he was I think it was right after the meeting with Putin he said he said something to the effect of Hannity or two Hannity said something to the effect of it's not about me it's not about whether or not I can bring peace this is about saving millions of lives you didn't he didn't used to say stuff like that right there's just and I don't know I don't know what his faith journey is I don't know how much that moment I think he is to when he went down when he got up and and had that you know the the the hole in his ear and the blood coming out of his ear and I was like some event and everybody's watch get on to you you know and I'm watching that click pull that clip out instantly I thought will approve George Washington 23 years old Balaman Agahela up in Pennsylvania multiple multiple multiple multiple horses shot out bullets in the in the jacket bullets fragments in his hair and then he writes a letter to his brother the next day and says bullets were flying past my ear and it sounded like music he loved it he loved it he had the and Trump got up five I mean the war horse right that's a war horse that only God can use those are moments in fact you know this that a lot of Democrats said in that moment he's going to be pretty yeah it's over it's over it's over it's over yeah wow yeah that's that and only God can only God I would do I want a lot of shows with with a lot of different people of all kinds of Christian faith right and sometimes it's people that are I'm pretty charismatic guy but even more charismatic than me that's the only way I'm saying right and a lot of times there's prophecies and that sort of thing right and I'm and I'm always I'm a little bit skeptical I'm just always like okay guy I want to know it's you right yeah yeah absolutely and so when people would say you know Trump's anointed Trump's anointed I I never would echo that I would always be like I just don't know if I so agree when that happened and he got up and then I started learning more about the where the slide normally is and where he you know they show the computer in the head I'm like okay God he's anointed I mean no only you could have made that happen no one you'd have to be an absolute atheist on steroids to say man you know that was just luck luck luck yeah no no it's just yeah I don't buy that I mean even if somebody said okay here's a deal I really want to be president I think it's going to take an attempt on my life so can you lay down on that barn and just yeah just just crazy yeah just yeah take out a few come on just just amazing um but uh you know that moments I don't know if you I don't if I told you this or not but that happened that happened on a Saturday if I remember right by the way only about 30 minutes from where the Washington battle the mananga elabit so Butler Prince of anus right out there I didn't know there's no one's ever said yeah really close to where where Washington's better know this I don't know I don't know right there yeah outside of Pittsburgh so sorry I don't know so so that that happened I think wasn't it a Saturday I think it was yeah yeah yeah so I came home from church on Sunday so Saturday Trump is shot I come home from church on Sunday and my phone rings and uh it's one of Trump's advisors and they said I'm gonna give you Trump's cell number oh wow I'm gonna I'm asking you to call him right now wow and I want you I want you to pray for him and I said hang on a second you're gonna give me Trump's number and and he's gonna pick up the phone uh yeah come on and he said and listen he said he's gonna answer wow he will answer the phone I said okay so I called on Monday morning so it was about it was about six a.m. Pacific time so nine a.m. Eastern time I dial a number and the the phone I hear this hello and all you could hear people talking it sound like it sounded like he was at like uh like a ballroom event or something just lots of noise all this kind of stuff and he was hello and I said Mr. President and he said yes I said you don't know who I am we've met before that's not the point but I was given your number to pray for you can I pray for you yes of course wow I pray for him and in the prayer I say Lord the next time America the next time the world sees Donald Trump on his knees may it be before you're thrown in glory and bowing the need to Jesus as Lord because the world has seen him on his knees having been shot so Lord please and I said amen he said amen I'm in a meeting let's talk again wow and the only thing since that time has been text yeah but the point is this um it it immediately had hit me that famous picture where he's on his knees his his he's between the legs of that super secret service agent the blood's coming down and um you know what what a moment we're an American president because you know Putin saw that all the world leaders saw that they're watching that how's he gonna handle this and I would have normally been critical of him standing up and saying fight fight fight I I wasn't instantly I wasn't there was this move that we all experienced internally where that's an American yeah that is an American man that's what got Elon Musk involved remember he said he said when I saw that I knew that's a guy that's gonna get things done that's right you know and uh you know so even that going back to our our discussion about bringing back the principles if you notice the libertarians and some of the leftists I mean you know Joe Rogan and Elon Musk both called themselves leftists three years ago um but they have I think they have seen enough of the pain and the libertarian wing has kind of seen the everybody do whatever feels good turn into we don't know what a woman is and total chaos and they're starting to come over and say you know what there's good I mean even Rogan's phrase what was it he said I'd I'd rather have Jesus in the big bang or I choose Jesus instead of the big bang so he's on a spiritual journey yeah you know my friend Adam Curry I don't know if you know Adam or not he's the pod father guy they invented the podcast and he goes to our church in Fredericksburg Rogan's the one the nickname man and anyway he's a baby Christian you know three years into his his faith and just incredibly says I'm a Jesus freak now and so he's been on Rogan like four times so he went on in February and he handed him the founders Bible because he'd just gone through our class biblical please get the founders Bible folks yeah oh it's so good and so he gave it to Rogan he said now there's a Bible but it's also got a lot of cool history history stories that you'll like and he then he told him about the monument to the four fathers that you know Kirk Cameron found and we did that in our business class and so anyway apparently he's you know going to church in a place in Austin so I just bring that as an example to say those are big names now Elon's what he calls himself a cultural Christian so he's more of a Franklin that just says hey you Christians made good citizens yeah I'd like to see more of you Joe I think is on on a I think he could you know really be I think the Lord is really um luring Hillman let's just put it that way but I those are big names that's happening all over the country there's millions of people I mean you know the harvest is plenty the workers refuse the revival that's already here's amazing and that's eventually going to impact the politics of the country if we disciple but we've got to disciple we can't just get him to walk the aisle and that's what you're doing we've got to disciple that's what you're doing and I love the fact that you do not see a separation of church and state right kind of kind of riff on that for for a bit this this is I call it a CNN revisionism right where hey knock yourself out on your faith just keep it in the four walls of your church yeah but we're over here in the real world where things happen and God says no no no and not only got the founding father said no I mean even Jefferson didn't mean what people think he meant by wall of separation church or state if he did he violated it the next day when he went to church at the capital on federal property and that's not Rick's opinion I mean he just spurred that out and you might be saying oh that's Rick's opinion wait a minute isn't it Jefferson like you said a moment ago wasn't the the first real mega church right there in the capital and the U.S. Capitol while Jefferson was president if I remember right you know you're right you're right and he had helped start it because he was vice president whenever under Adams under and so he's president of the Senate and so he had to sign off on them starting to hold the church services there call for the Marine Corps band yes yes exactly exactly and the guy that he went to hear speak was his friend John Leland who was a preacher from Virginia and he said Christianity is the best religion so I need to give it sanction from the president of the United States because we want more people to live like this so anyway that was that's Jefferson himself but even just think about it even if even if Jefferson did want quote unquote separation of church state you Christian even if he which is not what he wanted that we didn't believe that at all but even if all the lies are true just think logically about this as a Christian nobody drives away from one of your sermons on being a good husband and a good father or good mother and good wife and on the way home say man Jack was on fire I was a good sermon which we could use it at home but you know separation of home and church there you go no way why you don't say a good sermon on how to be a good employee or good employee or good working you don't drive away so you know I wish I could use that tomorrow at work but separation working true why in the world do we separate anything from church God's supposed to influence everything in our life and be God over everything in our in our life but the leftist crafty man Satan's crafty I mean that was a lie that a lot a lot allowed us to really neuter truly most of the church in America I mean we are in the minority within the even you know not just evangelical but the overall church in America with actually believing that our faith should influence even our politics my God that's got to change man and it is changing we're we're starting to win people over but anyway that's my take on separation church estate well I have to say this I wasn't planning on saying this but because of you and David Martin what you guys have poured into my life over the years I have to tell you what happened this week so this week I I had to I wound up giving a four hour deposition wow regarding a case and I was a witness and so the defense attorney I was I was on the plaintiff's side so the defense attorney from this pharmaceutical corporation said to me I've reviewed your social media I've reviewed your your history is it true that you teach your people to get involved in politics and I said yes but it's greater than that what do you mean greater than that I said it's not that it's just politics I said the Christian is to be involved in everything and and he said well aren't you aware of the separation of churches state and I said because this guy's a big deal this attorney yeah I mean I don't know him but the I'm not going to mention the name of the corporation that hires him he's he can't be a fly-by-night attorney he's got to be a big deal and I said I I actually think you know that the first amendment says this and he said yes you are correct he said have you ever have you ever committed a felony and I said no I haven't and he goes are you sure I'm going to ask you again have you ever committed a felony I want to remind you you're under oath and I'm thinking what is this guy talking about and I said no and he said did you not on such and such a date say that what I'm about to do is against the law huh but I'm encouraging everyone to be pro-life and to vote for Steve Garvey for senator running against Adam Schiff in California and in fact did you not walk out in front of the podium acknowledging that it's against the law from behind this this podium to do that so you stepped in front of the podium he was exactly right and I said yes I did and he said isn't that committing a felony and I said well I said to be honest with you I've been doing that ever since I got hooked up with a bunch of guys called the black robe regimen and I said we deliberately do that every year to challenge the Johnson amendment yeah and you know what he did this is it this is what he did he went like this he he goes he's smile he was from Houston huh he smiled and he just gave a nod it was the most but he I can tell he approved wow but it was weird when he was leading on and I thought that was your influence and your influence in my life of course as you know the IRS has now settled that deal that you guys can absolutely do that and it's so funny I thought much the same way you can need to call Rick Green and David Barton you probably felt the same way when he asked it you're like I am so loaded for bear on this you know like please ask me this question and yes I was doing an interview oh I don't know two weeks ago with some hostile media let's just say yes sure and uh and they got and they started asking those types of questions and I mean I learned I was like hold my beer you know or hold my sparkling water whatever I was like it was just I think God's prepared us for this bro we've been doing this you know you David Tony Perkins I mean all these guys for 25 years we've been prepared truly this battle right now and you feel like don't you feel it don't you know and that's like with the 250 is like he literally like brought all this together so that in this moment and I don't know if you've noticed how much President Trump in the White House the stuff on the 250th is all faith based they are they've asked for every faith story we can possibly give them I mean they're willing to highlight everything all the good stuff I'm uh I'm super happy to be I'm going to be on the fourth I think it's the fourth of July um but I'm at uh Plymouth at the Mayflower on that day given a message oh that's great and all of this stuff that's being I don't know who's sending this this stuff up man across the nation I mean 2026 we're asking for we've got a we've got a new course out called rebuilding liberty and it uses a little bit of the stuff we did with you and biblical citizenship and other folks too but it's it's lit we're shooting for 5,000 celebrations all over the country so that's one fourth of the communities in America we're not even getting trying to get all of them to and and literally in the celebration on July 4th to get up and read the Declaration of Independence read those words we're endowed by our creator with certain things you know and then and have a big blown up on where you have everybody come forward and signing that's what we do at all our trainings we have people signed the Declaration of Independence so I think it's going to be huge the president the the White House is helping a lot there's all these organizations we're hoping to partner with a hundred different organizations all the family policy councils all the groups out there like that to use this four week course because it's not enough to have fireworks that are going to fix right it's not enough to just have hot dogs we need between now and then that when I say the only reason I know it's you know little over 300 days I'm counting down because that's our that's our window to educate Americans on why they're waving the flag on July 4th right so you're going to be in a that's going to be a great place so I wish I don't have enough pull maybe you do I would I would love to be at the White House for the UFC fights that's what I was hoping for but no we're gonna at the campus of Patriot Academy we're building Independence Hall so we're rebuilding we're gonna be a replica and I'm hoping I'm cutting the ribbon on July 4th but anyway that the beauty is every community in America is going to be doing something yeah so everybody out there watching whatever's going on in your community get involved in those things so you can influence what's going to be said that day and the types of things they're going to do that's a good word what if somebody watching right now they're not sure if their community's planning yes all man they go to the city council meeting yes 100% and and I hate to be a self-promoter here but no no go to patreon academy.com sign up for the rebuild Liberty class I've got a book coming out in just about a month called a blueprint for rebuilding Liberty just in time for America's 250th and it'll walk you through how to do that how how do you get plugged in with the right groups in your community to be a part of the celebration when's the book coming out about a month hopefully constitution day September 17 is it available pre-sale right now it's not so if I send you to my if you go there now I'm going to be in trouble with my team but you can wait yes okay fine but what's the name of the book rebuilding Liberty a blueprint for rebuilding Liberty a blueprint for rebuilding Liberty just in time for America's 250th it's not on pre-order yet right is it when we'll hit the shelves the best thing to do is go to patreon academy.com and sign up for the email list and then you'll get a notice when it's ready please do that yeah everybody and it's a lot more than just doing the celebrations it's it's getting the 10 commandments in your local school or at your local courthouse it's getting in god we trust on the diocese it's it's it's restoring parental rights it's restoring property rights we've got a I'm not kidding when I say it's a 12-step recovery program for the country but you don't have to do all 12 like you do your personal 12-step you just got to pick one or two but everybody can do something that's the thing you got to give people action right now in this window if we do this right Jack we can rebuild actually rebuild the walls you know I told David the other day I said man I thought I've been with you 25 years I thought we were rebuilding the walls we haven't been we've been stuck in chapter two of Nehemiah convincing the king to let us rebuild but now the king we the people the king has said go rebuild and so now we get to put the right bricks in place the right mortar it's all there man that's what I mean when I say he's prepared us for this moment all the stuff you've been teaching all these years now is the time for the literally the apex of this part this is of being a good biblical citizen Rick will you promise to come back when the book is I love to yeah yeah man let's get that book out there let's get it to be a bestseller we're gonna also make sure that we make it an item of the month on our various platforms and yeah we'll get we'll get that out it'll give people things to do even if they don't kick in until say January but start now because you know another thing you people can do is constitution day every school is supposed to do something on the constitution it's federal law if they take any federal money they're supposed to study the constitution that day but we have a little 45 minute class on the constitution that you can it's free take it into the school and take it say to the teacher or the principal if you haven't had time to put anything together this federal law you're supposed to do it and get them to do that class and it's going to be teaching them the declaration and we hold these truths and all that and that's picture academy.com too please take advantage of this everybody I didn't know that so whatever hamlet town village or city you're in school districts pull that off this is a great great way to end this podcast where you've got marching orders now and so where can people watch you where can people hear you the youtube where what Facebook what if you go to patreon academy.com you can link right into patreon you that's our our very small streaming channel but it's where you get I do a show called the tavern because I love all the revolutionary war taverns and it's it's a restaurant it's not a bar just for all my friends they're worried the greatest better plans were planned in taverns oh man the constitution was ratified in a tavern in Delaware the first state the first one to ratify anyway so I do a show once a week called the tavern we're just kind of like this and I like what you said I think people enjoy this this is more fun than any media that we do because we just get to go man we just get a retro conversation it feels like y'all are with us anyway that's how the tavern is and then and then I do wall builders radio every day of the week so all that you can find it patreon you.com or patreon academy.com yep you guys patreon academy.com rick green I love this guy by god's grace were welded hip and heart and I just love that so we've got a lot to do we've got our nation's 250th birthday coming up but we need to fight even now with all that's going on in our communities we need to stand strong and so we'll have rick back and once again the book is going to be in about a month yes we're right right after constitution day we're so close we're doing the final edits and hopefully it'll be maybe back constitution day september 17 by the end of september for sure by the end of september for sure we'll make sure we're going to be reminding you guys but Rick it's it's just always great to have you we just don't have you a lot of deals with you anytime brother did you guys ever make it to all the baseball stadiums I got two left brother I got two left yeah middle I got Minnesota and Milwaukee those are the two I haven't done so awesome awesome god bless you guys until next time thanks this jack hips podcast as well as all the broadcast outreach opportunities are listener supported will you consider partnering with us through a special gift go to jackhibbs.com to learn more and stay connected